Should we stick with Lindgren as our Sunday starter this weekend?

FlotownDawg

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He hasn't gotten past the first inning in two of his last three starts, and only went 3 innings in the other. Should we stick with him again in what could be a must win game if we want to host? Or should we go with someone else? Or is there even anybody else to go with? How about Ross Mitchell? He could probably give us 6 innings and turn it over to Holder or Bracewell. Thoughts?
 

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He hasn't gotten past the first inning in two of his last three starts, and only went 3 innings in the other. Should we stick with him again in what could be a must win game if we want to host? Or should we go with someone else? Or is there even anybody else to go with? How about Ross Mitchell? He could probably give us 6 innings and turn it over to Holder or Bracewell. Thoughts?

I'd be tempted to start bracewell. He sucked in his last start though
 

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Ok, sorry, we don't play on Sunday this week. Saturday starter then. I'd seriously think about starting either Bracewell or Ross Mitchell. The only reservation I have about Bracewell is that he only recorded 1 out in his last start. But he has been lights out his last few appearances. Pitched 3.2 scoreless innings against Alabama and 5 scoreless today. He seems to have found his groove, and I'd be very tempted to start him on Saturday.
 

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Ok, sorry, we don't play on Sunday this week. Saturday starter then. I'd seriously think about starting either Bracewell or Ross Mitchell. The only reservation I have about Bracewell is that he only recorded 1 out in his last start. But he has been lights out his last few appearances. Pitched 3.2 scoreless innings against Alabama and 5 scoreless today. He seems to have found his groove, and I'd be very tempted to start him on Saturday.

If I were Cohen, I'd start lindgren tues night. In perfect scenario, he'd pitch well for 5 innings. I'd then take him out and use him in relief this weekend. I'd start bracewell sat.
 

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No. Stick with what we've got. Just have a short leash. We have Ross and Bracewell, and even Holder if we need long relief....so just see what Lindy's got and then adjust from there. Lindgren hasn't pitched great of late, but he has had a ton of bad luck and errors that played a role in that. He is too talented to not let him start Sunday and see how many he can give us. Even if it's 3 innings, that's 3 innings we don't have to pitch one of our only 4 relievers.

that's my thoughts anyway.
 

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If I were Cohen, I'd start lindgren tues night. In perfect scenario, he'd pitch well for 5 innings. I'd then take him out and use him in relief this weekend. I'd start bracewell sat.

Do you remember Bracewell's last start? You just saw him dominate for 5+ innings out of the pen...why would you want to change that? Just start Lindgren but keep him on a really short leash. He is more than capable of giving you 6-7 strong innings, but not if he doesn't see the mound.

In my opinion, he's too good to potentially not even take the mound in a SEC series.
 

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Do you remember Bracewell's last start? You just saw him dominate for 5+ innings out of the pen...why would you want to change that? Just start Lindgren but keep him on a really short leash. He is more than capable of giving you 6-7 strong innings, but not if he doesn't see the mound.

In my opinion, he's too good to potentially not even take the mound in a SEC series.

Bc I've seen lindgren's last 3 starts...
 

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This might be one of those weekends where you put TBA for Saturday on the weekend rotation. See if we need to use Bracewell or R. Mitchell out of the pen on Thursday or Friday before deciding on who starts Saturday. On one hand, Lindgren has pitched very poorly in his last 3 starts. But on the other hand, Bracewell is one of only about 3 relievers we trust to get outs. It's a difficult decision.
 

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Bc I've seen lindgren's last 3 starts...

Yet, you ignore Bracewell's start??

And you also ignore all of Lindgren's successful starts this season? And the fact that if it wasn't for Frazier's error today, Lindgren probably gives us some innings?

Look I'm not saying Lindgren will guaranteed give us a great start...but what's the hurt in trotting him out there Saturday? You can tell really quick whether he's got it or not, and when he does he's our best pitcher. Meanwhile, if you don't even give him a shot, you risk losing the game without even seeing if Lindgren would have shut them down.

He is probably the only starter on our roster that is healthy right now, that is capable of shutting down USC if he is on. You can't risk not giving him a start.
 

Will James

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In SEC play Lindgren and Graveman are getting the same % of ground balls on balls in play. Lindgren however is getting over a K per inning. If his damn defense wouldn't play like chickenshit all season long he'd be easily viewed as our best starter by the laymen in the audience. Coming into the weekend he led all SEC starter's in FIP. Because of his ground ball rate he is destroying our other pitchers besides Holder in SIERA (FIP but values in groundball and flyballs).

After next year he will be a 1st round pick. No I don't think we should replace him with Shells McGee Ross Mitchell or anybody else.
 

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Call me crazy but I'd start Norris Tuesday.

You're crazy.

Just kidding, but I'd start CT before I'd start Norris. If we want all hands on deck for Thursday, CT may not be a bad option for Tuesday.....plus we could let him hit for himself and DH for one of our outfielders not named Renfroe. Just a thought.
 

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Yet, you ignore Bracewell's start??

And you also ignore all of Lindgren's successful starts this season? And the fact that if it wasn't for Frazier's error today, Lindgren probably gives us some innings?

Look I'm not saying Lindgren will guaranteed give us a great start...but what's the hurt in trotting him out there Saturday? You can tell really quick whether he's got it or not, and when he does he's our best pitcher. Meanwhile, if you don't even give him a shot, you risk losing the game without even seeing if Lindgren would have shut them down.

He is probably the only starter on our roster that is healthy right now, that is capable of shutting down USC if he is on. You can't risk not giving him a start.

Lindgren's starts have been lately and bracewells start was a while ago. If lindgren deserves another start after a few bad ones, why doesn't bracewell deserve one after one bad one? I really don't care either way. I just wanna win
 

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What you do is start Lindgren on Thursday. He pretty much threw a full bullpen Sunday while Luis and Kendall threw Saturday.

I do love all of you lately's who think that we should make all of these huge moves to a starting staff that has been in place for quite awhile now. Last time I checked we are looking at winning possibly 40 regular season games this season.

Come to think of it Renfroe did not get a hit Sunday. Should we move him in the lineup?

If you watched the game yesterday there was really only one earned run scored on the staff (the gounder in the first should have been an error on Frazier)

As far as Ben goes, you do realize yesterday was his FIRST victory in his four year career at MSU. Not saying he hasn't come full circle but his arm issues are always an issue and that is why he throws out of the pen.
 

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What you do is start Lindgren on Thursday. He pretty much threw a full bullpen Sunday while Luis and Kendall threw Saturday.

I do love all of you lately's who think that we should make all of these huge moves to a starting staff that has been in place for quite awhile now. Last time I checked we are looking at winning possibly 40 regular season games this season.

Come to think of it Renfroe did not get a hit Sunday. Should we move him in the lineup?

If you watched the game yesterday there was really only one earned run scored on the staff (the gounder in the first should have been an error on Frazier)

As far as Ben goes, you do realize yesterday was his FIRST victory in his four year career at MSU. Not saying he hasn't come full circle but his arm issues are always an issue and that is why he throws out of the pen.

I agree that we shouldn't mess with the rotation....

but then you contradicted yourself by saying we should pitch Lindgren Thursday? So you don't like messing with the rotation, but you want to mess with the rotation? I'm confused
 

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It was ruled a hit, I believe. If I were scoring, it was an error. I agree, we should start Lindgren on a very tight leash.
 

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Yes we should stick with Lindgren as our third SEC starter. His first inning meltdown was against Vandy on the road so I'll cut a little slack on that one. The other was again on the road. He has pitched much better at home. At least well enough to give us about 3 good innings. Bracewell has done well out of the pen so their is no need to rock that boat right now. Once we have to play on the road, hopefully that won't be until the supers, we might want to think about retooling. Either that or just win the first two games.
 

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I agree that we shouldn't mess with the rotation....

but then you contradicted yourself by saying we should pitch Lindgren Thursday? So you don't like messing with the rotation, but you want to mess with the rotation? I'm confused

I think that Lindgren pitches better leading us out than he does at the tail end of a series.

I was referring to the starting staff not necessarilly the rotation.
 

Will James

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I think that Lindgren pitches better leading us out than he does at the tail end of a series.

I was referring to the starting staff not necessarilly the rotation.

I liked Lindgren on Fridays too but the order we go doesn't really matter to me. At home I'm fine with him at the end especially on a short week this week. In a SR he's going Game 1 in my opinion.
 

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This brings up a rules question. If you do that, and then bring in a reliever for CT, he goes back to center and the centerfielder either leaves the game or moves over to left depending on who it is and who is in left, do you lose the DH and the new pitcher would have to hit? That makes my head hurt even typing it.