If the NCAA jacks around all year, never comes up with any goods, Sidney never sees the court, and drops to round 2 in the 2010 draft, would Sidney have a case against the NCAA? If I were him, I sure as heck would go after them hard - i.e. racial discrimination, defamation, and libel, slander, etc. will cost me 8 figures over my NBA career, shoe deals, escalades, etc. ($28.8M in compensatory damages); and not to mention the anxiety, depression, inability to "perform"-see a.k., etc. ($74.684M in punitive damages). Maroon glasses aside, this kid is getting SCREWED while those crooks (peers) that he ran with growing up in the national aau circuit (wall, cousins, etc. are doing their thing at uk - i.e. their NBA tryout and crooked uk joyride). I think that he has already been severely damaged financially as a result of this garbage - I bet he could put a whole lot of scouts on the stand that would testify that he was a lottery lock if he was cleared to play from the get go, and not racially discriminated against. I'm not a big fan of racial discrimination claims, but do you believe that they would be running a white kid through this gauntlet and asking for his great aunt's money market account records??absolutely not - it just screams "you are black, poor, and stupid, and there is no way that you (even with the help of your extended family-because they are also black) could afford to live like that" I hope it works out for him (wish it would work out for us as well, but I don't see it).
Sidney - Ultimately a major lawsuit?
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If the NCAA jacks around all year, never comes up with any goods, Sidney never sees the court, and drops to round 2 in the 2010 draft, would Sidney have a case against the NCAA? If I were him, I sure as heck would go after them hard - i.e. racial discrimination, defamation, and libel, slander, etc. will cost me 8 figures over my NBA career, shoe deals, escalades, etc. ($28.8M in compensatory damages); and not to mention the anxiety, depression, inability to "perform"-see a.k., etc. ($74.684M in punitive damages). Maroon glasses aside, this kid is getting SCREWED while those crooks (peers) that he ran with growing up in the national aau circuit (wall, cousins, etc. are doing their thing at uk - i.e. their NBA tryout and crooked uk joyride). I think that he has already been severely damaged financially as a result of this garbage - I bet he could put a whole lot of scouts on the stand that would testify that he was a lottery lock if he was cleared to play from the get go, and not racially discriminated against. I'm not a big fan of racial discrimination claims, but do you believe that they would be running a white kid through this gauntlet and asking for his great aunt's money market account records??absolutely not - it just screams "you are black, poor, and stupid, and there is no way that you (even with the help of your extended family-because they are also black) could afford to live like that" I hope it works out for him (wish it would work out for us as well, but I don't see it).
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">Whether he plays or not, the kid deserves to hear a ruling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> This case has been on the NCAA's table for half a year.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> He is a kid that had the talent to play professional basketball overseas for a season and opt for the NBA draft the following year.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> That path has been proven successful by Brandon Jennings of the Bucks.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> There is no doubt that the NCAA is costing him money or the potential to make money in the future by holding out on a ruling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> If no ruling is handed down during this college basketball season, what is Sidney to do?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> With a year away from the game of basketball, some teams will be hesitant in taking him.</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p>
</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">In that same sense, Mississippi State University, its coaches, and the basketball players all deserve to hear a ruling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> With depth being a potential issue at the 4 and 5 position, a player such as Elgin Bailey (due to medical reasons) and Wendell Lewis could have been red-shirted.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> And obviously, our coaches and our team could move away from the controversy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> For the record, I am not blaming the Sidney situation for our slow start.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I am blaming pathetic energy and over confidence for our slow start. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>However, it has to be a distraction at times.</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p>
</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">As for the NCAA, everything they have at this point is an allegation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> We will be 10 games into the season later this week, it is time to make a ruling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> This "we do not have enough information" crap is getting old.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Tell us what information you do have.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Sure, we all know that the 1.2 million dollar home and his amateur status are the questions.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> But why are they questions?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Give us details.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Some ******** statement from a public relations standpoint is not going to cut it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I want to know exactly what is in question and why it is in question.</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p>
In terms of a lawsuit against the NCAA, you make a valid point.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I had this same discussion with a friend of mine a week ago, and I feel that he has a case.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> The longer the NCAA waits to make a decision, the more steam his legal case builds up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></p>
</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">In that same sense, Mississippi State University, its coaches, and the basketball players all deserve to hear a ruling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> With depth being a potential issue at the 4 and 5 position, a player such as Elgin Bailey (due to medical reasons) and Wendell Lewis could have been red-shirted.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> And obviously, our coaches and our team could move away from the controversy.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> For the record, I am not blaming the Sidney situation for our slow start.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I am blaming pathetic energy and over confidence for our slow start. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>However, it has to be a distraction at times.</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p>
</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal">As for the NCAA, everything they have at this point is an allegation.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> We will be 10 games into the season later this week, it is time to make a ruling.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> This "we do not have enough information" crap is getting old.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Tell us what information you do have.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Sure, we all know that the 1.2 million dollar home and his amateur status are the questions.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> But why are they questions?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Give us details.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Some ******** statement from a public relations standpoint is not going to cut it.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I want to know exactly what is in question and why it is in question.</p> <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p>
In terms of a lawsuit against the NCAA, you make a valid point.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I had this same discussion with a friend of mine a week ago, and I feel that he has a case.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> The longer the NCAA waits to make a decision, the more steam his legal case builds up.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span></p>
is that Jarvis is paying his own way to give Sidney a scholarship. The NCAA should try to make a ruling for at least that reason. If they just sit on this, it'll hurt our APR and the NCAA will double screw us.
but after hearing the announcers of the UCLA game talk about how the NCAA needed to make a decision because it was unfair to Sidney and to MSU I started wondering why Byrne doesn't put together some sorta PR scheme to get it out there even more and add some pressure to the NCAA. Maybe this is something that is already happening but it seems like most people, State fans or not, would think this whole situation was unfair and side with us, as long as nothing is ever found that is. It's time for the NCAA to put up or shut up.
and now it is very clear they don't. People have no sympathy for them. They don't care about allegations against Renardo Sidney. They now see Renardo as a victim.
I am sure ESPN2 will do a nice little story about it on Wednesday... They need to either say yeah or nay.........
I like Bryan Hot Dogs.......
I like Bryan Hot Dogs.......
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/bill-saum/7/558/2b0
ETA: I know he is not in the job any more, but he was the roadblock that started all of this. So if you want to email him and tell him he's a douche, here you go.
ETA: I know he is not in the job any more, but he was the roadblock that started all of this. So if you want to email him and tell him he's a douche, here you go.
..is that a lawyer could argue the NCAA defamed the Sidney's by not certifying his amateur status and thereby making the statement that Renardo's father did something untoward or deceitful with his family's financing while in California.
Of course they'd have to be absolutely clean to take that route, because if I'm not mistaken filing such a suit would give the NCAA subpoena power.
Of course they'd have to be absolutely clean to take that route, because if I'm not mistaken filing such a suit would give the NCAA subpoena power.
If a white kid from Jackson, MS, had the talents that Renardo supposedly does, moved to California for the last couple of years of high school to 'get his name out there', do you honestly think the NCAA would be asking for his grandparents' W-2's & bank statements - then after that was provided and still wasn't satisfactory, asked for the source of every single deposit that was made into his parents' checking account for the last 4 years? You really think that if a white kid was in the same situation as this, they'd be asking for all of this crap? The answer is, HELL NO. I generally don't subscribe to the racial discrimination argument, but in this case, yes - there is definitely a discrimination because how in the world could some poor black family from MS ever move to California for a couple of years without getting paid by an agent or booster of some school?
i was just noting that he should definitely sue for defamation and slander. that's like being charged with murder AND homicide.
/when you sue for defamation, the best defense is that the statements were true. you won't see tiger suing his flings for defamation, because then all the details and info have to come out. court ordered discovery isn't something to mess around with, especially if you may have something to hide. not that the sidneys do...
/when you sue for defamation, the best defense is that the statements were true. you won't see tiger suing his flings for defamation, because then all the details and info have to come out. court ordered discovery isn't something to mess around with, especially if you may have something to hide. not that the sidneys do...
I think the discrimination angle is that basically they are forcing the family to go to such great lengths to prove their financial stability. Based on Jackson's comments in the past, he doesn't seem to believe that anyone has ever had to prove those things to the NCAA in any prior case, so why now? Why the Sidney's? That, to me, is a valid argument whether you consider it from a discrimination angle or another angle. He also might be framing the issue as one of discrimination to publicly shine a negative light on the NCAA, which to me is fine because the organization is complete garbage and deserves any negative press coming their way.
If we were in Lexington, KY and his name were John Wall, there would be a sports page cover story every few days updating the situation. For Renardo Sidney, there has been very little media coverage. Somebody needs to wake up on this issue. Here, you have a Mississippi kid that is not being allowed to play at an in-state school on allegations alone.
Whether or not he plays, he deserves to hear an answer. Mississippi State signed this kid knowing this was a potential risk. Now that we are 30 percent through the season, it is time to make a ruling.
Whether or not he plays, he deserves to hear an answer. Mississippi State signed this kid knowing this was a potential risk. Now that we are 30 percent through the season, it is time to make a ruling.
So you don't think there's ever been a white guy that's moved to California to potentially help his athletic career and then wasn't cleared by the NCAA after all kinds of financial records had been provided? I find it hard to believe that Renardo Sidney is the only person, black or white, to ever do this. Again, if he's white - his parents were obviously rich enough to do it, no questions asked. If he's black, then we need grandparents, aunt & uncles and every cousins' financial records because there is simply no way for a black person to have the capability to move to California without taking money from an agent or booster helping out.
There is an obvious double standard here. It may not hold up in court, but if you don't see a double standard, then I don't know what else to say.
he committed to a school that was busted for paying basketball players while he was committed, UCLA backed off b/c they thought things were sketchy, they live outside their known means, and his dad is affiliated with a shoe company---yeah, i doubt this has happened to a white kid and he got cleared.
You act like they just picked him out of the blue. The only logical conclusion from the facts above is that this kid or his family was on the take.
Does the guy deserve a decision? Yes. But its not like they are just picking on a poor ol black kid.
You act like they just picked him out of the blue. The only logical conclusion from the facts above is that this kid or his family was on the take.
Does the guy deserve a decision? Yes. But its not like they are just picking on a poor ol black kid.
I would see a double standard, but I've never seen one example on this board, in the paper, or on the internet of this happening to a white kid.
****, the NCAA clears almost everyone, black or white. Its obvious they think something is up here regardless of race.
****, the NCAA clears almost everyone, black or white. Its obvious they think something is up here regardless of race.
in the city in which he lived? Wow, you're right - violation! Lived outside their own means - what, like every other U.S. American does? Another violation! Dad affiliated with shoe company? Check. VIOLATION! Logical conclusion - well, if there's all of these violations being committed, then why hasn't the NCAA deemed him a professional already? They have no concrete evidence on jack **** right now. None! The Sidneys have provided all the documentation the NCAA asked for and it's still not enough. Now they want to source every single deposit that was made into their checking account for the last 4 years? How anybody could provide that kind of information is beyond me. They had answers and documentation to cover all of their tracks. I somehow believe that if a white family provided what the Sidneys have already provided, then yes, he would MOST CERTAINLY be cleared already.
I think we can all agree that the NCAA has repeatedly 'moved the goalposts' on this: asking for certain info, getting it, then asking for even more, and on and on.
There might be a case in that for either a) negligence: for not originally asking for what they should have, and punishing Sidney for their mistake, or b) malice, for intentionally drawing this process out so that they can keep him from playing without ever having to make a ruling.
There might be a case in that for either a) negligence: for not originally asking for what they should have, and punishing Sidney for their mistake, or b) malice, for intentionally drawing this process out so that they can keep him from playing without ever having to make a ruling.
1. The Sidney family is guilty as hell. There is no doubt what-so-ever that they have taken alot of money. Stop with the poor kid ********. His family has lived far better than they ever could have the last couple of years because of his basketball skills.
2. The NCAA knows he is dirty, the just cant prove it. Obviously they are trying to wait it out. I wont be surprised if they drag it out past Christmas to see if he enrolls for the 2nd semester.
3. I do agree that it is no worse than Wall and others around the nation. Its ******** that Kentucky gets Wall, who had an admitted violation, and we dont get Sidney.
What does bother me though is this:
The hypocracy that takes place for certain programs makes me want to strangle someone.
Bama hasnt been called for holding in over 500 offensive plays? Against SEC defensive lines?
A man has come through with proof that he paid Bush thousands when he was at USC- yet nothing so far about USC football
And many more situations just like this
2. The NCAA knows he is dirty, the just cant prove it. Obviously they are trying to wait it out. I wont be surprised if they drag it out past Christmas to see if he enrolls for the 2nd semester.
3. I do agree that it is no worse than Wall and others around the nation. Its ******** that Kentucky gets Wall, who had an admitted violation, and we dont get Sidney.
What does bother me though is this:
The hypocracy that takes place for certain programs makes me want to strangle someone.
Bama hasnt been called for holding in over 500 offensive plays? Against SEC defensive lines?
A man has come through with proof that he paid Bush thousands when he was at USC- yet nothing so far about USC football
And many more situations just like this
And that's the big reason you're not seeing MSU as a school push the eligibility issue. They know he and his family are guilty as hell even more than we do and they know that if they push this and he does get declared eligibile (by some miracle), we'll likely be looking at NCAA sanctions on the back end of the deal (like Memphis forfeiting all those games).