I’m waiting for them to chime in on gender reassignment surgery.Until the aliens release their data on global warming/climate change in the south and North American continents I’m not going believe anything until Al Gore approves it and also I believe the aliens are single handedly responsible for global warming and climate change and are waiting for the right time to take over but also the aliens have no idea what they are getting into when they get to Hattiesburg MS
Should the US Government Release ALL info about UAP’s?
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I hope this is humanities’ collective response.
And it would be a rational response.
I just wonder if we have it in us to be rational?!?
There are films, government and private, by the hundreds, or thousands.
And why exclude government: the Navy films the Government released in ‘17 simultaneously filmed from multiple high-tech cameras got this ball rolling.
Power.
Gaining a technological edge on adversaries that would dwarf our short nuclear hegemony of the late 1940’s.
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Well, not @55wildcat six months, or my “few weeks,” here are some of the last 30 hours of revelations.
To put the cork back into this genie’s bottle would now require intimidation of the U. S. Senate.
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The government officials in charge of guarding these documents may themselves be of alien origin
Congress throws down the gauntlet:
https://thehill.com/opinion/technol...ive-claims-of-illegal-ufo-retrieval-programs/
The juicy bits:
This extraordinary language added to the Senate version of the Intelligence authorization bill mirrors and adds significant credibility to a whistleblower’s recent, stunning allegations that a clandestine, decades-long effort to recover, analyze and exploit objects of “non-human” origin has been operating illegally without congressional oversight.
Additionally, the bill instructs individuals with knowledge of such activities to disclose all relevant information and grants legal immunity if the information is reported appropriately within a defined timeframe. Moreover, nearly 20 pages of the legislation appear to directly address recent events by enhancing a raft of legal protections for whistleblowers while also permitting such individuals to contact Congress directly.
Researcher and congressional expert Douglas Johnson first reported on and analyzed the remarkable bill language, which, if it passes the House, could become law this calendar year.
Beyond the Senate Intelligence Committee, the powerful investigative body that oversees the nation’s intelligence agencies found the aforementioned whistleblower’s allegations — that secret UFO-related programs are illegally withheld from Congress — to be “credible and urgent.”
Moreover, according to two reports, multiple military, intelligence and contractor officials corroborated claims that the U.S. government or private companies possess multiple craft of possible “non-human” origin.
Importantly, this intelligence bill is not the first instance of Congress addressing the possible existence of surreptitious UFO retrieval and reverse engineering programs.
The 2023 National Defense Authorization Act, signed into law by President Joe Biden last December, established robust whistleblower protections for individuals with knowledge of secret UFO programs engaged in “material retrieval, material analysis, reverse engineering [and] research and development.”
But the Senate Intelligence Committee’s legislation goes significantly further than previous laws. If enacted as drafted, the legislation would immediately halt funding for any secret, unreported programs that engage in “analyzing” retrieved UFOs “for the purpose of determining properties, material composition, method of manufacture, origin, characteristics, usage and application, performance, operational modalities, or reverse engineering of such craft or component technology.”
At the same time, the legislation would cease funding for any personnel engaged in “capturing, recovering, and securing [UFOs] or pieces and components of such craft.”
Funding would also be cut for “the development of propulsion technology, or aerospace craft that uses propulsion technology, systems, or subsystems, that is based on or derived from or inspired by inspection, analysis, or reverse engineering of recovered [UFOs] or materials.”
Perhaps more importantly, the bill language prohibits legal prosecution of individuals with knowledge of surreptitious retrieval and reverse engineering of “non-human” craft. To avoid legal jeopardy, such individuals would have two months after passage of the legislation to inform the director of the Pentagon’s new UFO analysis office of the existence of relevant UFO-related information.
These individuals would then have six months to turn over “all such material and information,” as well as “a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic [UFO] material.”
Importantly, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s legislation contains a “sense of Congress” provision. Such resolutions typically convey a particular message from either the House or the Senate or, as in this case, from Congress as a whole.
The “sense of Congress” is that any illegally hidden craft of “non-earth” or “exotic” origin must be brought out of the shadows for broader scientific and industrial analysis. In particular, the goal of the legislation is to “avoid technology stovepipes” — a reference to the non-sharing of information due to excessive secrecy and compartmentalization — and to integrate any recovered “exotic technology” into the nation’s broader “industrial base.”
The “sense of Congress” provision aligns closely with concerns expressed by multiple officials that extraordinary secrecy prevents the robust scientific analysis required to make sense of the advanced, “non-human” craft allegedly retrieved in recent decades.
Of note, there are indications that at least one law enforcement entity is engaged in a sweeping investigation of the U.S. government’s handling of UFOs.
https://thehill.com/opinion/technol...ive-claims-of-illegal-ufo-retrieval-programs/
The juicy bits:
This extraordinary language added to the Senate version of the Intelligence authorization bill mirrors and adds significant credibility to a whistleblower’s recent, stunning allegations that a clandestine, decades-long effort to recover, analyze and exploit objects of “non-human” origin has been operating illegally without congressional oversight.
Additionally, the bill instructs individuals with knowledge of such activities to disclose all relevant information and grants legal immunity if the information is reported appropriately within a defined timeframe. Moreover, nearly 20 pages of the legislation appear to directly address recent events by enhancing a raft of legal protections for whistleblowers while also permitting such individuals to contact Congress directly.
Researcher and congressional expert Douglas Johnson first reported on and analyzed the remarkable bill language, which, if it passes the House, could become law this calendar year.
Beyond the Senate Intelligence Committee, the powerful investigative body that oversees the nation’s intelligence agencies found the aforementioned whistleblower’s allegations — that secret UFO-related programs are illegally withheld from Congress — to be “credible and urgent.”
Moreover, according to two reports, multiple military, intelligence and contractor officials corroborated claims that the U.S. government or private companies possess multiple craft of possible “non-human” origin.
Importantly, this intelligence bill is not the first instance of Congress addressing the possible existence of surreptitious UFO retrieval and reverse engineering programs.
The 2023 National Defense Authorization Act, signed into law by President Joe Biden last December, established robust whistleblower protections for individuals with knowledge of secret UFO programs engaged in “material retrieval, material analysis, reverse engineering [and] research and development.”
But the Senate Intelligence Committee’s legislation goes significantly further than previous laws. If enacted as drafted, the legislation would immediately halt funding for any secret, unreported programs that engage in “analyzing” retrieved UFOs “for the purpose of determining properties, material composition, method of manufacture, origin, characteristics, usage and application, performance, operational modalities, or reverse engineering of such craft or component technology.”
At the same time, the legislation would cease funding for any personnel engaged in “capturing, recovering, and securing [UFOs] or pieces and components of such craft.”
Funding would also be cut for “the development of propulsion technology, or aerospace craft that uses propulsion technology, systems, or subsystems, that is based on or derived from or inspired by inspection, analysis, or reverse engineering of recovered [UFOs] or materials.”
Perhaps more importantly, the bill language prohibits legal prosecution of individuals with knowledge of surreptitious retrieval and reverse engineering of “non-human” craft. To avoid legal jeopardy, such individuals would have two months after passage of the legislation to inform the director of the Pentagon’s new UFO analysis office of the existence of relevant UFO-related information.
These individuals would then have six months to turn over “all such material and information,” as well as “a comprehensive list of all non-earth origin or exotic [UFO] material.”
Importantly, the Senate Intelligence Committee’s legislation contains a “sense of Congress” provision. Such resolutions typically convey a particular message from either the House or the Senate or, as in this case, from Congress as a whole.
The “sense of Congress” is that any illegally hidden craft of “non-earth” or “exotic” origin must be brought out of the shadows for broader scientific and industrial analysis. In particular, the goal of the legislation is to “avoid technology stovepipes” — a reference to the non-sharing of information due to excessive secrecy and compartmentalization — and to integrate any recovered “exotic technology” into the nation’s broader “industrial base.”
The “sense of Congress” provision aligns closely with concerns expressed by multiple officials that extraordinary secrecy prevents the robust scientific analysis required to make sense of the advanced, “non-human” craft allegedly retrieved in recent decades.
Of note, there are indications that at least one law enforcement entity is engaged in a sweeping investigation of the U.S. government’s handling of UFOs.
If you think about it, we're not terribly far off from being able to make those kinds of things ourselves. Think about really advanced 3-D printers attached to a lightsail or other cutting-edge propulsion system. And by not terribly far off, I'm talking within the next 100-200 years or so, which is a drop in the ocean in terms of astrophysical timescales. Now think of an alien civilization that's hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years older.
Anyway, the video below happened to be posted today and discusses this topic, as well as the larger UAP issues as it relates to the Fermi Paradox, etc. It's a good listen on the drive to or from work, or while out for a run/walk. It also discusses the efforts and progress about the Galileo Project's interstellar meteor retrieval mission, which has found some very curious material.
That's a bombshell. My immediate reaction is that I sense there are many people on the inside with knowledge of these programs that have feared coming out until protective measures such as this were established. What follows should be very interesting, and after this, there is no way they will be able to put the genie back in the bottle.
By chance, I am currently representing a retired full bird colonel in some corporate litigation.
We’ve become conversant on many topics.
He’s not a “ring knocker,” (a graduate of an Academy), but had a very successful career, and graduated from the War College.
I mentioned the recent revelations, and his response was, “oh sure . . . you know Wright-Pat has multiple subterranean levels, don’t you.”
I haven’t pushed the conversation farther, yet.
I suspect we are going to be experiencing bombshells at least weekly, if not daily.
Marco Rubio has my vote in any future races for national office. This took some guts!
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Yes.
Hence my query on the OP.
If we have fully intact UAP’s, and reveal it, will it affect our efforts to gain advantage on adversaries?
Should that be our concern?
Should we require China and Russia to release their materials in order to have access to ours?
I think it would be awesome if the ships from Independence Day showed up and then it turns out they are from Melmac and millions of little Alfs come running out of the ships.
But for real I really, really want aliens to be real. Unless the proof comes in the form of an invasion, I'll be pumped when the announcement comes.
But for real I really, really want aliens to be real. Unless the proof comes in the form of an invasion, I'll be pumped when the announcement comes.
I think some of the basic facts could be revealed without compromising anything. I absolutely think that how everything has been kept in separate silos has stifled progress, Our best minds should be collaborating on this, much like they were for the Manhattan Project, which was kept secret.
Not sure how we could "require" China or Russia to release anything they may have, and I sure as to hell wouldn't grant them access to ours, at least for now. Maybe, *maybe* in the future some sort of international consortium could be established that would bring together all the materials and brightest minds from everywhere. It could be a way to ease overall tensions. Maybe it'd be possible earlier than expected of the disclosure that we're not alone alters the perspective of most/all governments and peoples.
If they're real, and they're here, though, then that means a technologically superior civilization (or perhaps many), is right next to us. That would mean we're not really in effective control of our own planet. They are, whether they assert it or not. Kind of a chilling prospect. It's a version of the "Zoo Hypothesis" solution to the Fermi Paradox. Even in benign forms, that's not a good outcome.
eh as long as they let me zoom around on one of their ships i'm cool
What exactly do you call a "revelation" in those links? A bunch of posturing lawmakers who have no real information?
Here's the takeaway, pulled directly from the article you linked:
Department of Defense spokesperson Sue Gough told the network that it had "not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of any extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently."
NASA also said following the publication of the claims that despite one of the space agency's priorities being searching for alien life, it too had not found credible evidence of it or UAPs.
That's right. The Pentagon and NASA flatly say it's all nonsense. Oh, but of course. Part of the cover up!
People who normally wouldn't trust Congress to say if it was raining outside are now citing some vague declarations about 'getting to the bottom of this' as evidence of, well, something. Though no one can say what. That, and the totally unverified claims of a previously obscure former intelligence officer.
Grusch says we have multiple recovered craft, alien bodies and a wealth of material dating back decades -- and that the US and other countries have been involved in analyzing these craft, attempting to reverse engineer them and so on. Yet HE HAD NEVER SEEN ANY OF THE MATERIAL OR VIDEO or PHOTOS or anything else to support that claim. Why not? Where the hell is all the stuff?
By the description of all that has gone on over the decades, thousands of people must know about at least some part of this. There must be mountains of reports about the engineering, videos of the bodies, boxcars of photographs.
The idea that all of that is real, but is being kept secret is, frankly, ludicrous.
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@MdWIldcat55 is obviously a reptilian humanoid alien who's become quite nervous about the nefarious plans his evil race has for mankind being exposed to the wider populace.
I kid.
Maybe.
I kid.
Maybe.
Why is there no interest in this subject from the scientific community? To me it’s a conspiracy theory that has gone out of control, centered largely in the political community, which isn’t known for its preponderance of intellectuals.
LOL. There *used* not to be because the subject was so stigmatized and ridiculed for a long time.
Here's one high profile academic who takes the subject quite seriously:
https://lweb.cfa.harvard.edu/~loeb/
You probably haven't heard about the Galileo Project:
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo
There are plenty of other academics too if you happen to follow the UAP subject. We're in the midst of a paradigm shift.
Why would a government lie about having such material?
Power?
Does Iran, Argentina, Ethiopia, Malaysia, etc. have such items or only the large powers of the world?
One thing is easy to agree with. Let’s stop the years of teases and speculation.
I can’t believe people are naive to think we are the only ones out there - intelligent life probably looks at us like we look at dogs. There’s just too much curiosity out there and small leaks to think otherwise.
Yes. We classify way too much material as is. The long running age of our nation lying to us "for our benefit" needs to end.
Even if zooming around on their spaceship means you’re flash frozen and dinner next Tuesday?
I for one would not be excited to learn our government(s) had lied to us for years and that we weren’t the most advanced beings in our planet. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say neither of those things would be good developments.
Nothing in this statement indicates a discovery of ET technology, the implied topic of this thread. Rather, it indicates an attempt to align with SETI, the respected and very scientific search for signals from ET civilizations.
I think Loeb is more a believer in ET technology than he is a scientist. He is on the verge of being a kook about it. Belief can override reason, and Loeb certainly fits the bill. He wants the Galileo Project to be as respected as SETI, but his insistence that alien technology is already here and all he has to do is to find it makes him more like
Where did I ever claim that was a statement indicating the discovery of ET tech? You just created a strawman, congrats. I was responding to the point you raised about scientists not taking it seriously. I gave you a very prominent example from HARVARD, arguably the most prestigious university in America, if not the world. Dr. Loeb was the director of their astronomy department for nine years, is director of Harvard's Institute for Theory and Computation, and was formerly the chair of the Board of Physics and Astronomy at the National Academies. Anyway, the Galileo Project has turned up some interesting debris that could be from IM1. Even if there's nothing technological about IM1, it would still be the first confirmed retrieval of material from an interstellar meteor, which is a big deal in its own right.
Moreover, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was the science advisor to Project Blue Book and its predecessors (which were essentially set up to with a pre-determined conclusion to debunk everything), had a turnaround in his thinking on the issue.
"In April 1953, Hynek wrote a report for the Journal of the Optical Society of America titled "Unusual Aerial Phenomena," which contained one of his best-known statements:
In 1953, Hynek was an associate member of the Robertson Panel, which concluded that there was nothing anomalous about UFOs, and that a public relations campaign should be undertaken to debunk the subject and reduce public interest. Hynek would later lament that the Robertson Panel had helped make UFOs a disreputable field of study.
As UFO reports continued to be made, some of the testimonies, especially by military pilots and police officers, were deeply puzzling to Hynek. He once said, "As a scientist I must be mindful of the lessons of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time."[7]
In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, "Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn't give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. You can't assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this."
Again, for decades, the whole UFO/UAP subject was stigmatized. If you were a serious scientist who wanted to do research on the subject, would you want to face open ridicule and sh*tcan your career? Where would your grant money come from? There's the saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" that was used to debunk anything and everything UFO/UAP related. Well, no. Such claims just require ordinary evidence of the same type as any other scientific inquiry; no reason or need to apply a different standard. But the stigma and ridicule for decades prevented any kind of meaningful, legitimate scientific inquiry (at least in public) such that such evidence couldn't even be gathered.
Thankfully, that stigma has begun to recede.
Where did I ever claim that was a statement indicating the discovery of ET tech? You just created a strawman, congrats. I was responding to the point you raised about scientists not taking it seriously. I gave you a very prominent example from HARVARD, arguably the most prestigious university in America, if not the world. Dr. Loeb was the director of their astronomy department for nine years, is director of Harvard's Institute for Theory and Computation, and was formerly the chair of the Board of Physics and Astronomy at the National Academies. Anyway, the Galileo Project has turned up some interesting debris that could be from IM1. Even if there's nothing technological about IM1, it would still be the first confirmed retrieval of material from an interstellar meteor, which is a big deal in its own right.
Moreover, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was the science advisor to Project Blue Book and its predecessors (which were essentially set up to with a pre-determined conclusion to debunk everything), had a turnaround in his thinking on the issue.
"In April 1953, Hynek wrote a report for the Journal of the Optical Society of America titled "Unusual Aerial Phenomena," which contained one of his best-known statements:
In 1953, Hynek was an associate member of the Robertson Panel, which concluded that there was nothing anomalous about UFOs, and that a public relations campaign should be undertaken to debunk the subject and reduce public interest. Hynek would later lament that the Robertson Panel had helped make UFOs a disreputable field of study.
As UFO reports continued to be made, some of the testimonies, especially by military pilots and police officers, were deeply puzzling to Hynek. He once said, "As a scientist I must be mindful of the lessons of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time."[7]
In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, "Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn't give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. You can't assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this."
Again, for decades, the whole UFO/UAP subject was stigmatized. If you were a serious scientist who wanted to do research on the subject, would you want to face open ridicule and sh*tcan your career? Where would your grant money come from? There's the saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" that was used to debunk anything and everything UFO/UAP related. Well, no. Such claims just require ordinary evidence of the same type as any other scientific inquiry; no reason or need to apply a different standard. But the stigma and ridicule for decades prevented any kind of meaningful, legitimate scientific inquiry (at least in public) such that such evidence couldn't even be gathered.
Thankfully, that stigma has begun to recede.
Any observation made using the scientific method must withstand peer review.
Carl Sagan (paraphasing LaPlace) coined the phrase, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” Nothing could be more apropos for this extraordinary subject. To date, there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that any alien technology has been located on earth or within the solar system.
Moreover, Dr. J. Allen Hynek, who was the science advisor to Project Blue Book and its predecessors (which were essentially set up to with a pre-determined conclusion to debunk everything), had a turnaround in his thinking on the issue.
"In April 1953, Hynek wrote a report for the Journal of the Optical Society of America titled "Unusual Aerial Phenomena," which contained one of his best-known statements:
In 1953, Hynek was an associate member of the Robertson Panel, which concluded that there was nothing anomalous about UFOs, and that a public relations campaign should be undertaken to debunk the subject and reduce public interest. Hynek would later lament that the Robertson Panel had helped make UFOs a disreputable field of study.
As UFO reports continued to be made, some of the testimonies, especially by military pilots and police officers, were deeply puzzling to Hynek. He once said, "As a scientist I must be mindful of the lessons of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time."[7]
In a 1985 interview, when asked what caused his change of opinion, Hynek responded, "Two things, really. One was the completely negative and unyielding attitude of the Air Force. They wouldn't give UFOs the chance of existing, even if they were flying up and down the street in broad daylight. Everything had to have an explanation. I began to resent that, even though I basically felt the same way, because I still thought they weren't going about it in the right way. You can't assume that everything is black no matter what. Secondly, the caliber of the witnesses began to trouble me. Quite a few instances were reported by military pilots, for example, and I knew them to be fairly well-trained, so this is when I first began to think that, well, maybe there was something to all this."
Again, for decades, the whole UFO/UAP subject was stigmatized. If you were a serious scientist who wanted to do research on the subject, would you want to face open ridicule and sh*tcan your career? Where would your grant money come from? There's the saying "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" that was used to debunk anything and everything UFO/UAP related. Well, no. Such claims just require ordinary evidence of the same type as any other scientific inquiry; no reason or need to apply a different standard. But the stigma and ridicule for decades prevented any kind of meaningful, legitimate scientific inquiry (at least in public) such that such evidence couldn't even be gathered.
Thankfully, that stigma has begun to recede.
I wasn’t attacking your post. I was critiquing Loeb and the Galileo Project.
The scientific method never changes.
Any observation made using the scientific method must withstand peer review.
There is no way for a serious scientist to avoid open ridicule. It’s part of the process.
Carl Sagan (paraphasing LaPlace) coined the phrase, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” Nothing could be more apropos for this extraordinary subject. To date, there is no scientific evidence whatsoever that any alien technology has been located on earth or within the solar system.
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a fortune teller told me thats how I was gonna go when I was in middle school.
It was literally the first sentence of your reply and not directly related to the question you posed in your previous post, but whatever. The GP has only really started collecting data for a short time, so we'll see what's found.
Again, it's a double-standard. For years, skeptics would hoot and holler about the lack of evidence when any meaningful attempt at investigating the subject would be career suicide for a scientist. Criticism of methodology is one thing, open ridicule is another. Sometimes ridicule can be appropriate if there are serious flaws in the research or data were fudged. But if the *entire* subject is basically third rail, well, then by default there's not gonna be evidence. So, it was a Catch-22 situation. That's the point I'm making.
Further, if ordinary evidence is all that's needed for other fields of science (biology, physics, whatever), then why is a different standard appropriate here? UAPs are regarded as an extraordinary topic, but evidence is evidence, plain and simple. You do a standard analysis of alleged alien materials and it shows something completely weird, then that's evidence, nothing extraordinary about it.
You say there's no scientific evidence of alien technology. Well, it certainly sounds like there is, it's just all highly classified. Sen. Rubio stated in a recent interview that his committee has interviewed whistleblowers with firsthand knowledge of UAP materials (whereas what Grusch relayed was secondhand). Where's there's smoke, there's fire.
Additionally, Dr. Garry Nolan of Stanford, whose primary focus is cancer/immunology research, in the course of his work in that field, developed a device to conduct mass spectrometry efficiently that can be used to analyze basically any material. In an interview he talks about some of his work on anomalous materials that are allegedly from a UAP (the first couple parts of the interview discuss other UAP-related work he's done). He collaborated with folks in the aerospace field on the matter.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7n...nalyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashes
Anyway, all the above is to say, truly open, public scientific inquiry into this subject has only just begun. It's a bit early to conclusively dismiss everything, which you seem intent on doing. To me, the extraordinary movement on this issue in the last few years certainly indicates that there's something interesting to pursue and worthy of attention.
My bad. I should have been clear that I was referring to the goal of the Galileo Project.
I think you’re being too sensitive. We live in a cold, brutal world and the scientific community is one of the most brutal. It has to be that way in order for advancements to be made in the understanding of nature.
No one gets a pass. Not even Einstein who was hounded when he proposed his cosmological constant.
Actually, you have a point. Sort of, anyway. Evidence is indeed evidence, plain and simple. However, in validating a scientific theory the evidence must be scientific evidence; able to hold up to scrutiny and reproducibility.
It can’t be “court evidence.” Someone swearing on the Bible that he saw something may be evidence in a court but it isn’t accepted in science circles, no matter who the person is, even a Harvard professor. Heresay, anecdotes and testimony are open to interpretation because of the nature of our individual brains, of which no two are identical.
Something being completely weird is not evidence of alien technology. We are still discovering exotic compounds and minerals here on earth, on Mars and on asteroids, some of which weren’t thought to be possible in nature. Meteors are constantly circulating throughout the solar system, spreading exotic substances everywhere.
That’s too convenient, don’t you think?
In his first statement, he says that if you expand your mind enough you’ll find other entities in there. Bless his heart, I first heard that comment from a hippie 50 years ago who was “expanding his mind” with LSD. Nolan is obviously brilliant but his notion of an ET presence on earth is outlandish.
In this video he says that aliens are 100% here.
If he possessed such docs they would be highly classified and he would not be allowed to disclose them. His entire statement that he took to Congress had to be cleared by the Pentagon. What he did provide was information that has been backed up by other highly credible witnesses that did in fact witness this material. It will literally take an act of Congress to break up the secrecy but Grusch has given them a viable trail of breadcrumbs.
Although not mentioned much at all in the media for some reason, but Grusch's statement are totally consistent with what Luis Elizondo has also revealed regarding are possession of non-earth origin craft. Elizondo headed the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP)
Also nuclear physicist Stanton Friedman who worked at GE, Westinghouse, McDonald Douglas, spent a good part of his life unraveling the Roswell incident.
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Fair and accurate, and I agree. We always need to be skeptical, but what he has provided is a starting point not an ending. He's not suggesting people take his word, he IS suggesting that they dig into it.
He was asked some of this during the interview and made it clear the he cannot discuss the details like locations and names of witnesses as that's highly classified, however that can be further pursued by a Congressional investigation which I believe KY congressman Jim Comer is launching in the House.
Both Houses of Congress are taking this very seriously on a bipartisan basis, and I don't think Congress is in the business of chasing fairy dust.
I have a different take on this. Politicians by their nature are extremely risk adverse. Historically this has been an issue that conventional science, the main stream media, and most politicians have ran and hide from for fear that they be labeled as lunatics. To be honest I was quite shocked that Senators like Rubio and Sinema, and Congressman Comer are really pushing hard on this issue.
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All good, dude!
I'm not being sensitive, as it doesn't affect me personally, just pointing out the way things were in the scientific community w/r/t this topic for a LONG time, which has only just begun the change somewhat. Agreed, no one gets a pass, but what about the topic being so verboten that even putting yourself out there was a surefire to be blackballed, not be taken seriously, and have serious trouble getting funding or promotions?
Yes, we were talking about scientific fields so obviously the standard is scientific evidence. You made an assumption that I was equating whistleblower testimony with scientific evidence. I'm not; nowhere did my post indicate that. I think such testimony has the potential to uncover scientific studies on the UAP phenomenon that have thus far remained shielded. The other point is that if scientific evidence comes to light re. UAP, it doesn't need to be "extraordinary." Instead, it'd just be evidence of the same standard encountered elsewhere in scientific pursuits.
Again, you're reading too much into what I said. However, my wording probably wasn't the best, and I can see how you might've assumed that. I didn't say it'd be evidence of alien tech, just that it'd be evidence, regular scientific evidence (i.e., not "extraordinary") of something *allegedly* alien that did, in fact, turn out be anomalous. We'd then need to pursue that nature of that anomaly to arrive at any conclusion, and if the best conclusion is that it was manufactured somewhere off-world, then that's the scientific method using regular evidence to arrive at that conclusion.
That was an odd quote, for sure. I don't think it can be used to impugn the work he's done. Anyway, I think that, to further scientific inquiry, you should take some psilocybin and report back here so that we can ascertain whether your findings are consistent with Dr. Nolan's!
In the video embedded in the Vice link, he discusses some of the materials analysis he's done, check around 10:28 and 19:23 (Again, abnormal isotope ratios don't mean an ET origin, but given the provenance of the material, the results are awfully strange). And yep, I'd seen the interview he did at the SALT iConnections conference. I hope you watched the entire thing. You characterize his notion of an ET presence on Earth as outlandish. But, that's nothing more than your personal belief. Dr. Nolan has had access to a lot more data than either you or me and believes it not to be outlandish at all.
All good, dude!
I'm not being sensitive, as it doesn't affect me personally, just pointing out the way things were in the scientific community w/r/t this topic for a LONG time, which has only just begun the change somewhat. Agreed, no one gets a pass, but what about the topic being so verboten that even putting yourself out there was a surefire to be blackballed, not be taken seriously, and have serious trouble getting funding or promotions?
Yes, we were talking about scientific fields so obviously the standard is scientific evidence. You made an assumption that I was equating whistleblower testimony with scientific evidence. I'm not; nowhere did my post indicate that. I think such testimony has the potential to uncover scientific studies on the UAP phenomenon that have thus far remained shielded. The other point is that if scientific evidence comes to light re. UAP, it doesn't need to be "extraordinary." Instead, it'd just be evidence of the same standard encountered elsewhere in scientific pursuits.
Again, you're reading too much into what I said. However, my wording probably wasn't the best, and I can see how you might've assumed that. I didn't say it'd be evidence of alien tech, just that it'd be evidence, regular scientific evidence (i.e., not "extraordinary") of something *allegedly* alien that did, in fact, turn out be anomalous. We'd then need to pursue that nature of that anomaly to arrive at any conclusion, and if the best conclusion is that it was manufactured somewhere off-world, then that's the scientific method using regular evidence to arrive at that conclusion.
That was an odd quote, for sure. I don't think it can be used to impugn the work he's done. Anyway, I think that, to further scientific inquiry, you should take some psilocybin and report back here so that we can ascertain whether your findings are consistent with Dr. Nolan's!
In the video embedded in the Vice link, he discusses some of the materials analysis he's done, check around 10:28 and 19:23 (Again, abnormal isotope ratios don't mean an ET origin, but given the provenance of the material, the results are awfully strange). And yep, I'd seen the interview he did at the SALT iConnections conference. I hope you watched the entire thing. You characterize his notion of an ET presence on Earth as outlandish. But, that's nothing more than your personal belief. Dr. Nolan has had access to a lot more data than either you or me and believes it not to be outlandish at all.
I think we need to move away from the ordinary evidence vs. extraordinary evidence dichotomy. There is only evidence or there isn’t. The flowery quotes of LaPlace and Sagan were only for emphasis in their arguments against outlandish claims.
The scientific method yields only one conclusion. Always. There are no gradients. No guesses. No opinions.
If there is a movement towards research regarding the presence of alien technology extant on earth then one of these two hypotheses will be proved correct: 1. Yes, alien technology has been discovered on earth; or, 2. No, alien technology has not been discovered on earth. There is no middle ground. There is never any middle ground.
I would love to take some psilocybin but it’s illegal so I’ll refrain. I’m old school and think that a structured society is best for a civilization.
I did watch the entire video but nothing he said convinced me that he’s on to something. He referenced secretive government, hearsay and anecdotes.
No, my opinion is based on a lifetime of studying physics. While there are many, many proposals stating how extraterrestrial civilizations should be extant in the galaxy and the Universe, there is simply zero scientific evidence that supports any of them.
No need to defend him. Or Loeb or any other scientist who is trying to draw attention and support to his theory. They will present evidence that gives their hypotheses credibility in the broad scientific community or they won’t. That’s the way that science works.