1A East doesn't have enough teams to fill out its side of the bracket, especially with some teams opting out. Lejeune, at 0-10, chose not to opt out, so with their being vacant spots in the bracket, they can fill one. Ok....wtf coach? You know good and damn well that your team didn't do anything to earn that spot. You're not taking a spot away from anyone else, but still. Morally, how can a coach have his players think that they are a playoff team and deserve to be playing? Personally, I couldn't do it. Seems like a coach would be honest with his team and let them know that they didn't do enough to be there. Talk about being rewarded for nothing at all. Today's society, I guess.
Should Lejeune (#27, 0-10) opt out? (UPDATED 11-4 Pender Advances)
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Not Lejunes fault. Go and play the game no matter what.
It has nothing to do with being rewarded for doing nothing or society. It's money. That's it. Recognize it for what it really is. It's what happens when you allow a system to be built on greed.
It has nothing to do with being rewarded for doing nothing or society. It's money. That's it. Recognize it for what it really is. It's what happens when you allow a system to be built on greed.
Lejeune is in the playoffs with an 0-10 record but MIC Is out because of the actions of a few players smh. Nailed it bud
That would make sense if you didn't have the choice to opt out. But in this instance, you have the option to opt out. As a coach, I would decline the invitation. Something inside that coach should say "why should we be in the playoffs?"
As far as the money...I can't see how playing this game will come as a profit for them. We're talking about a 1A gate with a team that won't bring any fans to help with said gate. More than likely, two buses for an hour long trip each way. How can this game make money for Lejeune?
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I agree man that’s a bit excessive to kick MIC and Carver out. Fine the schools or something. These are still kids and football is emotional. If it happened twice in a season then ok.
Exactly my point. I mean if the entire team and coaches got involved in it and started it then I could maybe support that but just a few players? Absolutely not. Far as I'm concerned suspend those players a game or two. Worst case scenario the remainder of the season. Don't punish the whole team though. But I'm sorry a winless team shouldn't be in the playoffs
It should be four rounds and a state title game. That would have weeded out some. NCHSAA had to get the extra money, and should have just kept the subdivisions
If max preps is right, Lejeune has only scored 9 points this year. Obviously if the kids want to play, then by all means play the game. But man to be the traveling team and knowing you’ve only scored 9 points, it would just be tough to have that kind of attitude. Kudos to them though for deciding to play.
With East only 31 teams and the West only 34 they'd made an exemption for 1A and only have a 32 team bracket. The other classifications have 50+ teams on both E&W and can fill a 64 team bracket without winless or even one win teams being in the playoffs. I realize it's about money but really how much of a gate will there be for these type games, the traveling school even with their cut it probably doesn't help much for their traveling expensive especially if they rent a charter bus, surprised some schools administrators done step in and say no you all aren't going.
Who cares? Let the kids play. Heck they already missed half of a year last year because of the virus. Who cares if they get to play one more game
Exactly. Why the nchsaa didn't keep the format we used back in the spring boggles my mind. It would create a lot of excitement in the final weeks of the season.
There are 4 winless teams in the 1a bracket and there are 5 one win teams also. That’s 9 teams that really don’t stand a chance. Just like you said, you know those teams aren’t traveling well. Maybe 50 fans in the stands if they are lucky. I agree. At some point it only makes sense for administrators to make that decision.
Money Money Money
There were 32 spots for 31 teams, so technically yes, they qualified before the first practice. But having the option to say no, we don't deserve to be there, but going anyway, is what bothers me. The whole "last game" mantra should have been brought up during the last regular season game. Yes, the playoffs are reserved for teams that at least win a game. From a pure sports stance, this is terrible. Can you imagine an 0-82 NBA team making the playoffs? From a teaching standpoint, he is failing his players by teaching them to expect rewards for no reason. Just because the rules allow it doesn't mean you have to take it.
Yep smh. Have a 11 or 12 game season and 1st round 2nd round regionals States. It's an easy format.
I would emphatically tell my team that we didn't play well enough to earn a spot. That's what sports are about. Wins and losses. As a coach, I would be ashamed to take a winless team to the playoffs. At the halftime of the final regular season game, I would thank my seniors for that blood and sweat, and tell them to go down fighting then. They fought for 10 games. The results weren't good enough to be rewarded. And as a senior in high school, we went 4-7, and I knew that we didn't make the playoffs because we weren't good enough. High school athletes are old enough to know that you have to win to advance in the sport, so whether the kids want to or not, their coach should be man enough to let them know that they didn't do well enough on the field to be there, even if they did try their best. No participation trophies. Sports is results based, and their results don't match their opportunity to play in the state championship tournament. The coach shouldn't allow his team to play, just because that's what they want to do. That's what's wrong with this soft, easily offended society now. He's the adult. He should simply tell his team that they did not do well enough to be in the playoffs. Sports are driven by clear results. They did not win a single game. As the leader of the team, he is showing them that results don't matter.
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In AZ - every division control what they wanna do and conference n so forth but like they only have like 16 total team in 1A - 6A and They Have 4 total rounds so
The format has been in place all year. Should the format be different going forward? Sure….but I don’t see how the coach forcing his players to quit and opting out is a good “life lesson” either.
Winless, 1 win, and 2 win teams have been making the playoffs for 20 years. Stop blaming the coach for not opting out and blame the capitalistic greed that has swept the country.
I say for a team that has only scored 9 points all year and still have fight in them to want to play, then by all means. I would ask ask players if they wanted to play. One more game for experience to build on. Will a lot of fans travel to see it? No. Will Pender play their subs in the 2nd quarter? Hopefully. Pender's coach knows the scenario and if he doesn't use it as a chance for the 2nd/3rd string to play and get experience, then he's in the wrong too.
To Lejunes credit they held Pender to 24 points the first time they played. They won't win but they also probably won't get hammered either like a Union Academy traveling to Mount Airy or South Davidson traveling to Mitchell will. There are much worse matchups across the state. Non of which should be happening but if you get the call to play, you go and play.
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Don't know about that.....according to calpreps.com......Lejune is 0-9 having scored just 9 points on the season ( 1 point avg) and given up 419 points (45.6 point avg.)....their power rating is MINUS 63.2.........by contrast the top ranked 1A team in the state is Eastern Randolph with a power rating of 30.6..........meaning I guess that E.R. would be a 93 point favorite...the top ranked 1A team in the East (according to calpreps) is Tarboro with a power rating of 12.2....meaning that they would be a 75 point favorite over Lejune.......Sounds about right....play ball.......thankfully for Lejune....Tarboro has 1st round bye.................................
Can’t believe we’re even asking a team to opt out. Winning or losing isn’t what it’s about. Some of these kids are never Going to get experience anything like this again. I don’t know anything about the logistics of these games but a 4 or5 hour bus ride with teammates, stopping to eat at a restaurant on the way is a vacation to some kids. Things some people do with their families a few times a year others never get that experience. I played over 30 years ago and remember every detail of our road trip playoff games. Don’t take that away from a kid.
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Lejune didn’t hold pender to 24 points..it was 24-0 with 8 minutes left in the first quarter and lejune forfeited
But people say they should play in the playoffs and go down swinging. Looks like the coach has already pulled the team out of a game before. Mid game, at that. But hey, they got the comradery from the bus ride. The also have another forfeit on their schedule, but the way this season was, that could have been because of covid. 9 points all season. I would slightly understand if the team was competitive, but they aren't. They had a full season of being together. Why even risk injuries at this point? But, this is just my opinion. I respect opposing views. To each their own.
Maybe I didn't say right. My point was my main issue is with the NCHSAA and the format not the teams that choose to play. I want I meant about the school administration is that I'm surprised that some of them say we're not spending the money we'll put it elsewhere maybe in a sport the school is more competitive in or something. I assume each school and coach and athletic directors are different some many just make the decision and some may have a team meeting and get the boys input most schools have multiple sport athletes so some of the boys even seniors may not want to practice for another week and travel 3 or 4 hours both ways just to get beat 60-0 ( I know I wouldn't have) and not risk injury and go on and play basketball or wrestle to they may be looking forward to spring baseball there are some schools who had bad football teams but are really good at the other sports ..Example what if you have a good basketball team or even if they don't but they love to play basketball and your 0-9 team goes and plays a playoff game and your best basketball player gets a season ending injury before he plays one basketball game? As far as that goes is one more game that you can't even complete in worth any boy get a bad injury?
And if you want a night out take them to a restaurant and have a team night out.
But if they want to play or don't that's they're business and my opinion doesn't matter.
And if you want a night out take them to a restaurant and have a team night out.
But if they want to play or don't that's they're business and my opinion doesn't matter.
I thought so to at least if it was over certain mileage this is from but this from .. the 2021-25 handbook under playoffs....
So basically looks like they only get a little more of the gate because the host school has to bad the officials directly instead from the gate if visiting school travels over 100 miles...
Team Expenses: The NCHSAA receives 15% of the gross gate from first, second, third and fourth
round games. In all rounds prior to the regional championship, participating schools will divide the
remainder equally after applying the following expense formula:
(1) Where the distance between the competing schools is 100 miles or less, the visiting school
will pay its own transportation and meals and the host school will provide the playing facility,
ticket takers, security and balls at no charge. The officials are to be paid from gate receipts.
(2) Where the distance is more than 100 miles, the same plan should be followed except that the
officials are paid by the host school, rather than from gate receipts.
(3) All concession rights belong to the host school.
(4) Participating schools are responsible for dividing any deficit or net.
(5) The principal of the host school, or appointed game manager, must forward the financial re-
port and ticket accountability form to the NCHSAA within 10 days after the contest.
Over the limit for both teams on fighting or leaving bench area during a fight. So eliminated from playoffs.
I realize they don't have many or maybe any fans on here MIC used too. But this was two weeks ago you'd think someone would have mentioned a fight with what 7 players ejected and the bench emptying it's not like fights that big happen every week.
Well I live in the triad and heard nothing. Know numerous people that are very close to athletics in the WSFCS and no one knew.
I sat in meetings where the nchsaa wanted to do away with subdivided playoffs but the schools, ie coaches, were vehemently against it.
The admin went to the 1A schools with a plan to reduce their playoffs to four rounds. 1A would have their “own” day with more focus which was/is a big complaint of those particioants. It would also allow the winter sport athletes to move on a bit sooner. The 1A schools felt they were being discriminated against and should not be treated differently. This from the schools that started subdivided playoffs and the pods system.
The nchsaa wanted to go to a separate football alignment which would result in six football divisions. Schools did not like it which I found ridiculous.
Subdivided playoffs and 256 teams have never been an nchsaa platform but one the schools have heavily favored and fought for.