Im curious if this falls into simply liberal ***** versus right wing alpha categories, or if it's mixed.
Should America torture?
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You'd have to define "torture." Waterboarding, to me, is not torture. We have medical supervision at the interrogation. We use this technique on our own soldiers. As for this kind of enhanced technique, I would use it if lives were at risk and the guy being interrogated knows the information to stop it.
Let me pose a counter hypothetical question to you. If a dirty bomb or a chemical weapon is about to go off in NYC and we have a captured terrorist that can help us stop it, what lengths would you go to to save potentially hundreds of thousands of lives?
Torture? No. Absolutely not.
I have no problem with enhanced interrogation, sleep deprivation, confined space disorientation, loud music, barney marathons, light and heat disorientation. Waterboarding, I'm undecided on.
Elmo (speaking as a stay at home dad one foot firmly in the realm of insanity) is our best weapon.
Yes, the conservatives need something to make them feel like badasses to satisfy their ego that they can't satisfy by their own accomplishments.
Bone spur Donnie is a perfect example. Can't fight his way out of a wet paper bag.
I think we have to ask the question without looking at results. To me, it's unAmerican in nature, but I felt the same about the lack of due process for suspected terrorists in Gitmo.
I agree with this, and reject the premise of the OP's question that we do torture.
I answered your question, don't dissemble. We have to look at the size of the risk we face otherwise we can't intelligently evaluate the situation.
Again, if hundreds of thousands of lives are at stake, what would you do to try and get that information out of a terrorist? Would you waterboard, for example?
Waterboard? I don't like it, but I don't know the technique (it seems to be differentiated from torture by most). But I wouldn't allow anything that uses intense pain or fear of death to acquire any information.
President Trump is so in your head I bet you can't sleep at night. lol
#Winning
#MAGA
Waterboarding is torture. The intelligence agencies have already said torture gets us no useful information. Everyone knows that someoene will say anything to make torture stop.
How do you think our enemies will treat our military personnel that get captured now?
Additionally, it goes against our principles as a nation. We are better than the barbarians, despite the fact that we elected Trump.
The vast majority of liberals and some conservatives, like John McCain, believe it is torture. I don't because of the safe guards and the fact we use it to train our own soldiers. But I will say that to save hundreds of thousands from excruciating death, I would do what needed to be done to get that info.
It is very easy sitting on a couch somewhere (not referring to you) saying we shouldn't do this or we shouldn't do that when faced with an incredibly evil situation like this. I'm not sure anyone really knows unless they are actually in that situation.
I'm guessing our enemies will just continue to do the same. You know, chop off heads, set fire to folks in cages, strap on a suicide vest, run over us with semi trucks...that sort of thing.
I do not believe in punishment by members of an agreement. But I do not believe it is reasonable to hold one party to rules of war when the other party is not signatory. Both parties have to obey the rules of war like Geneva Convention.
Says the guy bragging he will tell the veteran congressman his mom is a ***** to his face. Go sit down boy.
I don't believe we should torture. If we say we're better, then do better.
That being said, I would threaten to bomb Mecca.
That being said, I would threaten to bomb Mecca.
This issue isn't about winning. It is about saving lives. Something very real and far more important than "winning."
Truman dropped the nukes. He saved millions of lives regardless of what a minority of liberal historians tell us. Was that wrong? How many of us would not be here today, if Truman had not acted?
This is not that dissimilar. Extracting information to save countless lives is not some game. It can be very real and thank God I am not the one to have to make the call as to how far to go. Obama can get on his soapbox and say that is not who we are. It's easy, he's not faced with Truman like decision.
Ok then....saving what America stands for is more important than saving American lives
I just don't see how you could trust any information gained via torture. I would be spitting out everything I'd ever heard to end it.
Truman was there, you weren't. Truman had far more military intelligence than you have. Most historians believe Truman's actions saved countless lives. A few liberal historians disagree. I'm with Truman on this one because I don't believe the Japanese would've ever surrendered without this display of overwhelming force.
Country, when time is of the essence and we need to extract critical information immediately, we have no method short of enhanced interrorgation to get it. That is a simple fact.
Then the hundreds of thousands of lives lost, would be on you. But, you have your principles to sleep on. Boom, this issue is not nearly as simple as you're making it out to be.
By allowing further Russian invasion and continuing the bombing campaign until the Japanese agreed to unconditional surrender. They were already seeking a peaceful end, and were unhappy with Russian occupation of Manchuria.
The scenario that you are CREATING to argue a point beside the point. Do we negotiate with terrorists? No. Some positions we need to take and let the cards fall how they fall.
I gave you a hypothetical. That is not an unrealistic hypothetical. And what you said is that you would sacrifice those lives.
I actually agree with him. I think the idea is bigger and more important than the lives, truly. But I've also been willing to trade mine for this nation, so, I'm admittedly biased.
Would the US have lost any additional lives while waiting for the surrender?
1 American > 250,000 Japs. The Japs were absolute animals and deserved to have more bombs dropped on them.