Shula Will be Back Next Year

[fwm]

A disappointing season -highlighted by offensive
woes has put the spotlight on coaches and potential coaching
changes.

Beamer responded by firing the offensive line coach and
gave Elliott the task of improving line performance.
Over the past two weeks- reports indicate that there has been
improvement- first in a reduction in offensive line penalties
and second in better pass protection for sellers. Elliott was
previously hired by Spurrier on the recommendation
of John Gruden.

So What about Shula? . Despite his long resume, as a first time
college offensive coordinator- the results so far have been
mediocre at best- leading to calls for his replacement.
What to do?

It's not clear -at this point-how much line problems contributed
to the offensive woes versus play calling. One reason Shula was
promoted to offensive coordinator was (my guess) is because he
had a comfortable relationship with Sellers. Given that this likely
was Sellers last year- that made a some sense.

With Sellers gone next year - what will Beamer recommend?
My call- they wiil focus on major improvements in offensive line
production.That will take some of the pressure off play calling.
Shula will be retained either as offensive coordinator or reassigned.
Either way he will be back. Besides- the buyout for Shula would be
large and the administration does not want to look foolish for
hiring a coach to a long term contact and then firing him after
one year on the job.

 

[92Pony]

 

[sclawman77]

Somebody's gonna take the fall at season's end for this disappointing season. It won't be Shane this year. Very likely Shula.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If Shula is back, it will mean we hired a bad AD. Or that Shane is willing to risk his head coaching career on Shula.

 

[Lurker123]

If Shula is back, it will mean we hired a bad AD. Or that Shane is willing to risk his head coaching career on Shula.

I would believe the latter in a heartbeat. I can see Shane saying "I'll show those guys".

 

[KingWard]

Besides- the buyout for Shula would be
large and the administration does not want to look foolish for
hiring a coach to a long term contact and then firing him after
one year on the job.

Lord, Son, that ship sailed a long time ago.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I would believe the latter in a heartbeat. I can see Shane saying "I'll show those guys".

My worst case scenario is the offense showing some kind of pulse down the stretch and that serving as support for bringing Shula back.

 

[Lurker123]

My worst case scenario is the offense showing some kind of pulse down the stretch and that serving as support for bringing Shula back.

Yeah. You want to see some lifen8n your team, but not enough to give Shane the excuse to bring him back.

I'm honestly curious about this past game. Was it one of those one offs where we play above ourselves, or was it the offense finally starting to click?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yeah. You want to see some lifen8n your team, but not enough to give Shane the excuse to bring him back.

I'm honestly curious about this past game. Was it one of those one offs where we play above ourselves, or was it the offense finally starting to click?

I'd say if we somehow miraculously win out with clear improvement on the OL and a sharp increase in ppg, then I guess he'd have a case.

Personally, I'm not much of an Elliott fan, but from what I read the OL did perform better against Bama. Like you, I'm curious if it was a one-off.

 

[HWGcock]

A disappointing season -highlighted by offensive
woes has put the spotlight on coaches and potential coaching
changes.

Beamer responded by firing the offensive line coach and
gave Elliott the task of improving line performance.
Over the past two weeks- reports indicate that there has been
improvement- first in a reduction in offensive line penalties
and second in better pass protection for sellers. Elliott was
previously hired by Spurrier on the recommendation
of John Gruden.

So What about Shula? . Despite his long resume, as a first time
college offensive coordinator- the results so far have been
mediocre at best- leading to calls for his replacement.
What to do?

It's not clear -at this point-how much line problems contributed
to the offensive woes versus play calling. One reason Shula was
promoted to offensive coordinator was (my guess) is because he
had a comfortable relationship with Sellers. Given that this likely
was Sellers last year- that made a some sense.

With Sellers gone next year - what will Beamer recommend?
My call- they wiil focus on major improvements in offensive line
production.That will take some of the pressure off play calling.
Shula will be retained either as offensive coordinator or reassigned.
Either way he will be back. Besides- the buyout for Shula would be
large and the administration does not want to look foolish for
hiring a coach to a long term contact and then firing him after
one year on the job.

If Shula is back my NIL contribution will not be back.

 

[92Pony]

I'd say if we somehow miraculously win out with clear improvement on the OL and a sharp increase in ppg, then I guess he'd have a case.

Personally, I'm not much of an Elliott fan, but from what I read the OL did perform better against Bama. Like you, I'm curious if it was a one-off.

They (OL) were better. There weren't multiple, free opposing DL bursting through on every snap. Heck, there were times where I could actually scan across the linemen blocking, and they were all actively engaging someone from the other team! It was quite refreshing. They weren't perfect, but they were better.

 

[RAtheOLcoach]

I'd say if we somehow miraculously win out with clear improvement on the OL and a sharp increase in ppg, then I guess he'd have a case.

Personally, I'm not much of an Elliott fan, but from what I read the OL did perform better against Bama. Like you, I'm curious if it was a one-off.

I’ve seen you state you’re not an Elliot fan several times but never a reason given. What is it that you don’t like about him?

 

[gamecock stock]

I'd say if we somehow miraculously win out with clear improvement on the OL and a sharp increase in ppg, then I guess he'd have a case.

Personally, I'm not much of an Elliott fan, but from what I read the OL did perform better against Bama. Like you, I'm curious if it was a one-off.

Alabama came into the Carolina game averaging giving up 311 yards per game. Our offense gained 320 yards against them. Remember, I said, early in the season I want to see how Shula does when we have a different OL coach. I just assumed that a move against Teasley would be made NEXT year. And you replied, that then we might go into NEXT season with a poor OC in Shula, only to find out our offense is no better with Shula even with a new OL coach (which was a valid point by you). Luckily, we don't have to find out NEXT season. We will know after THIS season. It has to be said that our offense performed better against Alabama than most. And by the way, in the first game with a new OL coach (against Oklahoma), the offense gained 224 yards. Before that game, Oklahoma averaged giving up 211 yards per game.

Remember, I said after Teasley was fired that anyone who can breath in and out could produce slight improvement in our OL. I am the one who said that Teasley never had any accomplishments as a coach. At least Shula was named OC of the year once in the NFL. As a Head Coach, he did produce a Top 10 team at Alabama. So, unlike Teasley, he has shown he has the potential to produce.

My point is I'd wait to see how the offense does the rest of the season. Certainly since Teasley was fired, our offense has done better than most against Oklahoma and Alabama. I'm not one to go easy on coaches. You KNOW I'm no Beamer fan, was against his hire and think he ought to be fired this season. But, Shula just might work out, especially if we hire an excellent OL coach.. I would not make a snap judgment on him.

 

[Legal_fowl]

My worst case scenario is the offense showing some kind of pulse down the stretch and that serving as support for bringing Shula back.

Yep, the pressure of being ranked #11 in the preseason and making the playoffs is off now.

 

[Legal_fowl]

Alabama came into the Carolina game averaging giving up 311 yards per game. Our offense gained 320 yards against them. Remember, I said, early in the season I want to see how Shula does when we have a different OL coach. I just assumed that a move against Teasley would be made NEXT year. And you replied, that then we might go into NEXT season with a poor OC in Shula, only to find out our offense is no better with Shula even with a new OL coach (which was a valid point by you). Luckily, we don't have to find out NEXT season. We will know after THIS season. It has to be said that our offense performed better against Alabama than most. And by the way, in the first game with a new OL coach (against Oklahoma), the offense gained 224 yards. Before that game, Oklahoma averaged giving up 211 yards per game.

Remember, I said after Teasley was fired that anyone who can breath in and out could produce slight improvement in our OL. I am the one who said that Teasley never had any accomplishments as a coach. At least Shula was named OC of the year once in the NFL. As a Head Coach, he did produce a Top 10 team at Alabama. So, unlike Teasley, he has shown he has the potential to produce.

My point is I'd wait to see how the offense does the rest of the season. Certainly since Teasley was fired, our offense has done better than most against Oklahoma and Alabama. I'm not one to go easy on coaches. You KNOW I'm no Beamer fan, was against his hire and think he ought to be fired this season. But, Shula just might work out. I would not make a snap judgment on him.

To me, this year has, so far, been a continuation of the Illinois game. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. But, if we continue to improve through the last 4 games then maybe there is something there.

 

[gamecock stock]

To me, this year has, so far, been a continuation of the Illinois game. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile. But, if we continue to improve through the last 4 games then maybe there is something there.

Exactly. That's why I ended my comment by saying I'd wait to see how the offense does the rest of this season. I would not make a snap judgment on him. The better offensive production than most others against Oklahoma and Alabama might have been a blind squirrel finding two acorns. I say all that as one who does not go easy on millionaire coaches.

 

[Legal_fowl]

Exactly. That's why I ended my comment by saying I'd wait to see how the offense does the rest of this season. I would not make a snap judgment on him. The better offensive production than most others against Oklahoma and Alabama might have been a blind squirrel finding two acorns. I say all that as one who does not go easy on millionaire coaches.

What if ... and this is a big what if ... the offensive problems were all because of Teasley?

 

[fwm]

The better offensive production than most others against Oklahoma and Alabama might have been a blind squirrel finding two acorns.

 

[gamecock stock]

What if ... and this is a big what if ... the offensive problems were all because of Teasley?

Most of us knew that Teasley was at a position that was above his capabilities. The fact that Beamer hired him, promoted him, and rewarded him with a huge raise, is a demerit against Beamer. It brings to question his ability to recognize and hire good staff, as well as manage them. Considering that this is Beamer's 5th season as a Head Coach, the training wheels should have come off long ago. Is Beamer the man to lead our football program?

 

[fwm]

The better offensive production than most others against Oklahoma and Alabama might have been a blind squirrel finding two acorns. I like

 

[18IsTheMan]

I’ve seen you state you’re not an Elliot fan several times but never a reason given. What is it that you don’t like about him?

It's not that I think he's a terrible OL coach, but I don't think he's the best we can get. I'm not particularly a fan of the all high energy antics and all that, but that's his schtick.

Mostly, I just don't want to see us settle. If OL improves a bit, I don't want us to just keep Elliott b/c he's here. We should get the best coach we can get.

 

[Jonesz2]

Somebody's gonna take the fall at season's end for this disappointing season. It won't be Shane this year. Very likely Shula.

Yes. We have one of the best QB in the draft and the fastest man in college football and we score 20 a game. Shula is toast

 

[RAtheOLcoach]

It's not that I think he's a terrible OL coach, but I don't think he's the best we can get. I'm not particularly a fan of the all high energy antics and all that, but that's his schtick.

Mostly, I just don't want to see us settle. If OL improves a bit, I don't want us to just keep Elliott b/c he's here. We should get the best coach we can get.

Would you be so inclined as to give us your top 5 OL coaches that you’d like to see us go after?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Would you be so inclined as to give us your top 5 OL coaches that you’d like to see us go after?

Of course I don’t have such a list so that is a silly request. I am not a college football coach so there is no reason I should know all the top OL coaches in the game. However, it would be a statistical improbability if Elliot just so happened to be the best OL coach we could get. The fact that I don’t have a list of candidates does not mean there are not better and attainable OL coaches for us.

Beamer is at a critical juncture in his career, where he needs to stop making easy and convenient hires and really start pursuing quality candidates. Elliot would not be on staff if he had not previously been on staff under Spurrier. There is a 0% chance Beamer would’ve sought him out based on his resume alone.

And again, I am not knocking Elliot. But Beamer made a lazy hire with Satterfield. A lazy hire with Loggains. A lazy hire with Teasley. Retaining Elliot in that role would be another lazy hire.

 

[KingWard]

My worst case scenario is the offense showing some kind of pulse down the stretch and that serving as support for bringing Shula back.

Incomprehensible.

Yeah. You want to see some lifen8n your team, but not enough to give Shane the excuse to bring him back.

I'm honestly curious about this past game. Was it one of those one offs where we play above ourselves, or was it the offense finally starting to click?

That offense didn't really click. It just made a few more plays. 22 points ain't clicking.

 

[atlanta cock#]

I'm having a hard enough time sticking with Shane. If he brings back Shula, I'm out.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Incomprehensible.

That offense didn't really click. It just made a few more plays. 22 points ain't clicking.

It's more a testament to how awful our offense has been that scoring 22 points at home feels like an accomplishment

 

[Piscis]

Yes. We have one of the best QB in the draft and the fastest man in college football and we score 20 a game. Shula is toast

I don't think either of those players are really game changers. Sellers is a great athlete but no better than a "good" qb. His draft position will be based pretty much solely on his physical traits and potential.

Harbor is a great track star but he isn't really a WR. He had never played WR before college and earned his 5 star rating as a defensive end. He is playing WR at Carolina because Beamer was the only coach who agreed to let him.

 

[KingWard]

Exactly. That's why I ended my comment by saying I'd wait to see how the offense does the rest of this season. I would not make a snap judgment on him. The better offensive production than most others against Oklahoma and Alabama might have been a blind squirrel finding two acorns. I say all that as one who does not go easy on millionaire coaches.

Change Shula out. Remove him as an issue if you're going to be a head coach coaching for your job. That's what it's coming down to.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Lord, Son, that ship sailed a long time ago.

Classic

 

[gamecock stock]

Change Shula out. Remove him as an issue if you're going to be a head coach coaching for your job. That's what it's coming down to.

There are upgrades to Shula. Question is: Can Beamer identify them?

 

[will110]

Exactly. That's why I ended my comment by saying I'd wait to see how the offense does the rest of this season. I would not make a snap judgment on him. The better offensive production than most others against Oklahoma and Alabama might have been a blind squirrel finding two acorns. I say all that as one who does not go easy on millionaire coaches.

Better offensive production against Alabama, yes. Better against OU? What game were you watching? We had 224 yards and 7 points.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Better offensive production against Alabama, yes. Better against OU? What game were you watching? We had 224 yards and 7 points.

I assumed that had to be a typo

 

[Lurker123]

Better offensive production against Alabama, yes. Better against OU? What game were you watching? We had 224 yards and 7 points.

If memory serves, stock was referring to the yards per game, where we were slightly above the average OU and Bama surrendered over this year.

 

[will110]

If memory serves, stock was referring to the yards per game, where we were slightly above the average OU and Bama surrendered over this year.

Even if true that's hardly something to hang our hats on.

 

[Lurker123]

Even if true that's hardly something to hang our hats on.

I have doubts on the stat. Not the numbers themselves, but the idea that we were 10ish yards above their average surrendered. I am assuming if we take off the patsy games, and just look at p4 teams, we'd be a bit below average.

But I wasn't interested enough to go tally it up.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I have doubts on the stat. Not the numbers themselves, but the idea that we were 10ish yards above their average surrendered. I am assuming if we take off the patsy games, and just look at p4 teams, we'd be a bit below average.

But I wasn't interested enough to go tally it up.

You are right to doubt. OU's P4 opponents, Michigan, Temple, Auburn, Texas, us and Ole Miss have put up 288, 104, 297, 302, 224 and 431 ypg, respectively.

Only Temple has had less than us. All others were more than us, so for P4 programs, we were below average.

 

[gamecock stock]

Better offensive production against Alabama, yes. Better against OU? What game were you watching? We had 224 yards and 7 points.

What I said now was that Oklahoma had been averaging giving up 211 yards per game (at that time, their defense was ranked number 1 in the nation). Our offense exceeded that with 224 yards, thus bettering most of Oklahoma's opponents at that time.

 

[will110]

What I said now was that Oklahoma had been averaging giving up 211 yards per game (at that time, their defense was ranked number 1 in the nation). Our offense exceeded that with 224 yards, thus bettering most of Oklahoma's opponents at that time.

You are right to doubt. OU's P4 opponents, Michigan, Temple, Auburn, Texas, us and Ole Miss have put up 288, 104, 297, 302, 224 and 431 ypg, respectively.

Only Temple has had less than us. All others were more than us, so for P4 programs, we were below average.

It would seem your math was incorrect, @gamecock stock

 

[Jonesz2]

I don't think either of those players are really game changers. Sellers is a great athlete but no better than a "good" qb. His draft position will be based pretty much solely on his physical traits and potential.

Harbor is a great track star but he isn't really a WR. He had never played WR before college and earned his 5 star rating as a defensive end. He is playing WR at Carolina because Beamer was the only coach who agreed to let him.

Dude Sellers is the only reason we can move the ball any on offense.
Harbor- Senior (2022): 45 tackles, 5.5 sacks, and 15 catches for 439 yards and 5 touchdowns
Maybe he should be on defense