Shouldn't schools other than Rochester get bashed about the success factor?
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The fact that you find the above comment as a justifiable reason for the success factor being selectively applied is laughable.
I agree, I say do away with the SF and increase multiplier to somewhere between 2.5-3.0 for ALL open enrollment schools and eliminate the waiver.. lets treat them all the same..
All.... Don't forget separate water fountains that everyone knows would delight you to no end as well. Have a nice evening. On to a 7A party. Ratsy
Yes I have said that and wondered that as well. If I were a 4A-6A private school I would be somewhat frustrated with being treated differently than the 8A privates Marist/LA etc. those schools are as high as you can go from classification perspective.
What I would like to see (something along the lines of Stone Lizards open class) is all privates and publics with significant success get moved to open enrollment class.
There is something fundamentally wrong with punishing an individual, school, team, etc., for being successful. Applying a multiplier was supposed to address the boundaried/non-boundaried issue, and if that needed to be tweaked, then fine. But to tell a program that they are being punished for being successful says more about the institution delivering the punishment than it does the recipient.
A big difference between Forreston and some of the other publics mentioned is that all the kids there are home-grown. Forreston remains that truly-based one community entity of which high school sports used to be like.
Perhaps Rochester is all about Derek Leonard. Remove him and they return to an average farm town football program.
It's very simple: BECAUSE they are already multiplied into 8A there is no 9A or 10A.
Should they go up to 9a?
I don’t see how you can penalize a team already in the top division.
With that said I do agree that Success Factor should apply equally across public and private.
I'm complaining. Nazareth is a 5A team playing in 6A, falls in the title game, and now must play in 7A, despite not having won a title in now over two years.
2.5-3 is ridiculous. Every 4/5a school would end up in the uncapped enrollment 8a class. No private (except the ones that are already there: Loyola, etc) should ever have to play above 7a. 8a is uncapped and privates with 6-700 kids would never compete there!
1.65 is fine for the private schools fans that enjoy their advantage...
Another possible step... keep 1.65, cut radius from 30 miles to 15 miles...
Your ridiculous. How about we just leave the IHSA for playoffs and have our own Midwestern States Private School playoffs.
2.0 would be the fair happy medium number. And cutting radius may just make certain schools better.... make the rich richer so to speak. Would force a kid to stay at a top school within 15 miles instead of going to a more average program where they have better chance a playing time... could end up being an unintended consequence.
School choice, public or private is the best route to go. We don't need anymore anti-choice legislation. The power needs to be with the people and the parents.
If you can't get it in Illinois then it's time to move to another state.
If you can't get it in Illinois then it's time to move to another state.
Leave the IHSA, that's fine... but you have to take all your other sports with you..
What I said wasn't ridiculous at all, makes perfect sense..
Nobody is restricting your choice, you are free to move to within 15 miles of whatever private school you choose..
Talk about unintended consequences... worst thing that could happens to ihsa public football!!! In a state such as Texas where all of the tradition is with the big powerhouse public programs the split is fine.... all of the prestige is with the public championships and the private championships are second fiddle with little fan fare.... illinois would be more like New Jersey but much worse.... if you know much about national HS football you can name a few Nj powerhouses such as Bergen catholic or don bosco... tell me who the Nj public powers are???? Same would happen here... all of the prestige would follow the private championships and everyone would talk about loyola, mount carmel, montini, naz, etc.... the shine would be off of the public champions completely! If you want the ihsa public leagues to be a second fiddle affair go ahead and push for separation!
I don’t ever want to see a split. But if one did happen - how about a plus one game - the champions of the privates play the champions of the publics the weekend after Thanksgiving!!
If you are truly worried about anyone being second fiddle then you obviously have no time or concerns for anything below the top class. In your terms, a team such as Naz or Montini winning a 5 A title should be almost an embarrassment. Certainly not first fiddle stuff.
Well 7 of the 8 champions this past week would have been playing in the public tournament...
I have yet to meet a public school coach who doesn't think public schools should be success factored up. When a small school has success they benefit from move ins whether they be in high school or junior high specifically for sports. There by skewing the talent numbers they should have for their level. But if the worst thing that comes out of this is Herscher never winning, I guess all is well.
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Never heard of Herscher before. Are they a grammar school? What state are they from?
Never heard of Herscher before. Are they a grammar school? What state are they from?
We are a pretty good small school athletic program and I can name on one hand the kids we have had move in for athletic reasons in the last 25 years.. so lets not overstate things
Totally agree. The IHSA public school playoffs would become persona non grata. The private schools would load up with all the talent to compete against one another, play national teams, negotiate tv deals and completely minimize the public schools. Believe me HHS, it would be ugly.
Exactly. Look at the Naz point above. A 5a school possibly going to 7a only because of the “success factor” . Keep them in 5a and let’s see what happens.Patently unfair and complete bs. A team is good so let’s penalize them to help the have nots.
I'm a private guy... don't want a split... was just responding to someone public who does want a split