Jefferson Davis monument in Fairview, Kentucky. I am also ashamed to say that we have large confederate flag flying off of I-24 in Reidland in McCracken County.
Settle this for me...is Kentucky considered the south or not?
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Jefferson Davis monument in Fairview, Kentucky. I am also ashamed to say that we have large confederate flag flying off of I-24 in Reidland in McCracken County.
With our history, I ve always seen us as a southern state.
Todd County has the Jefferson Davis Hotel
The capital buidling in Frankfort has a giant Jefferson Davis statute in the state room
Downtown Louisville has a daughters of the confederate statue.
They are scattered throughout the state.
Todd County has the Jefferson Davis Hotel
The capital buidling in Frankfort has a giant Jefferson Davis statute in the state room
Downtown Louisville has a daughters of the confederate statue.
They are scattered throughout the state.
My parents & grandparents were from TN & MS, they considered KY to be more northern than southern.
I live in Iowa. People from Iowa consider KY part of the south.
I think it is a mix of moutain, southern and mid-western. KY has some distinct regions.
I like to think of Kentucky as leaning north, just to ease my conscience some. Lincoln was born here, and Grant had some major river victories on this end of the state.
He did. Her name is Adrian.Originally posted by fuzz77:
I'm sure all of the rednecks in Madisonville take offense to being called Hoosiers. Beavis must of had a girlfriend from Hopkins county that left him out in the cold.Originally posted by Beavis606:
Kentucky is fought for the United States of America during the Civil War. Unfortunately, there were a lot of traitors from Kentucky who fought against our great nation.Originally posted by -LEK-:
I'll just put this here...
This man speaks the truth. Grew up in Tennessee. Kin scattered from Chicago to Atlanta. Live in South Carolina. Last time I went to N'Awlins, my(now ex) wife and I had lunch in Hattiesburg, MS. I couldn't understand one word our waitress said. I thought Creole and Gullah were hard to understand...rural Mississippian is worse. Thank goodness the wife could make out enough words to actually order real food. If I did, we would have ended up with boiled mop heads with dishwater as our drinks!
My cousins in Louisville call cold drinks 'pop'. That makes them non-Southern. If other places in Kentucky do the same, they ain't Southern either.
And we have mountain folk in South Carolina too. Not a lot of difference between Walhalla, SC and Hazard, KY.
Kentucky is a southern state, historically it is, and culturally it is. There isn't a lick of difference between Kentucky and Tennessee outside of Memphis, which is basically Mississippi. Hell, the Eastern part of Tennessee wanted to form a new state because they didn't want secede, are they southern?
Theres approx 50 Confederate Monuments in KY, approx 7 Union monuments, take it for what its worth.
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Monuments in KY
Theres approx 50 Confederate Monuments in KY, approx 7 Union monuments, take it for what its worth.
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Monuments in KY
Kentucky has always been traditionally a Southern state. Due to political correctness, the younger people have tried to push us away from the South and toward the midwest.
Louisville used to have a great big sign when crossing from Indiana that said "Welcome to Louisville, Gateway to the South". And only 4-5 years ago, Shepardsville, in Bullitt Co. took down the sign that said "where the real South begins". Again, political correctness run amok.
Louisville used to really play up the Southern angle of the Derby. Even had pretty girls dressed up as Southern Belles at the airport. I don't know if they still do that or not.
And just a couple years ago, there was a reality series, Southern Belles of Louisville. So, someone thinks we're still part of the South whether the politically correct crowd likes it or not.
Louisville used to have a great big sign when crossing from Indiana that said "Welcome to Louisville, Gateway to the South". And only 4-5 years ago, Shepardsville, in Bullitt Co. took down the sign that said "where the real South begins". Again, political correctness run amok.
Louisville used to really play up the Southern angle of the Derby. Even had pretty girls dressed up as Southern Belles at the airport. I don't know if they still do that or not.
And just a couple years ago, there was a reality series, Southern Belles of Louisville. So, someone thinks we're still part of the South whether the politically correct crowd likes it or not.
Ymmot, I meant in the entire war the union lost more troops. It's the only war the United States lost more soldiers than its enemy.
Kentucky couldnt participate in the "American Civil War" because they were too busy involved in a "Kentucky Civil War". By the time the residents got done fighting themselves and the politicians were done bickering about which "cause" the state would support, the damn war was over.
Alot of confederate monuments and such across the state but there was 6 to 1 union infantry battalions in the state with most of those wanting to support the confederacy leaving for border seceded states like Tennessee.
congrats to the Grandpa who fought in the Civil war for living to be over 140 years old!
Southern Redneck = Northern Yankee, who is just as ignorant.
and last...I would consider any state that has "grits" on the menu as Southern and specifically "shrimp and grits"
Alot of confederate monuments and such across the state but there was 6 to 1 union infantry battalions in the state with most of those wanting to support the confederacy leaving for border seceded states like Tennessee.
congrats to the Grandpa who fought in the Civil war for living to be over 140 years old!
Southern Redneck = Northern Yankee, who is just as ignorant.
and last...I would consider any state that has "grits" on the menu as Southern and specifically "shrimp and grits"
I don't really like seeing Kentucky portrayed as being a redneck state. It's more of a hayseed state - more simple than mean, IMO. If the state had had that mean neck aggression it probably would have joined the Confederacy. Kentuckians have a great quality of minding their own business, and not paying very much attention to what others around them are doing.
There is a world of difference between KY and Indiana especially northern Indiana. I so miss our KY hospitality. Indiana people are just polite (except for when driving), not friendly and they have no clue what food to serve at a eatin meetin. Hoosier hospitality is an oxymoron.
Jefferson Davis Monument is in Christian County. McLean County had the Battle of Sacramento as one of the few battles to be won by the south. Have no idea about the Eastern part, but they probably went union as harder to farm in the mountains and proximity to DC. Lexington is more southern than Louisville.
Culturally we are more southern.
What I'd like to know is why in the world did the Midwest stay called the Midwest once we settled way west? Why is it still the midwest when it really isn't? It is more northern middle. I believe that the midpoint of the states runs through Kansas.
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Would the general consensus be that the darker areas of the below map have a more Southern feel that the lighter areas?
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/weeklynews/feb11/cw-map1.jpg
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http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/weeklynews/feb11/cw-map1.jpg
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I can't speak too much to the eastern part of the state but from 1861 thru 1863, Grant set up a base of operations at Cairo,Illinois and used the Tennessee and Cumberland rivers to ferry supplies, soldiers and gunboats thru Kentucky and into Tennessee.
Paducah, Smithland, Lexington and Fayette county were occupied by Union forces who cleared the land of any resources made available to them - livestock, weapons, raw materials, food, clothing and housing. Many of Grants troops were undisciplined and were uncontrollable in their actions. Coupled that with a decree from Sherman, General Garth and a handful of others that basically said anyone suspected of guerilla tactics (bushwhacking) against Union Forces are to be shot on site, and their families can be imprisoned, land and possessions confiscated and its easy to see why people in the Kentucky sided with Confederates. There are multiple instances of innocent Kentuckians being tortured or executed for being caught with a hunting rifle on their own land, wealthy landowners being tortured to give up money and women, both white and black raped.
To make matters worse, pro-union guerrilla fighters moved into the area - a loose knit affiliation to the Union Army, they were mercenaries who killed and looted for gain - oddly enough, they were called "Jayhawkers" by Kentuckians.
Former Governor Charles Morehead, at the start of the Union occupation of Kentucky was accused of disloyalty and imprisoned early on without any formal charges being brought against him (Guantanamo?) and released a year after. He fled to Canada to avoid any additional charges as he had established strong confederate ties and sympathies while in office, stemming from his public chiding of the Kentucky Secretary of State decision to cut off trade with Southern states
Also Harriett Beecher Stowe wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin, or at least was inspired to write it while living in Cincinnati and meeting slaves escaping via the underground railroad thru Kentucky. More importantly, she based some of her inspiration on attending a slave sale in Mason County (Maysville). Slave sales weren't unique to the South however.
As a side note , those stone fences you see dotting the countryside in Central and Eastern Kentucky were not built by slaves but most likely Irish stonemasons. Its a common belief that slave labor built those fences.
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Paducah, Smithland, Lexington and Fayette county were occupied by Union forces who cleared the land of any resources made available to them - livestock, weapons, raw materials, food, clothing and housing. Many of Grants troops were undisciplined and were uncontrollable in their actions. Coupled that with a decree from Sherman, General Garth and a handful of others that basically said anyone suspected of guerilla tactics (bushwhacking) against Union Forces are to be shot on site, and their families can be imprisoned, land and possessions confiscated and its easy to see why people in the Kentucky sided with Confederates. There are multiple instances of innocent Kentuckians being tortured or executed for being caught with a hunting rifle on their own land, wealthy landowners being tortured to give up money and women, both white and black raped.
To make matters worse, pro-union guerrilla fighters moved into the area - a loose knit affiliation to the Union Army, they were mercenaries who killed and looted for gain - oddly enough, they were called "Jayhawkers" by Kentuckians.
Former Governor Charles Morehead, at the start of the Union occupation of Kentucky was accused of disloyalty and imprisoned early on without any formal charges being brought against him (Guantanamo?) and released a year after. He fled to Canada to avoid any additional charges as he had established strong confederate ties and sympathies while in office, stemming from his public chiding of the Kentucky Secretary of State decision to cut off trade with Southern states
Also Harriett Beecher Stowe wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin, or at least was inspired to write it while living in Cincinnati and meeting slaves escaping via the underground railroad thru Kentucky. More importantly, she based some of her inspiration on attending a slave sale in Mason County (Maysville). Slave sales weren't unique to the South however.
As a side note , those stone fences you see dotting the countryside in Central and Eastern Kentucky were not built by slaves but most likely Irish stonemasons. Its a common belief that slave labor built those fences.
This post was edited on 2/1 5:33 PM by TankedCat
After looking at the map of 1860 in this thread, and seeing how one the highest slave populations in the state was in the bluegrass region. I'd be willing to bet slave labor played a large part in building those stone fences. I'm sure there was stone masons involved, but to say slave labor wasnt used is probably a way for the locals to whitewash one of that areas historic attractions.
If the Midwest is Mexico, and the South is America, then Kentucky is Texas.
It's Southern, but with some Midwestern influences.
It's Southern, but with some Midwestern influences.
I'm a native who grew up there so I have an opinion. You argue because there are cases to made for both. It's that simple really. There is no right, and no wrong. Parts of the state definitely feel Southern, other's Midwestern. It depends on where your from, and where you spend the most time as well as your family. It extends well beyond Kentucky. I know and have talked to many people who've spent little or no time there. Some say it's Southern, other's Midwestern. Then there's Eastern Kentucky a place I know just a bit about. It's sort of it's own world really, but to me it had more of a Southern feel. That of course has to do with my parents. Bottom line, in general I think of it as Midwestern, but if someone ask I always tell them both sides.
Honestly, I kind of like that it's not easily categorized. OTOH, the South doesn't really want to claim it, and neither does the Midwest. So it's an island if you will. Unique. I like that. More than anything I think it's a rural, small town state. Sure, more people live in Louisville and Lexington than the rest of the state combined, but when you look at it geographically it's a state of small towns, and rural living. Lot's of small towns, and lots of counties. Any of us up grew there I'm sure recall memorizing all 120. There are so many that to this day someone on these boards will mention a county or small down, and I have sit and think about where it is. I usually remember, but not always.
Honestly, I kind of like that it's not easily categorized. OTOH, the South doesn't really want to claim it, and neither does the Midwest. So it's an island if you will. Unique. I like that. More than anything I think it's a rural, small town state. Sure, more people live in Louisville and Lexington than the rest of the state combined, but when you look at it geographically it's a state of small towns, and rural living. Lot's of small towns, and lots of counties. Any of us up grew there I'm sure recall memorizing all 120. There are so many that to this day someone on these boards will mention a county or small down, and I have sit and think about where it is. I usually remember, but not always.
I've lived in other states and people from elsewhere totally say Kentucky is southern. Plus there are plenty of hee haw sounding accents in Kentucky.
And why, exactly, should we value the opinion of a bunch of people who probably have never been here and base their entire opinion on the media narrative of Kentucky? Yes, the media narrative of Kentucky is that it is a southern state. We are portrayed as if we are Alabama or Mississippi, but anyone who has ever been to rural Mississippi knows the difference. I've lived in Kentucky most of my life, but I've also been to all fifty states. Until I went south of our border border I'd never seen grits.
Eastern Kentucky is more similar to West Virginia (south?) and western Pennsylvania (definitely not south) but there is definitely some of what people consider southern there, including primarily the accent. The rest of that "culture" exists elsewhere, and is probably due more to the coal mining territory than any connection to the "south". It's also strongly Dixiecrat territory.
Northern Kentucky is undeniably Midwestern.
Lexington is a mix of southern and Midwest, due in part to the constant influx from areas south and east of it as kids move from rural Kentucky to "the city" for college.
Louisville is a Midwestern city that pretend to be southern when they think it will benefit them.
Areas south of a line that extends from Madisonville to Pikeville (with exceptions) would mostly identify with and be identified by others as southern.
It's the truth! I grew up eating cornbread and soup beans. Breakfast was biscuits and gravy with bacon and fried eggs. Sometimes it was just cornbread from the day before mashed up in milk. Grits? I first had them on the drive south as we moved to Texas when I was 8. Probably somewhere in Mississippi.Originally posted by Mashburned:
In EKY, grits just aren't on the menu. Theyre starting to come around on menus in Lexington. Theyre on almost all the menus in Louisville.Originally posted by Seth C:
It's the truth! I grew up eating cornbread and soup beans. Breakfast was biscuits and gravy with bacon and fried eggs. Sometimes it was just cornbread from the day before mashed up in milk. Grits? I first had them on the drive south as we moved to Texas when I was 8. Probably somewhere in Mississippi.Originally posted by Mashburned:
Yup. And mostly at all the "fancy" breakfast places. It's somehow come to be seen as a food hearkening back to the age of the southern dignitary.Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:
In EKY, grits just aren't on the menu. Theyre starting to come around on menus in Lexington. Theyre on almost all the menus in Louisville.Originally posted by Seth C:
It's the truth! I grew up eating cornbread and soup beans. Breakfast was biscuits and gravy with bacon and fried eggs. Sometimes it was just cornbread from the day before mashed up in milk. Grits? I first had them on the drive south as we moved to Texas when I was 8. Probably somewhere in Mississippi.Originally posted by Mashburned: