Should there be a new policy written by the NCAA...

[jwarigaku]

LHS,

You Know every kid in your school or The State of Illinois or the US or the World that has been offered?
Just to clarify..

I don't think you should crush anyone's dreams but I also think you should inspire kids to be better rather than coddle them and make excuses for them.

I know what it is to grow up poor and use sports to elevate yourself rather than let sports use you. I believe that you think you are doing everything to be the best you can for your guys but what I'm proposing does not put them anymore at risk than the current system. What I can say is there are at least two major recruits in this state that will not likely qualify when 2017 Graduatuon rolls around and it saddens me to see it happen!

By the way where do you coach?

I KNOW every kid that received an offer and I KNOW every kid in the last 15 years who went to school and who didn't . You can challenge me privately or on this board, I can care less either way. I don't have an agenda or a point to prove. I simple stated and stand behind the current issue with recruiting is not offering kids that haven't qualified yet. I backed this up with kids that have graduated college after receiving offers well before they qualified. I am not talking general, I am talking specific. Had either one of those kids had to wait until they qualified before receiving an offer, I may not be able to use them as a college graduate in today's examples. Your process would have eliminated those kids from going to college and graduating with a degree. I can never support such agenda.

Yes I feel strongly about kids pursuing their dreams! Whether its a "dumb jock" that want to be a professional athlete or a player that want to be a lawyer (Please note that we had a player graduate law school at the top of his class). It's there dream to have and not mine as an adult to crush or make their life my reality. You can call it whatever you like but until you walk in these kids shoes or even try to live their life for one day I don't think you are qualified to past judgement on what is best for them.

As far as recruitment is concerned parents, coaches, and the kids can control how far recruitment goes. Participating in the recruitment hoopla is voluntary.

 

[LHSTigers94]

LHS,

You Know every kid in your school or The State of Illinois or the US or the World that has been offered?
Just to clarify..

I don't think you should crush anyone's dreams but I also think you should inspire kids to be better rather than coddle them and make excuses for them.

I know what it is to grow up poor and use sports to elevate yourself rather than let sports use you. I believe that you think you are doing everything to be the best you can for your guys but what I'm proposing does not put them anymore at risk than the current system. What I can say is there are at least two major recruits in this state that will not likely qualify when 2017 Graduatuon rolls around and it saddens me to see it happen!

By the way where do you coach?

Again Jwar, where is there cuddling and excuses? Also I never said poor was a reason for anything. I said circumstances create different results. Take a second and stop trying to jump to conclusion. I never made one excuse but accepted the fact that not every kid with low GPA's are kids that don't believe in the academic side of school. I happen to know a few where this wasn't the case as I stated in an earlier post.

I will also add that you can not possibly know more than me about the kids I am speaking of. That is a guarantee! Everything that is reported isn't fact. All offers are not valid until you commit and the school accept. What could be an offer today may not be an offer tomorrow. If you want to fix something, control the kids and the parents for making a bigger deal out of nothing. Don't blame the University for showing interest in a player but put the responsibility in the proper hands. The adults that help guide the kids in their decision making.

 

[jwarigaku]

I forgot "no one could possibly no more than you" rational. Try answering my questions.

You certainly implied disadvantaged i.e. low income, single parent households, orphans, etc. If that's not what you're trying to say please define.

So you think the re ruining process shouldn't be slowed down?

Again Jwar, where is there cuddling and excuses? Also I never said poor was a reason for anything. I said circumstances create different results. Take a second and stop trying to jump to conclusion. I never made one excuse but accepted the fact that not every kid with low GPA's are kids that don't believe in the academic side of school. I happen to know a few where this wasn't the case as I stated in an earlier post.

I will also add that you can not possibly know more than me about the kids I am speaking of. That is a guarantee! Everything that is reported isn't fact. All offers are not valid until you commit and the school accept. What could be an offer today may not be an offer tomorrow. If you want to fix something, control the kids and the parents for making a bigger deal out of nothing. Don't blame the University for showing interest in a player but put the responsibility in the proper hands. The adults that help guide the kids in their decision making.

 

[LHSTigers94]

I forgot "no one could possibly no more than you" rational. Try answering my questions.

You certainly implied disadvantaged i.e. low income, single parent households, orphans, etc. If that's not what you're trying to say please define.

So you think the re ruining process shouldn't be slowed down?

There you go added things again. I am specially talking about a group of kids I know. Just like I would never try to imply or suggest that I know more about Naperville kids than a person who is directly involved with some of them. Makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

The arrogance that lead you to feel superior in knowledge is the same arrogance that lead to focus in on kids that may not qualify and try to fix the recruiting woes by taking something away from less than 10% of the recruiting populations. You spoke about 2 kids in 2017. How many 2017 kids have offers? Somehow taking offers away from those two kids will change the face of recruiting.

In my example I spoke specifically about a situation and I never used low income, disadvantage or single parent. The kid worked because he wanted Jordan's and other clothes. Stop trying to paint every kid with the same brush!! Stop trying to lump kids into whatever category you are reaching for. They are all individuals and operate as such. This is the reason I disagree with your suggestion. You would like to label ALL that are not currently qualifying with the not interested in being a student label. This is what I have an issue with. If there is a way to know that a kid has no desire to do right, I absolutely support not providing any perks to that kid. Keep in mind the perks are not offers to me. The perks are the all star games, the opening, rivals five star challenge, etc. I know every one of those outlets will pull a kid immediately if you informed them of the kids desire to NOT be a student athlete.

Don't pass the buck, step up and report accurate information and I am sure everything will fall in place. Like someone mentioned earlier, certain kids are not presented to the colleges based on their internal knowledge.

 

[jwarigaku]

LHS,

Speaking of painting with a single brush. You feel that I am a privileged guy from Naperville and judge me for it. Keep reaching, I understand now that buying sneakers and clothes is more important in your assessment than achieving in school and this is exactly the wrong message to send the kids. Consumerism is another issue I won't try to address here and one of the most annoying things about the Naperville area you are so fast to lump me into.

Sorry but my knowledge of players reaches far beyond the Chicago Suburbs or illinois and I do actually know more than you paint me for. Just to back up my NFL issue I found this little tidbit posted my David Schuman and provided by the NFL to remind all the sane folks out there not to crush the dreams and aspirations of their student athlete but to rather consul them on the risks of not using sports to better themselves rather than letting sports use them and spit them out.

There you go added things again. I am specially talking about a group of kids I know. Just like I would never try to imply or suggest that I know more about Naperville kids than a person who is directly involved with some of them. Makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

The arrogance that lead you to feel superior in knowledge is the same arrogance that lead to focus in on kids that may not qualify and try to fix the recruiting woes by taking something away from less than 10% of the recruiting populations. You spoke about 2 kids in 2017. How many 2017 kids have offers? Somehow taking offers away from those two kids will change the face of recruiting.

In my example I spoke specifically about a situation and I never used low income, disadvantage or single parent. The kid worked because he wanted Jordan's and other clothes. Stop trying to paint every kid with the same brush!! Stop trying to lump kids into whatever category you are reaching for. They are all individuals and operate as such. This is the reason I disagree with your suggestion. You would like to label ALL that are not currently qualifying with the not interested in being a student label. This is what I have an issue with. If there is a way to know that a kid has no desire to do right, I absolutely support not providing any perks to that kid. Keep in mind the perks are not offers to me. The perks are the all star games, the opening, rivals five star challenge, etc. I know every one of those outlets will pull a kid immediately if you informed them of the kids desire to NOT be a student athlete.

Don't pass the buck, step up and report accurate information and I am sure everything will fall in place. Like someone mentioned earlier, certain kids are not presented to the colleges based on their internal knowledge.

 

[LHSTigers94]

LHS,

Speaking of painting with a single brush. You feel that I am a privileged guy from Naperville and judge me for it. Keep reaching, I understand now that buying sneakers and clothes is more important in your assessment than achieving in school and this is exactly the wrong message to send the kids. Consumerism is another issue I won't try to address here and one of the most annoying things about the Naperville area you are so fast to lump me into.

Sorry but my knowledge of players reaches far beyond the Chicago Suburbs or illinois and I do actually know more than you paint me for. Just to back up my NFL issue I found this little tidbit posted my David Schuman and provided by the NFL to remind all the sane folks out there not to crush the dreams and aspirations of their student athlete but to rather consul them on the risks of not using sports to better themselves rather than letting sports use them and spit them out.

I hope you not a lawyer with all this circumstantial evidence. I never said or implied that you were privileged. I KNOW you don't live in ESL which is my point!!! The social economic status is completely irrelevant. As stated before the kid graduated from a MAJOR university in four years, yes I truly support that 100%. Keep digging as you are letting everyone know that your post really was a hidden agenda that is being pushed.

Now to just show your agenda, I said Naperville because I lived there (Aurora/ Naperville) from early 2010 through late 2013. I was two blocks from Matea Valley at one point. You can keep digging all you want. I will constantly watch my "I don't care about school" students graduate college every year which is the ultimate goal. In the mean time, you can continue to paint certain kids with a brush. I will also ask the question how can a kid who don't care about school play on Fridays to get film for scouts. If he isn't good enough for college then I don't think he is good enough to play on Friday nights. In my opinion that is using kids. Especially considering one of the 2017 kids you are talking about attend a private school.

Believe it or not we are on the same page on certain points but I refuse to let you paint everyone with the same brush. Take all the shots at me you want but I will keep it strictly to the facts.

 

[jwarigaku]

LHS,

I have stuck to the facts. What I will do is just agree to disagree on this topic. I have no agenda other than to get qualified kids offers. Qualified meaning academically and Athletically. I'm far from a neophyte when it comes to the landscape of college football recruiting and have been involved in some way shape or form since 1983. We are to far apart on this subject to ever come to an understanding of either persons side so I wish you good luck personally and with your student athletes!

I hope you not a lawyer with all this circumstantial evidence. I never said or implied that you were privileged. I KNOW you don't live in ESL which is my point!!! The social economic status is completely irrelevant. As stated before the kid graduated from a MAJOR university in four years, yes I truly support that 100%. Keep digging as you are letting everyone know that your post really was a hidden agenda that is being pushed.

Now to just show your agenda, I said Naperville because I lived there (Aurora/ Naperville) from early 2010 through late 2013. I was two blocks from Matea Valley at one point. You can keep digging all you want. I will constantly watch my "I don't care about school" students graduate college every year which is the ultimate goal. In the mean time, you can continue to paint certain kids with a brush. I will also ask the question how can a kid who don't care about school play on Fridays to get film for scouts. If he isn't good enough for college then I don't think he is good enough to play on Friday nights. In my opinion that is using kids. Especially considering one of the 2017 kids you are talking about attend a private school.

Believe it or not we are on the same page on certain points but I refuse to let you paint everyone with the same brush. Take all the shots at me you want but I will keep it strictly to the facts.

 

[mc140]

You would think one "good" school's refusal to release the transcripts of a highly regarded prospect will eventually lead to questions from all the schools that have offered that kid.

 

[jwarigaku]

MC140,

What do you mean the refusal of the school to release? Every time a college coach requests a transcript for my son I have to sign off. It's not a school choice it's a student(if 18 or older) or parents choice to release or not. That said the only college that would be aware of the refusal would be the requesting school.

You would think one "good" school's refusal to release the transcripts of a highly regarded prospect will eventually lead to questions from all the schools that have offered that kid.