SIAP: Why I Left the Left
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Pull quotes from article:
"The Regressive Left ranks minority groups in a pecking order to compete in a kind of Oppression Olympics. Gold medal goes to the most offended".
"All of this has led me to be believe that much of the Left is no longer progressive, but regressive, This regressive ideology doesn’t judge people as individuals, but as a collective."
"Today's progressivism has become a faux-moral movement hurling charges of racism, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia, Islamophobia and a slew of other meaningless buzzwords at anyone they disagree with."
"The battle of ideas has been replaced by a battle of feelings, and outrage has replaced honesty. Diversity reigns supreme, as long as it’s not that pesky diversity of thought."
"This isn’t the recipe for a free society, it’s a recipe for authoritarianism."
Pretty much sums it up nicely.
"The Regressive Left ranks minority groups in a pecking order to compete in a kind of Oppression Olympics. Gold medal goes to the most offended".
"All of this has led me to be believe that much of the Left is no longer progressive, but regressive, This regressive ideology doesn’t judge people as individuals, but as a collective."
"Today's progressivism has become a faux-moral movement hurling charges of racism, bigotry, xenophobia, homophobia, Islamophobia and a slew of other meaningless buzzwords at anyone they disagree with."
"The battle of ideas has been replaced by a battle of feelings, and outrage has replaced honesty. Diversity reigns supreme, as long as it’s not that pesky diversity of thought."
"This isn’t the recipe for a free society, it’s a recipe for authoritarianism."
Pretty much sums it up nicely.
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You guys don't realize how much distance there is between someone like Dave Rubin and you. You just like this guy because he's dissing the left. I've been following this guys show since the start 2-3 years ago and when he went independent of Ora TV last year and set up his own operation and went to a Patreon funding model I liked the show so much I actually signed up to give a few bucks a month. Currently he has about 3,000 funders totaling about 25 K per month. This is the one and only online show I fund and yet you guys praising him think I'm crazy when I post on here.
One good thing about his show is that there's never yelling. And he has on all kinds of guests. He is gay and married but he's recently had on more than one guest that's against gay marriage. But he has them on and let's them say their piece and is polite even though he disagrees. He's truly committed to free speech which to me is pretty much Rule #1.
But that said, just because you and he are both annoyed with the some parts of the left don't get the idea that you have much else in common. He's not a righty at all except perhaps some here and there in the Libertarian sense.
Watching his show (or having it on audio as you do stuff around the house) is a way better way to spend your time than is reading all these nutty websites some people post to on here. For that matter lots of other shows, like C-Span Book TV are like that too. Look at the hyper-partisan sites now and then just to stay updated on what they're doing but don't use them for any kind of staple.
One good thing about his show is that there's never yelling. And he has on all kinds of guests. He is gay and married but he's recently had on more than one guest that's against gay marriage. But he has them on and let's them say their piece and is polite even though he disagrees. He's truly committed to free speech which to me is pretty much Rule #1.
But that said, just because you and he are both annoyed with the some parts of the left don't get the idea that you have much else in common. He's not a righty at all except perhaps some here and there in the Libertarian sense.
Watching his show (or having it on audio as you do stuff around the house) is a way better way to spend your time than is reading all these nutty websites some people post to on here. For that matter lots of other shows, like C-Span Book TV are like that too. Look at the hyper-partisan sites now and then just to stay updated on what they're doing but don't use them for any kind of staple.
OP, no one is under the illusion that Rubin is a conservative. He isn't. Although he admits that speaking with conservatives has brought him closer to conservative ideas (e.g. free speech, freedom of religion, etc.).
I have posted about the pending breakup of the Dem party. It is being hijacked by non-liberal identity groups each with different agenda. I watch with horror the other evening when a "liberal" claimed it was right and proper to shut down speech they don't like. She said even if force is necessary. The Dems have become the party of identity groups on each coast and the young. Middle America is mostly gone except for a few spots like Chicago and Minneapolis.
Liberalism used to be about tolerance, empathy, helping the weak and poor, etc. Rubin states that has morphed into something he doesn't recognized. A kind of racist state willing to do what is necessary to control outcomes. He is gay and married. He thinks the state suing bakers because they don't want to bake a cake celebrating gay marriage is appalling. He said, if the state and do this, where does it end?
Rubin is, imo, a old style liberal. But as he said, the Democrat party is changing and is going to lose people like himself. Just two days ago, a gay writer in NYC said almost the same things. He wrote what he felt was an accurate portrayal of Milo and lost friends, many long time, because of it. At a gay bar, he was asked about immigration and said he thought we needed to control our border. He said the guy called him a racist and left. He is now openly touting a move to the GOP who he claims has much more tolerance.
The times they are a changing.
But the thing is, the people like Rubin don't find friendlier confines on the right. The guy believes in gay marriage. He is an atheist. I don't know if I've seen him say this for certain but I'd be shocked if he didn't believe in climate change. Many on the right hate those things.
He was someone that formerly fit in with the Democrats and now the Democrats are leaving him and now he doesn't fit in with anyone. That doesn't mean he's going to vote GOP. He often talks on his show about the need for someone to politically represent The New Center. I think he's right. We need a middle party that shuns both social conservatives and hardcore identity politics.
Folks on the right don't "hate" Gay Marriage Op2...they believe in traditional Marriage being defined as One Man and One woman forming a Union.
Gay's who want to form Unions have to be called something else because Marriage as defined above involves heterosexual couples.
People of Faith or on the right don't "hate" Atheists Op2. They disagree with them, but you are free to not believe in God and no one on the right will kill you for that. People of Faith however will not be shut out from the debate or battle for thought in the arena of ideas, unlike folks on the Left who will either shout down or destroy anyone who disagrees with them.
Folks on the right don't "hate" climate change Op2. Nor do they "deny" the climate changes. They do not believe the Science confirms conclusively that Man either causes it, or can control it. the Left is convinced of it, and refuses to consider any and all Scientific evidence suggesting otherwise.
So considering who is "intolerant" and restricting of "free thought" Rubin makes his point.
As I said, Rubin is a classic liberal. I watched his interview last night on Tucker Carlson. He is beginning to find more in common with people like Ben Shapiro than within his own party. Not on issues like gay marriage or atheism, but on the fundamental principles of this country (free speech, free exercise of religion, individual rights, etc.). I don't know if he will change parties or not, but this is a big time warning to the Dems.
We may see 3 or even 4 parties in the future. But right now, we have two. And one of them is imploding, moving so far left they are alienating those that were once stalwarts. And these riots on campuses, changing names on buildings, ridding the Dem party of Jefferson and Jackson, speech codes, safe rooms, trigger warnings, are turning him off. Did you see the interview of Jim Webb? He is sending a very loud warning. Is anyone going to listen?
Now the Dems are set to elect a racist, anti-semite as head of the DNC, Keith Ellison. Jews, like, Alan Dershowitz have warned the Dems that if they do this, he is leaving the party. He has a big following.
I hope they do. I've always wanted him for them. So does David Duke, who the Left loves to "promote" to make their case against the Right & Trump. Now Duke agrees with the Left.
Pick Ellison, he's perfect for the modern face of the Democrat Left.
You're using the word "hate" to twist things. Okay, suppose I didn't use that word and so now you can't twist it. People like Rubin are strongly in favor of gay marriage and many on the right are strongly against it.
People like Rubin have a much different view than you do of how atheists are treated. Poll after poll shows atheists coming in last in "Would you vote for X for POTUS?" coming below gay people and Muslims and any other group you can think of. The right doesn't like atheists and with the lefts refusal to reject fundamentalist Islam they're starting to not like atheists either.
And people like Rubin have a much different view of you on climate change. There's no chance someone like Rubin is going to become a Republican (unless the Republican party changes I mean).
If you want to know more about him just watch some of his Rubin Report shows. There are a bunch of them and more coming out each week. He has long, interesting conversations with all different kinds of people. There's no yelling. Each person is allowed to talk longer than 10 seconds without getting cut off. As you watch more and more Rubin Report shows or others online like it the cable news shows look more and more pointless.
Rubin was on TC last night but that was because a guest on the TC show a couple weeks ago mention Rubin as a guy that was leaving the left and TC said on air that he didn't know Rubin was. TC's job is to do this stuff and yet he didn't know that Rubin, who has been doing this for awhile now and is up to 400,000 subscribers and rising on Youtube, even existed. One of the things Rubin talks about on his show is how media is changing and more people are getting stuff from the Internet and less from traditional media sources and TC proved his point by not knowing who Rubin was even though Rubin is popular online.
So change "hate" to "dislike." The specific word used isn't the point. Democrats are starting to be incompatible with Rubin but Republicans have always been and still are incompatible with him.
As of right now it is the left that is less tolerant but to be clear the right been the more intolerant side at times in the past and may be again some day.
As an ETA to the other post, the right hasn't become too much more tolerant that it used to be but rather it's just that the left has become less tolerant. Being better than someone not because you improved but because the other person got worse isn't something to be that proud of.
As far as the rights history, off the top of my head we have some abortion clinic bombing and some Klan stuff and pushing God into more and more public life. And I'd say being against gay marriage qualifies too, since if it really was about having marriage for religion and civil unions for government then the right would have been advocating for that all along instead of waiting until gay people wanted to get married. I'm sure I could think of more but that's enough for now.
You are entitled to your opinions Op2, but not your own facts. The KKK was on the Left. They were Southern Democrats opposed to integration and dedicated to racial segregation. Today most folks on the right, especially Christians and others of Faith summarily reject their hatred. Folks and people of Faith do not "attack" non believers, or threaten them with physical violence simply for their non belief.
As far as Abortion clinic bombings, the Left prefers to blame all on the Right for those who chose violence. Most people of Faith opposed to taxpayer funded convenience Abortions can be found outside the murder facilities simply Praying, or trying to give out Literature informing frightened young Girls of the risks to their Health and their innocent Baby's lives.
They are frequently confronted by violent "Pro Choice" crowds, shouting at them, calling then names, threatening them, and in many case physically assaulting them.
In those rare cases where folks opposed to Abortion have attacked clinics, most people of conscience on the Right condemn that sort of violence to make the point for Life, and they support immediate prosecutions of those who commit such violence.
You don't see folks on the right "cheering" them on or "clapping" when they destroy private property, like you often see folks on the Left doing when their (Leftist) hate mongers destroy private property.
Here is an interview from last Thursday, Feb 9 of Carlson with a student at Cal. At the 3:54 mark the student mentions Dave Rubin. After he's done speaking Carlson says he doesn't know how Dave Rubin is. He went from not knowing who Rubin is to having him on his show in five days.
I've said repeatedly that I am a staunch advocate for gay rights as well as being an agnostic/atheist, whatever you want to term it. WRT climate change, I believe we need to protect the environment but not to the extent of redefining and collapsing entire industries intentionally. I place all of those lower on the totem pole than national and domestic defense, fiscal responsibility, and economy/jobs.