Shaschboy's post is a perfect example of sheep vs logical thinking

[Coach34]

Shaschboy Sheep- "Does anyone feel we could be better next year with Croom?"

Rational thinking- 5 years of this crap says no

Shaschboy Sheep-"But if you look around the SEC west, Ole Miss loses a helluva offensive line. Same with Alabama and a QB. I feel we will be able to hang with LSU next year. We should be a middle of the pack contender"

Rational Thinking- we lose the core of our defense and do you really think our back-ups are as good as the others of the SEC?

Shaschboy Sheep-"We lost to Auburn by 1; Kentucky by 1; a La. Tech game that was an abomination. Had we won 2 of those 3 games, we sit 6-5 going into the Egg Bowl. "

Rational Thinking- And why did we lose those games? Why do we constantly lose games every year under Crooms that we should win? His coaching is costing us these games- if you want to improve, we have to rid ourselves of him and hire a quality coach

Shaschboy Sheep-"The breaks last year just haven't come our way this year. Besides Ga. Tech, we have played competitively in most games. We were in just about every game (except Ga. Tech) and then shot ourselves in the foot with special team screw ups."

Rational Thinking- breaks like that happen once every 5-8 years. We are arent paying Croom to be competitive. We are paying him to win. I could have his job for half the salary, hire good coordinators and coaches...and be competitve. He is supposed to win. After 5 years, if you are hoping that you can compete in year 6- something is very very wrong. You must EXPECT to win by Year 17'ing SIX

Shaschboy Sheep- "This has not been a good year for us at all. If there was a bad break to be found, we found it."

Rational Thinking- Missing a chip shot FG to win is a bad break? Only being able to put a safety on the board to lose a game is a bad break? Having one of the worst offenses in college football for the 5th year in a row is a bad break? Losing to LaTech is a bad break? No, its called ****** coaching and recruiting- and its time to rid ourselves of this

 

[Coach34]

Shaschboy Sheep- "Does anyone feel we could be better next year with Croom?"

Rational thinking- 5 years of this crap says no

Shaschboy Sheep-"But if you look around the SEC west, Ole Miss loses a helluva offensive line. Same with Alabama and a QB. I feel we will be able to hang with LSU next year. We should be a middle of the pack contender"

Rational Thinking- we lose the core of our defense and do you really think our back-ups are as good as the others of the SEC?

Shaschboy Sheep-"We lost to Auburn by 1; Kentucky by 1; a La. Tech game that was an abomination. Had we won 2 of those 3 games, we sit 6-5 going into the Egg Bowl. "

Rational Thinking- And why did we lose those games? Why do we constantly lose games every year under Crooms that we should win? His coaching is costing us these games- if you want to improve, we have to rid ourselves of him and hire a quality coach

Shaschboy Sheep-"The breaks last year just haven't come our way this year. Besides Ga. Tech, we have played competitively in most games. We were in just about every game (except Ga. Tech) and then shot ourselves in the foot with special team screw ups."

Rational Thinking- breaks like that happen once every 5-8 years. We are arent paying Croom to be competitive. We are paying him to win. I could have his job for half the salary, hire good coordinators and coaches...and be competitve. He is supposed to win. After 5 years, if you are hoping that you can compete in year 6- something is very very wrong. You must EXPECT to win by Year 17'ing SIX

Shaschboy Sheep- "This has not been a good year for us at all. If there was a bad break to be found, we found it."

Rational Thinking- Missing a chip shot FG to win is a bad break? Only being able to put a safety on the board to lose a game is a bad break? Having one of the worst offenses in college football for the 5th year in a row is a bad break? Losing to LaTech is a bad break? No, its called ****** coaching and recruiting- and its time to rid ourselves of this

 

[shaschboy]

definitely agree with you on every point. So did we win last year on luck? Absolutely. Bama should have drubbed us but we picked off one and ran it back. My whole point is that we are stuck with Croom for at least another year so deal with it. I know everyone here loved last year, especially the fun night we had in Memphis. Would I love to see a new coach-absolutely! Is it going to happen-NO. I know your feelings about Croom and you've made it quite clear. If you really want to rid MSU of him, then get busy and make something happen. Our University, or should I say, our Alumni is so content with having a mediocre coach. We won't, however, settle for mediocre baseball or basketball program. If we put as much pressure on our football program as we do baseball, then you would see some change. Anyway, face the facts, you got him for another year so look for some positives.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

...comes from within. In other words, I don't look at the rest of the SEC and see how much they are losing to then gauge how much we will improve. I look at what we have coming back, how our players have improved, and what we have proven to be able to do to judge how competitive we will be. If you are counting on our improvement coming from the losses that other teams have, then that tells me you have no confidence in us.

 

[Coach34]

but getting excited about it aint gonna happen...I dont see any positives of him returning next year, and so will Byrne and the administration when they try and sell season tickets

 

[patdog]

I know everyone here loved last year, especially the fun night we had in Memphis.

I knew we were winning with smoke and mirrors and those wins were going to doom us to another 2 years of Crxxm's alleged coaching.

 

[shaschboy]

That only complicates matters. Even worse, what if Croom wins 7+ games next season, then what? I do agree that he's a terrible coach. We shall see after season's end what will become of our program and how Mr. Byrne will deal with his new position.

I actually was happy when Ark. hung 14 on us quickly. I thought that maybe this will help clean house. But then I watched us play football after that, and that my friend is all I've wanted to see. MSU played competitive football being down by 14. If you would have asked me could they do that, I think you know my answer.

I hate being wooly, but I did like some of our performance this weekend. Hell, with a year as bad as this has been, anything looks bright!

 

[Coach34]

i prefer to look at the logical approach of how they will probably beat us by 20...our defense hasnt stopped a decent offense all year, and it wont this coming Saturday

 

[shaschboy]

but what happens if we win. I said I was glad to see Ark. go up by 14. A win this weekend and it makes life alot tougher for the firing squad.

 

[AlCoDog]

I could have his job for half the salary, hire good coordinators and coaches...and be competitve.

Do you honestly believe this? Do you think you could coach Mississippi State?

By the way, I can't stand Croom so I'm not supporting him. I just get the impression that you think you could coach in the SEC.

 

[Coach34]

its just not very likely...they are better than we are upfront, at the skill positions, and on the sidelines- AND its on the road....they are just very likely to beat us by 2 TD's and I think thats a good thing at this point

 

[DowntownDawg]

....after Saturday. Had we lost, it would definitely be a good thing. Since we won, there's no reason to pull against us. Since Croom will be here next year, might as well try to keep this recruiting class in tact.

 

[futaba.79]

Could coach34 make it as an SEC head coach? My gut reaction is no. But let's hear the man speak for himself on this one.

 

[AlCoDog]

The good news is, he would only cost $850,000.

 

[Indndawg]

then start rewarding long-term contracts. Trouble.

I give you 2000 after bama win. Extended the Kang's contract and the rest is history

I give you 2007 after the OM game extended Crooms contract and we get major suckitude.

A long term contract should be a reward for 2 or 3 season consecutively of bowls and winning, not a couple of lucky games.

 

[Coach34]

"Do you honestly believe this? Do you think you could coach Mississippi State?"

I believe I could:

1. Hire a competent OC and offensive coaches
2. Hire a competent DC and defensive coaches
3. Address the media
4. Evaluate talent for recruiting
5. Motivate players and set team rules

And I think I could do this for alot less than 1.7 million a year and easily get the same results, if not better..and there are a helluva lot of other people that could do this as well. In no way I am trying to come off as being someone thats in a select few...

 

[shaschboy]

Coaches rule, especially when they are winning. I don't know if Crooms current contract was publicly viewable, but knowing Byrne, I'm sure he put some goodies to protect MSU. I know Bryne and he's pretty "sly".

 

[shaschboy]

What else needs to be said. I, for one, would like to start a grass roots campaign to get Coach34 the job. Who's with me?

 

[AlCoDog]

So, Yes? That kind of sounds like a yes. The only thing you didn't address was getting it done from the sidelines on gameday, which is pretty much the meat of it as far as I am concerned, and where Croom is weakest. You are right, there are alot of folks that can do the things you mentioned. I am concerned about your ability to hire an OC and DC with the little name recognition, and lack of college experience you have. But hey,throw your name in the hat!

 

[futaba.79]

that men in the coaching profession would come work for you? That when given a choice of programs they'll pick the one headed by a former HS baseball coach turned medical sales rep?

 

[Indndawg]

Care to kiss and tell?

 

[Sutterkane]

Will we be better next year?

I dunno, have we been better in 4 out of the 5 years Croom has been here?

Statistically, absolutely not.

 

[shaschboy]

Just a new version of the albino Walrus.</p>

 

[Indndawg]

Empirical evidence shows Croom will not improve b/c he hasn't done in the past.
Logic dictates MSU should cut their loses and fire him

 

[hatfieldms]

"Do you honestly believe this? Do you think you could coach Mississippi State?"

I believe I could:

1. Hire a competent OC and offensive coaches
2. Hire a competent DC and defensive coaches
3. Address the media
4. Evaluate talent for recruiting
5. Motivate players and set team rules

And I think I could do this for alot less than 1.7 million a year and easily get the same results, if not better..and there are a helluva lot of other people that could do this as well. In no way I am trying to come off as being someone thats in a select few...

If you are good enough to coach SEC ball then why are you not coaching now? There is a reason you failed as a high school coach

 

[Coach34]

I was a head football coach for a couple of year and an OC for 9 years...yes they would...and my first phone call would be to Mark Hudspeth...total offensive control at an SEC school? No way he would turn that down. For what we can pay and the conference we are in, hiring someone wouldnt be that hard.</p>

Good head coaches in college set the plan and then hire people to execute that plan. And if they dont get it done, you do what Jackie did- fire them.</p>

 

[williecunningham]

that men in the coaching profession would come work for you? That when given a choice of programs they'll pick the one headed by a former HS baseball coach turned medical sales rep?

Ouch.

 

[shaschboy]

If someone could give us a little history behind the "##*++$!" tag, it would be greatly appreciated.

Coach, why did you hang it up? Did you get burned out like R.Williams? What type of league did you coach? High School? College? Gray Y?

 

[Coach34]

"Do you honestly believe this? Do you think you could coach Mississippi State?"

I believe I could:

1. Hire a competent OC and offensive coaches
2. Hire a competent DC and defensive coaches
3. Address the media
4. Evaluate talent for recruiting
5. Motivate players and set team rules

And I think I could do this for alot less than 1.7 million a year and easily get the same results, if not better..and there are a helluva lot of other people that could do this as well. In no way I am trying to come off as being someone thats in a select few...

If you are good enough to coach SEC ball then why are you not coaching now? There is a reason you failed as a high school coach

I turned down a GA position in my late 20's coaching RB's. I couldnt take the paycut with a wife and a kid. So, by not accepting a GA position, I took myself out of college coaching.
And there was no failure. I had a good career as a head coach. The thing about coaching in HS, is that you get paid the same for the most part no matter how much you win or how much you lose. I made the same my last season going 28-6 as the guy in our district that went 11-24. Success isnt rewarded on the HS level.
So why am I not coaching now? Because I make 2 1/2 times what I did as a coach while working half as much. I am in a field where you do get rewarded for success. If thats failure, then i'm enjoying the failure

 

[hatfieldms]

I bet SEC coaches make more than you do. If you are so confident you could be an SEC coach then why don't you get back into it?

 

[futaba.79]

when you hit the recruiting trail and Houston Nutt tells prospects your team once called you _________? Are you going to break out your SPED story in a Mama's living room?

 

[ArrowDawg]

Empirical evidence shows Croom will not improve b/c he hasn't done in the past.
Logic dictates MSU should cut their loses and fire him

Since when is MSU logical about anything? Ole Miss hires a coach who wins at least 7 games his first year with a team coming off several consecutive losing seasons. MSU will hold on to a guy who took four years to have a fluke winning season and basically hasn't done **** overall in his five years. That in a nutshell is the difference between MSU snd Ole Miss. Both have similar limitations, but one acts like they want to win and the other doesn't. I'm sure you can guess which is which.

 

[Coach34]

when you hit the recruiting trail and Houston Nutt tells prospects your team once called you _________? Are you going to break out your SPED story in a Mama's living room?

i'll just tell them that Coach Nutt tells recruits that because I slept with his wife and move on...

 

[Todd4State]

is paying Bobby Hall pretty well. I think he's also the the AD to, so maybe apples and oranges (just saying).

It was well known throughout Madison that Mike Justice was making 6 figures, though. I bet the HC at Greenville-Weston doesn't make that.

 

[Coach34]

and they are the cream of Mississippi football. You think any other districts can pay that big besides Madison or Desoto?

 

[The Big Slick]

I give you 2000 after bama win. Extended the Kang's contract and the rest is history

A long term contract should be a reward for 2 or 3 season consecutively of bowls and winning, not a couple of lucky games.

That's exactly was exactly the case in extending Jackie's contract. We had just clinched a 4th straight winning season, a 3rd straight bowl game, and at that point were still in the hunt for West. If you will remember, Bama was getting ready to hire a coach and Jackie's name was being tossed around. I would hardly consider it a case of us getting to emotional. Who could have predicted what was about to happen over the next 3 years?

 

[futaba.79]

of you prancing around at various public appearances, there will be questions.

 

[Coach34]

I dont prance...this thing has taken quite the "Old West" type of legend, thats for sure...aGAIN, you're quite mistaken

 

[josebrown]

we couldn't pay some nobody a shitload less money than crooms and get the same results? It appears we aren't too concerned about winning right now. crooms salary is in the top 30 or so and we absolutely suck. We are one of the poorest coached teams I have ever seen. From all aspects of the game.

If we were serious about winning I would think that Byrne would keep his trap shut until some point not so long after the Egg Bowl and shitcan this entire staff and hire a good football coach. Or just shitcan the whole thing, pay some nobody a few hundred thousand to get the same results, build that basketball practice facility and anything else Cohen and Stansbury wants and try to win championships in other sports.

 

[Todd4State]

actually I wondered because I used to teach myself in Madison County and I made the same as a teacher in Coahoma County, and I wondered if we were just nuts at Madison Central or if that was standard for other districts. I just didn't see how other districts could pay coaches like that.

I'm glad you cleared that up. We are that nuts at Madison Central. I knew that you were at Grenada, which is also a 5A school. But I will say that we have a good football program, and Bobby Hall has certainly made a believer out of me. I also figured that baseball coaches in this state got paid a lot less than football coaches, unless you're maybe at New Hope.