Would be more excited, but afraid this program will just dig up another behind the times fossil and put them in the OC spot! Hey, maybe we'll run the single wing or the wing T offense next! Wouldn't that just excite prospective recruits!
Shula gets canned
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I hope someone kicked him in the balls before tossing him out of the building.
Another wanna be coach living off the family name has finally bit the dust.
I didn't realize just how bad the numbers were on offense until I looked them up(knew they were bad, but they're worse than I thought).
Pass yards per game: 193.3(#104 out of 136 D1 teams) the only team that's worse in the SEC is Auburn(who just fired Hugh Freeze today BTW).
Rush yards per game: 100.8(#128 of 136 D1 teams) which is dead last in the SEC and only Maryland, Boston College, Stanford, and Cal are worse among P4 teams, this is totally embarrassing when you've got a dual threat talent like Sellers at QB(Shula should've been fired long ago for this alone).
Total yards per game: 294.1(#131 of 136 D1 teams) again dead last in the SEC, and the only P4 team that is worse is Wisconsin.
Points per game: 17.4(#123 of 136 D1 teams) dead last in the SEC(this seems to be a theme) the only P4 teams ranking worse than us in this category are Oregon St, Oklahoma St, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.
We were told we had a Heisman candidate and top 10 NFL draft pick(who Shula ruined) at QB leading an offense that would move the ball and score points in bunches while the defense gained its footing. When what we really have on offense is what we've had for the better part of the last 30 years: boring, unimaginative, uninspired, behind the curve offense that plays not to get beat week after week. A trend that sadly will continue long beyond this regime.
I remember a time in my childhood when our offenses were either Run n Shoot in the late 80s, the fastbreak offense of the mid 90s etc. were we always successful doing this, no, but at least we had something that was out there ahead of the status quo that gave players looking at our program and fans of our program a reason to be excited. When it was clicking it'd give you an adrenaline rush too(go watch USC/ms st from 1995 if ya don't believe me, or the La Tech or Vanderbilt games that year, or go back to the late 80s and check out the Virginia game from 1987) I know some on here will say the opponents I mentioned are bad teams, but we can't even move the ball and score on the bad teams now!
Pass yards per game: 193.3(#104 out of 136 D1 teams) the only team that's worse in the SEC is Auburn(who just fired Hugh Freeze today BTW).
Rush yards per game: 100.8(#128 of 136 D1 teams) which is dead last in the SEC and only Maryland, Boston College, Stanford, and Cal are worse among P4 teams, this is totally embarrassing when you've got a dual threat talent like Sellers at QB(Shula should've been fired long ago for this alone).
Total yards per game: 294.1(#131 of 136 D1 teams) again dead last in the SEC, and the only P4 team that is worse is Wisconsin.
Points per game: 17.4(#123 of 136 D1 teams) dead last in the SEC(this seems to be a theme) the only P4 teams ranking worse than us in this category are Oregon St, Oklahoma St, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.
We were told we had a Heisman candidate and top 10 NFL draft pick(who Shula ruined) at QB leading an offense that would move the ball and score points in bunches while the defense gained its footing. When what we really have on offense is what we've had for the better part of the last 30 years: boring, unimaginative, uninspired, behind the curve offense that plays not to get beat week after week. A trend that sadly will continue long beyond this regime.
I remember a time in my childhood when our offenses were either Run n Shoot in the late 80s, the fastbreak offense of the mid 90s etc. were we always successful doing this, no, but at least we had something that was out there ahead of the status quo that gave players looking at our program and fans of our program a reason to be excited. When it was clicking it'd give you an adrenaline rush too(go watch USC/ms st from 1995 if ya don't believe me, or the La Tech or Vanderbilt games that year, or go back to the late 80s and check out the Virginia game from 1987) I know some on here will say the opponents I mentioned are bad teams, but we can't even move the ball and score on the bad teams now!
I don't know who our new OC will be. But whoever it is, he will be our 7th OC in 10 years.
Beamer is doing this now to stave off his own termination at the end of the year.
Time will tell if it’s enough. The way I see it, he has to go at least 1-2 in his last three games and I think we can all agree that the 1 won’t be against A&M
Don't worry, 8th time is the charm.
Our offense was awful, but it wasn't primarily his fault. He didn't offer himself the job, Beamer did.
But still.... Looming over this is the fact that had Sellers thrown better, we would have won the game... He had at least 2 throws that were super wide open that would have gone for touchdowns, but he didn't put it even in a catchable range. Just like last week... The receiver gave the other team 7 points, and Sellers proceeded to give them the game at the end.....
I don't know if that's exactly coaching or not....
But I did see improvement from the O line the last 2 games, so maybe coaching is more involved with those type of things than it seems...
One thing I know for 100% sure is that it's frustrating to watch happen
I don't know if that's exactly coaching or not....
But I did see improvement from the O line the last 2 games, so maybe coaching is more involved with those type of things than it seems...
One thing I know for 100% sure is that it's frustrating to watch happen
Had a similar thought. I mean, obviously the overall body of work has been awful. But, he was calling plays last night that had receivers getting wide open and sellers just missed badly on a number of them. At least two for scores as you point out.
But I guess sellers regression also falls on his shoulders. How much is due to the coaching and how much is just due to lack of talent? Who knows?
I agree with you but at this point I think the only thing that saves him is a W against Clemson....
A win against Clemson would go a long, long way, imho. (as far as the fans being somewhat soothed)
A loss to Clemson will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the Beamer experiment.
I don’t think either way, they can Beamer. They will give him at least another year. Him firing th OC and OL coach, will help him deflect the criticism!!
I was thinking after getting pounded for 8 games the guys head is spinning every time he takes a snap. Not knowing if he has time to throw or whether he needs to take off running. He clearly has gone backwards as the season has aged.
Except that he's the guy who hired both, so it's really a major indictment of him that he had to fire both midseason, and the OC after less than a full season.
The greatest indictment is that he retained Teasley who was, by any objective measure, a terrible OC coach. AND he got a massive raise after last season.
So, yeah, I know firing assistants mid-season is a job-saving strategy, but it really only points the blame back at yourself.
I do think that running for your life all season messes with your head as a QB. He simply has not had a chance to develop any timing or rhythm this season. At all.
I think when he talked to Donati about firing Teasley the topic of Mike Shula came up ... so yeah, I think Shane made the decision.
I suppose you are right, but if it is true that Donati instructed him to fire Shula then that tells me Donati has little confidence in Beamer. It also probably means he won't fire Beamer this year no matter how it turns out.
Complete and total speculation as to who made the call.
The most likely scenario is that Beamer did what every coach in the history of the game has done when his tenure is in jeopardy: fired a top assistant.
I don't know, but if you were going to fire him why make him fire the OC? Just let the season play out and get rid of the HC in December.
A couple of ways of looking at it.
If Beamer can retain White, then all we really need is a competent OC. That should not be difficult to achieve. If you couple a competent OC with White's D, we are likely a 8-9 win team.
If you can Beamer, you're looking at starting from scratch and a total rebuild. This promises to be one of the most challenging environments to hire a head and build a new staff in quite some time, given all the turnover.
Which is easier? Finding a competent OC or building an entire new staff.
I think it will just take some serious conversations between Donati and Beamer to ascertain what Shane's thinking is. First and foremost, what went wrong with his previous 3 OC hires? He'd probably defend Loggains since he was hired away as a HC, but 2023 and half of 2024 were rough. Nevertheless, Donati needs to find out from Beamer if he can identify reasons why those turned out to be bad decisions. It's not a matter of Shane defending his decisions as he does to the media. The pretext to the meeting needs to be "You've made 3 bad OC hires."
Based on what Shane says he has learned, Donati needs to find out from Beamer how he would plan to attack the new OC hire differently. If Shane's approach is "I would hire each of the same OCs if I had it to do over again" then it should be a short meeting with Beamer dismissed shortly thereafter. If he can be candid and accept that they were bad, he needs to show that he has the ability to identify where the flaw in his thinking was and fix it.
Bad take, IMO. He was a bad OC, but he didn't make the decision to hire himself.