but you have to use Kamario more. And that OT drive - I felt like I was watching Tyson Lee vs LSU in 2009.
Shapen is the best QB to run our offense right now...
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I'm fine with using Kamario more, but please don't make him run the ball EVERY time. Mix it up - make them guess a little bit.
I agree on mixing it up as well.
KT should have been in on those last 2 plays… just run the option
Yeah. 1st and goal from the 5, he needs to be your QB.
I thought we should have used KT on 2nd and goal.
The best QB at MSU is always the back up, unless the starter is Dak. That's been our mantra for my 50+ years as a fan.
When we’re inside the 10, put Kamario in.
it ain’t that hard.
it ain’t that hard.
I do think it would have been worth a shot to try a Kamario play on 2nd or 3rd down and goal in OT. Hindsight is 20/20, though. But the combo of OL injuries and UT making adjustments to stop our traditional running game were evident late in the game.
When Kamario comes in, everyone knows what's about to happen. They need to get him a couple of more plays to mix in
People keep saying that. But we’ve never seen him try to read an SEC defense before. I suspect there’s a reason he’s not throwing the ball in those situations. He’s not ready to do what a lot of yall want him to do right now.
Neither could Tim Tebow his freshman year but it worked.
You’d figure SEC Coaches would just know and realize that. They HAVE to build in packages for him to utilize his ability. It’s just a no-brainer. If you have a Freak…let him loose. You need a run threat at QB in the SEC. We don’t have 5 * at WR or TE. You have to have another option. TN didn’t give a 17 about Shapen taking off.
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I don't want him opening up the playbook but he needs to have an option to hand off to Fluff or pitch it out maybe a short dump off to a running back when the defense keys on him
I don't think anybody in this thread said anything about him being "the best" QB at MSU. The thread is about expanding his role when he's in there instead of running him every damn play
Expanding his role while in there …. Couldn’t have said it better.
Shapen struggles to process quickly
Doesn't matter.
O-Line going forward (at the tackles) will not be good enough to beat an SEC team.
O-Line going forward (at the tackles) will not be good enough to beat an SEC team.
Nobody has really stopped him running which is what makes it so good. When you have plays that get positive yardage even when teams know it’s coming there is no need to over complicate it
You're right the shear athleticism of that run by Shapen from the 5 in OT was hesimanesque, actually every time he ran the ball***
That 3rd down play - Evans was wide open but Shapen decided to tuck it.
Traore was open on 4th.
Sometimes I feel like Shapen thinks he can get yardage running through defenders. He can’t.
Traore was open on 4th.
Sometimes I feel like Shapen thinks he can get yardage running through defenders. He can’t.
Tebow might, just might, have had better players at every position than we do which might have helped him overcome his inexperience just a little bit.
When you are inside the 10 yard line the field is short so your vision is focused on quick runs or throws. Also, with him in the game it opens or spreads the defense more. Crazy not to play him in certain situation even early in the game.
One of difference from Tenn us is they had a 6"5" All American WR when their QB got in trouble all he had to know is where he was and throw the ball his way higher than anyone else could jump.
Shapen is definitely better than Aguilar. We definitely could use a brassel receiver. I just got pissed several times we knew it was coming to him and still didn't stop it
Shapen’s ability to pass is what opens up the run game. If we “expand Kamario’s role”, that takes away from that progressive run development. So if we do it, we’re going to need to stick with him for a while and let him throw (and hopefully succeed doing it) to get those things on film so teams have to defend it.
If we don’t, well, every team will shut it down like last night.
This is why there were so many run lanes in Leach’s offense - the throw game, developed over time - opened them up.
Same thing that MRA has done over the years.
So I will say at least Lebby has that part right. He knows we must have the legitimate long ball threat. Our fans are just obsessed with running QBs.
If we don’t, well, every team will shut it down like last night.
This is why there were so many run lanes in Leach’s offense - the throw game, developed over time - opened them up.
Same thing that MRA has done over the years.
So I will say at least Lebby has that part right. He knows we must have the legitimate long ball threat. Our fans are just obsessed with running QBs.
It's the same old nonsense I've heard my whole life. Be careful what you wish for.
Now that I think about it, he may honestly be the only QB we've had in my lifetime who didn't get booed and have fans calling to bench him.
You might say Sleepy, but he got hurt early.
Our fans just don't understand football. It's the culture I'm always talking about.
We have the best QB we have ever had.. and we will not let Him play. Shapen is an average qb. Dammit-play Kamario. Kamario is at His best when he throws it. Ya'll act like he is just a runner. He can make ever throw in the book. Shapen, hold the ball too long , the receiver has to be wideopen .He sucks when he runs. At least put KT in when we are in the red zone. Fluff and KT in backfield will help or WRs get open. at some point Lebby will go ahead and play KT, hope it is sooner than later.
My guess is that he CAN make every throw in the book, but he likely cannot yet read defenses at the college level well enough to understand coverage pre-snap and make the correct reads to know who he should be throwing it to. Going from MS high school dominance to SEC dominance is not a just add water kind of endeavor. He has potential to be great, but our coaches see what he is capable of every day in practice and are using him where he best fits in right now.
Exactly. He may turn out to be the best we've ever had. But he's not the best on the team right now.
This is true, but he is advanced enough to do more than run 1 play. You have to build in some safe 1 read and go if it isn’t there passes for him or it’s not going to work. The defense has to know that we will at least attempt to throw the football when we are in the game.
I always laugh when a strong 2nd guy is best person claims they were right when the guy does turn out to be great a year later, totally discounting the year of learning that passed between when they first started calling for him and when he actually took over full time duties. Kinda like persistently declaring that the stock market is heading for a downturn/upturn...
