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nebcountry

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Oh are we having the "can you win a national title with all walk-ons" conversation again?

All there is to this conversation is this: Pull the MNC winners for the last 10 years or so. Tell me how their recruiting classes were leading up to that. Discussion over.

NU's talent level is bad. Period.

This is the argument as I perceive it:

Our talent level is so bad, we should be happy with 3 wins. The coaching staff is excelling, without them we would've lost every game. Oh thank you Coach Riley, you are our savior. Those talentless players are making it too hard for you to win games.

I have not heard or read where ANYONE is claiming we have enough talent to try for a national championship.
 
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MNBigRed

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It's high time for the coaching staff to realize that if a guy doesn't make the play because of mental error or stopped on the play, that they bench said player immediately. I don't give a crap if they think said player gives them the best chance to win. If a guy isn't into the game and has mental errors or is quitting on a play, how the heck is that guy giving our team the best chance to win. This goes for the OL also. To heck with rhythm. Where is the rhythm when a guy has his head in is azz or quits on a play. Ya think some guys will wake up?
 

studed

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When your left with a bunch of top 15 classes from recruiting for a few years, any good coach can come in and turn it around like Jim H did at Michigan.
not any good coach. oline that had not blocked anybody in 3 years. no good qb on the team. no difference makers at rb or wr.
 

huskerssalts

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Yea we are making excuses. We should just shut up and let some of you guys act like OUR HUSKER coaches are complete failures and getting smashed all over the field and shouldn't be allowed to coach.

For F_ck sake, its getting old. The trueth is, we have lost 5 games by a total of 13 points. This shows me that we are in the games, we are competing with every team we play and we where more then capable to win every single game. You guys can try and make the losses worse then what they really are, but there a lot of us actually watching with open eyes and seeing whats actually there. Sucks we lost 5 games, God knows id rather be 8-0 but we are not. The bright side, like some of see, we are in on every single game and yes, we could of won every single game but as luck, fate or what ever you want to say has it, we lost the games. I mean honestly, how hard is it to give credit where its due instead of turning an ant hill into a dam mountain?
 
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huskerssalts

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Being completely real, we SHOULD beat Purdue soundly (even if we struggle a bit) and should beat Rutgers as well. Now if we get smashed, blown out by MSU, then sure, have at it. But heaven for bid we get beat by MSU by a last second field goal or lose by 3 points or less, would that change some if your views (for some reason i doubt it, hell even if we beat MSU by 10 i think some of you have your minds made up already regaurdless). Sorry, i think we will beat Iowa, just have a good feeiling that Iowa's power running game won't rock against our solid run defense. Vince amd Collins will make them have to stretch it out or pass, which this does favore us big time. I don't see us lossing to Iowa.
 

big red23

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Negatives:

- 3-5 record. This should be all we need to know.
- TA is completing 53% of his passes, which is identical to last year. His rushing yards per game and yards per rush a down from last year. Where's the improvement?
- No blowouts. We'll see if that holds up after MSU and Iowa. MSU especially.
- system identity? What?
- worst pass D in the nation...THE NATION!
- recruiting? Based on what?
- media/fan relations. as has already been pointed out, we'll see how this plays out if we continue to lose.
- game clock management.

Well obviously you only look at one thing... Passing yards against us

Currently we are #48 in opponent completion % at 56.5% passes completed against us. To me that is where the Pass defense should be judged not Yards against us

That also leads me to pass attempts against us... 338 Pass attempts against us which also in the most in the Nation

Here is a few more that make your statement false

TD Allowed #72
INT's #86
Yard's per attempt #93

While these stats are not good... I would not say they are the "Worst in the Nation"
 
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huskerssalts

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Come on big red, if they looked at the whole picture, it would kill off there point. They have to filter for the absolute worse stat possible and run with that and base there conclusion soley off it.
 

spinner4_rivals42045

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First- You expect more from a Mod? You mean you don't like people to bring evidence and facts to back up their arguments?

Second- It's obvious there are plenty of armchair QBs that just complain just to complain when they don't know what they are talking about.

No, I expect more from a Mod to be respectful of posters. You bring evidence to back up your "opinion". Football is an art just as much as it is a science. Many coaches have different philosophies and they sure as hell know more about the game as you or I do. But that doesn't mean you can treat posters like crap. Your a mod. You are suppose to be held at a higher standard. I

Second- Of course there are plenty of armchair QB's here. It's a freaking message board. Your one of them. I am one of them. Anyways a 3-5 record isn't reason enough to complain? MR's recruiting at NU inception to date isn't reason enough to complain? Let me guess - "Next Year..."
 

spinner4_rivals42045

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Absolutely false. Might want to watch some game film.

3-5 isn't absolutely false. That's a fact.
39th in recruiting by rivals isn't false, that's fact.
Being out recruited by at least half of the B1G isn't false, that's a fact.
MR's has a combined conference record 59-66 that's a fact.
Doing better next year with MR or MR's an improvement to recruiting is an opinion in which you have no bases of proof to make it a fact.
 

HuskerMike85

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No, I expect more from a Mod to be respectful of posters. You bring evidence to back up your "opinion". Football is an art just as much as it is a science. Many coaches have different philosophies and they sure as hell know more about the game as you or I do. But that doesn't mean you can treat posters like crap. Your a mod. You are suppose to be held at a higher standard. I

Second- Of course there are plenty of armchair QB's here. It's a freaking message board. Your one of them. I am one of them. Anyways a 3-5 record isn't reason enough to complain? MR's recruiting at NU inception to date isn't reason enough to complain? Let me guess - "Next Year..."

Firstly off, showing proof that our roster is on par with teams like Purdue and Northwestern etc is not an opinion it's a fact. When you have a roster like that expect to get those results. Also, yes I'm not going to kiss *** to people who either clearly don't understand the game of football, or just want to come over here and be a negative troll just to stir the pot. Not saying I like the record, what I'm saying is its going to take time to get talent on this roster and to give Riley time to do it. This is a complete reboot. What Bob and Tom built has been eroded away for a while now and it will take time. The last guy got 7 years let's give MR time as well. Riley will bring in a good recruiting class this year and an even better one next year. Ask @Mike Matya how organized and relentless the new staff is on the recruiting trail.
 

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HuskerMike85

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3-5 isn't absolutely false. That's a fact.
39th in recruiting by rivals isn't false, that's fact.
Being out recruited by at least half of the B1G isn't false, that's a fact.
MR's has a combined conference record 59-66 that's a fact.
Doing better next year with MR or MR's an improvement to recruiting is an opinion in which you have no bases of proof to make it a fact.

I was responding to the poster who said we had enough talent to win championships on our roster. Which is absolutely false. Also, I haven't seen is signing day here? I must have missed it. Oh also the fact that Rivals rankings are very skewed until you hit the 20+ commitment mark. I look at Avg star ranking that's a better indicator. This staff just isn't taking anyone who wants to commit first like the last staff did. We are in on some guys that are legit and will go through the entire recruiting process before deciding. You torch and pitchfork people need to be more patient and calm down.
 

jflores

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It's high time for the coaching staff to realize that if a guy doesn't make the play because of mental error or stopped on the play, that they bench said player immediately. I don't give a crap if they think said player gives them the best chance to win. If a guy isn't into the game and has mental errors or is quitting on a play, how the heck is that guy giving our team the best chance to win. This goes for the OL also. To heck with rhythm. Where is the rhythm when a guy has his head in is azz or quits on a play. Ya think some guys will wake up?

We're struggling to field warm bodies at at least a few positions.

How many dudes do we realistically think we can do this to, without just forfeiting up front and calling the whole season an extended tryout?