Should Playing the Anthem Be Suspended to Remove Protest Opportunities?

[LeonThe Camel]

I am a combat vet. from the last part of the Nam war, these over paid jocks do not understand all the freedom s they have in this country, people have died to give them those freedoms..

First Thank you.
Second, from the time I served, I truly believe we fought for the same rights for all people. We did not point a weapon at another person only if they disagreed with us. The rights we fight for are for everyone whether we agree with their point of view of not. S you know,
the freedoms we have are because of our military. And those freedoms are to be defended at all costs. Cherry picking which rights are to be allowed is dangerous.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Tyranny ? Good Lord. If I'm the coach/owner, while you're representing me, you'll adhere to certain rules. That's called a job. In their off time they can say whatever stupid crap they want. Do you need a safe space now from my micro-aggressions?

What you originally described is also called tyranny. Orders come down from the top. The laborers have no say and their rights and individual liberties are removed from them. I'm an anarchist. I oppose all forms of hierarchy.

"[n]o one should be entrusted with power, inasmuch as anyone invested with authority must . . . became an oppressor and exploiter of society."[Bakunin, The Political Philosophy of Bakunin, p. 249]

I have no clue what you mean by safe spaces or microagressions. But they do sound like buzzwords.

 

[olblue]

I posed this question on the nat'l board ( Link ) too. Not saying it should or shouldn't, I'm just not crazy as it being seen as the right moment to distract from our ,military, etc.

We need more of this type of show of patriotism that can make America great again.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

What you originally described is also called tyranny. Orders come down from the top. The laborers have no say and their rights and individual liberties are removed from them. I'm an anarchist. I oppose all forms of hierarchy.

"[n]o one should be entrusted with power, inasmuch as anyone invested with authority must . . . became an oppressor and exploiter of society."[Bakunin, The Political Philosophy of Bakunin, p. 249]

I have no clue what you mean by safe spaces or microagressions. But they do sound like buzzwords.

An anarchist ? Are you 16 or just not very bright? SMH, people never cease to amaze me with their utter ignorance.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

What you originally described is also called tyranny. Orders come down from the top. The laborers have no say and their rights and individual liberties are removed from them. I'm an anarchist. I oppose all forms of hierarchy.

"[n]o one should be entrusted with power, inasmuch as anyone invested with authority must . . . became an oppressor and exploiter of society."[Bakunin, The Political Philosophy of Bakunin, p. 249]

I have no clue what you mean by safe spaces or microagressions. But they do sound like buzzwords.

Even funnier is an anarchist named DaBossIsBack.

 

[EliteBlue]

http://www.barstoolsports.com/dmv/s...-rest-of-the-season-in-a-good-season-premier/

South Park nailed the solution

 

[morgousky]

Do the words protest and dialogue piss anyone else off, like, just get on your f'n nerves today?

it seems to me that this county and most people under 40 have had it so damn easy that they must create issues and problems to take on for sheer boredom.

It's like when we get to the point where there arent many injustices left, 100's of years of protesting and talking fixed a lot of issues, and there arent many problems left to solve, we must create new ones to keep the masses busy.

The political elites and ivory tower wealth love this nonsense. Its why they think we're so damn stupid.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

Even funnier is an anarchist named DaBossIsBack.

I'm also a post modernist. From Kubrick to Kurupt. From Debussy to Da boss of all bosses. My level of self awareness, intellect, stupidity and contradictions would cause your head to explode. And to answer your question above no I am not 16. And I'm quite certain you have no clue what anarchism is. We are finished simpleton. Carry on.

 

[HSLex]

... I'm just not crazy as it being seen as the right moment to distract from our ,military, etc.

Since the Star Spangled Banner and American flag are about the military, maybe tensions could be relieved if we just created a second national song that was not about the military. That way, everyone could pay respects to the military before football games with the playing of the Star Spangled Banner and anyone wishing to peacefully protest some other aspect of the nation could do so during the playing of the second anthem without being automatically judged by the masses as not recognizing the tremendous sacrifices made by military members throughout the history of our nation.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I'm also a post modernist. From Kubrick to Kurupt. From Debussy to Da boss of all bosses. My level of self awareness, intellect, stupidity and contradictions would cause your head to explode. And to answer your question above no I am not 16. And I'm quite certain you have no clue what anarchism is. We are finished simpleton. Carry on.

I know exactly what you are.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

Pure idiocy, but chase whatever unicorns floats your boat.

 

[billoliver40]

No...don't quit playing the anthem. Justvopinion, Kop would have got a lot more mileage and maybe respect if he took a knee once then used the opportunity (and his money) to speak openly about his concerns. Continuing to take a knee and just trade barbs is inflammatory, not constructive.

Then again, I'm a white guy pushing sixty that's had an awful lot of friend and family serve over the years. Luckily, they all made it back. Not so luckily, not often in the same shape they went.

 

[morgousky]

No...don't quit playing the anthem. Justvopinion, Kop would have got a lot more mileage and maybe respect if he took a knee once then used the opportunity (and his money) to speak openly about his concerns. Continuing to take a knee and just trade barbs is inflammatory, not constructive.

Then again, I'm a white guy pushing sixty that's had an awful lot of friend and family serve over the years. Luckily, they all made it back. Not so luckily, not often in the same shape they went.

Do not sound apologetic for being white and over 60. Guys like you and your family are the reason we are where we are as a nation. You are the reason civil rights made it past the gate in the first place, and your parents are responsible for our freedoms.

I'm sick of older white America bending over backwards to be accommodating while being spat in the face. You've all done a great job.

 

[willievic]

Not only NO, but HELL NO! To many of my friends and some of my classmates from pilot training, come home covered by "THE FLAG". For SOB's like Kapernick, and other SOB's who don't respect out National Anthem, I hope they rot in Hell.
I will never attend an NFL game that has one of those SOB's playing for them. If the coaches had any balls, they would not play them.
Being able to protest is fine, but dis respecting the Flag or National Anthem is BS.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[willievic]

No...don't quit playing the anthem. Justvopinion, Kop would have got a lot more mileage and maybe respect if he took a knee once then used the opportunity (and his money) to speak openly about his concerns. Continuing to take a knee and just trade barbs is inflammatory, not constructive.

Then again, I'm a white guy pushing sixty that's had an awful lot of friend and family serve over the years. Luckily, they all made it back. Not so luckily, not often in the same shape they went.

A lot of my friends did not make it back. We lost over 58,200 in Namn, and we had NO business being there. It was a "Rich man's war, fought by boys not rich."

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

 

[billoliver40]

A lot of my friends did not make it back. We lost over 58,200 in Namn, and we had NO business being there. It was a "Rich man's war, fought by boys not rich."

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!

Wrong board for me to say this, but our politicians fought a war to bring communism in line with with what they were told to do....the Vietnamese fought behind a national hero and they fought to win, not control.
A whole lot of young US hero's paid a terrible price for some terrible political miscalculations.
Winning and war are two words that really don't make sense with each other.
Surviving, outlasting.....better matches.

 

[Lost In FL]

They could suspend the games ... that would eliminate protest opportunities. Better yet they could suspend the player, they own the league. If the players want to exercise their free speech on their time, that's fine. We all have freedom of speech, but our employer doesn't have to tolerate it.

If they really want to change the police force ... they can give up their millions and sign up. I'm betting the prima donnas won't...that's not what it's really about; they really don't feel THAT strong about it (enough to give up millions). Jmo

 

[jc2010]

Keep playing it, it gives the morons a chance to identify themselves

 

[JohnWallDCuz]

I think it should be removed. Everyone wants to discard the other verses in the national anthem that is clearly racist. I'm sorry, but I cannot support the national anthem any longer. Verse 3 illustrates the celebration of slavery and to turn the other eye because you are not a person of color is called racism. Imagine a song, that we are to represent, celebrating white people as slaves. I put my hand over my heart during the national anthem, but when I did my research, I can't support it. I respect the flag, but not the national anthem because it is not an anthem that all can be proud of, especially the people of color. Taking a kneel to support the flag is appropriate in my view.

Verse 3

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave


Francis Scott Key, the wealthy American lawyer who wrote "The Star Spangled Banner" in the wake of the Battle of Fort McHenry on 14 September 1814, was a slaveholder who believed blacks to be "a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community." It goes without saying that Key did not have the enslaved black population of America in mind when he penned the words "land of the free." It would be logical to assume, as well, that he might have harbored a special resentment toward African Americans who fought against the United States on behalf of the King.

Do your research and I can't see how anyone could support the slaveholder's anthem to represent the United States of America.

 

[UKinSC_rivals383602]

He should be stripped of his citizenship! All his crap about people of color being repressed! Really? That argument is so old hat! So we have here an African American man who was put through college on a Full Ride scholarship, Makes a 7 figure income, plays in a sport where 68% are African Americans, and has seen an African American elected President of the United States and hold office for 8 years, yet people of color are repressed!
You get out what you put in! I'm caucasion, nobody ever gave me nothin!! I make $40,000 a year!!! Yet he and his people are repressed!!! Please

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Well, apparently they are taking your advice and doing more action and less talk in Charlotte. When protesters destroy and get violent it upsets people. When they quietly take a knee in protest it upsets people. What do you want?

They are not protesting they are looting and rioting. Big difference.
70% of those who have been arrested are from out of state. So obviously this is political in nature. Soros gave them millions of dollars to get started. Hacked BLM texts showed this is all bs by them. Just creating chaos intentionally provocing a race war.

Anybody who thinks they have it bad and are being discrimated against needs to go to a much better country. Wherever that may be, Angola, China, Korea, India, Iran etc

What is going on is what these same money men have done in Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Ukraine etc etc. They hate the constutution and need to get rid of it and they are using racism as the weapon to do so.

The other day the naacp said the betsy ross flag was racist. They already said the dont tread on me flag was for some reason.
Just chipping away slowly at our rights and nobody is doing anything to stop them.

 

[UKinSC_rivals383602]

I think it should be removed. Everyone wants to discard the other verses in the national anthem that is clearly racist. I'm sorry, but I cannot support the national anthem any longer. Verse 3 illustrates the celebration of slavery and to turn the other eye because you are not a person of color is called racism. Imagine a song, that we are to represent, celebrating white people as slaves. I put my hand over my heart during the national anthem, but when I did my research, I can't support it. I respect the flag, but not the national anthem because it is not an anthem that all can be proud of, especially the people of color. Taking a kneel to support the flag is appropriate in my view.

Verse 3

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave


Francis Scott Key, the wealthy American lawyer who wrote "The Star Spangled Banner" in the wake of the Battle of Fort McHenry on 14 September 1814, was a slaveholder who believed blacks to be "a distinct and inferior race of people, which all experience proves to be the greatest evil that afflicts a community." It goes without saying that Key did not have the enslaved black population of America in mind when he penned the words "land of the free." It would be logical to assume, as well, that he might have harbored a special resentment toward African Americans who fought against the United States on behalf of the King.

Do your research and I can't see how anyone could support the slaveholder's anthem to represent the United States of America.

What's wrong with that???

 

[Anon1660081258]

I say we clear the streets. Impose a 24 hour curfew. That will stop these protestors. America will be great again, and I WILL feel free again... sitting at my window watching the SS patrols cruise the streets. Real freedom lies in surrendering to the orthodoxy, right? RIGHT?

 

[JohnWallDCuz]

You see no problem with the complete national anthem because you are white. You only see things based on your own experiences. I've walked in a restaurant with my white friends. It was 4 of us and I was the only black guy. When we all paid our tab at the register, we all presented our credit card, but I was the only one that had to show my ID. I have had so many experiences to where my freedoms are not the same as yours. You speak about NFL players making millions playing in the NFL, but how many black NFL owners are there? Zero! If you think it is by coincidence than you should keep thinking.

What's wrong with that???