Silverstein is 10-1, has a 2.86 ERA, but was only taken in the 25th round. Those are stud numbers, but definitely not a stud draft spot. Why so low?
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Sounds like he is not really a dominating pitcher
A redshirt SR., Likely a grinder.
Recent article, with a little feedback on him, etc
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-01/sports/39698161_1_virginia-tech-kent-emanuel-john-s
A redshirt SR., Likely a grinder.
Recent article, with a little feedback on him, etc
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-01/sports/39698161_1_virginia-tech-kent-emanuel-john-s
Doesn't mean anything in the pros either sometimes. Kris medlen's record is 3-6 (not good), but his era is 2.87 (very good). Sometimes it isn't how well you pitch, but when you pitch
They may not tell you anything, but they are generally good indicators of good and bad pitchers.
If a starting pitcher has those numbers, they do tell you something:
1. He goes deep into games (deep enough to qualify for a win/loss)
2. He is solid... not a stud, but solid (if he's giving up close to 3 earned runs an outing)
3. If we are disciplined, we can probably hit this guy enough to score at least few runs off of him
They don't tell you everything, but no one ever claimed they did. They are good general indicators of how well a pitcher might do. We touched up the guy with a +6 ERA pretty good yesterday.
But I wouldn't expect you to be able to see that, so my point is useless. Carry on with your sabermetrics.
1. He goes deep into games (deep enough to qualify for a win/loss)
2. He is solid... not a stud, but solid (if he's giving up close to 3 earned runs an outing)
3. If we are disciplined, we can probably hit this guy enough to score at least few runs off of him
They don't tell you everything, but no one ever claimed they did. They are good general indicators of how well a pitcher might do. We touched up the guy with a +6 ERA pretty good yesterday.
But I wouldn't expect you to be able to see that, so my point is useless. Carry on with your sabermetrics.
Exactly. It's a good first-look indicator, but it never tells the whole story. Gotta do some homework and dissect the games and situations if you want to get down to it.
Regardless of his pro potential, we should be weary of this guy. Played and won against some stout competition and probably most importantly he's a senior. No amount of talent can make up for the experience of playing in a Super Regional or CWS before. He's been there. No doubt in my mind we will get his best today.
I don't
think anyone is claiming them to be the determining factors in a pitchers worth. However, to claim the tell one nothing is imprudent, at best.
think anyone is claiming them to be the determining factors in a pitchers worth. However, to claim the tell one nothing is imprudent, at best.
From what I can gather by looking at past box scores and reading Kendall Rogers' scouting report, Silverstein is sort of like a left-handed Kendall Graveman. His stuff isn't first-rounder good, but his fast ball touches 90 and he pitches to contact. He'll give up some hits and will occasionally walk some guys, but you can't get greedy. We've just got to come with the same patient approach as yesterday- Renfroe and Rea can't start trying to pull everything out of the park like they were a couple of weeks ago. Like Graveman he's had some bad outings (v. Duke: 5 IP 6 ER, v. Wake Forest: 3.2 IP 4 ER), but he is a senior, so I'm sure we'll get his best shot. Silverstein does benefit from a great offense, so that's why his record is so good.
Yes why look at pitcher dependent stats like FIP, SIERA, and wOBA when we have things hardly controlled by the pitcher at all like W-L*** I will carry on with my sabermetrics. Only in baseball is new information scoffed at.
A few things
1. Nowhere did I claim ERA or Wins/Losses give us the whole picture
2. You claimed ERA and W/L don't tell us ****
3. I countered your claim, telling you they do tell us SOMETHING (which is telling us ****)
4. ERA and W/L don't tell us the whole story (look, I even said that in my original post)
6. I've been exposed to the game way more than you think I have and have it on good authority that many coaches do use sabermetrics to an extent, but not to micromanage game scenarios. Sabermetrics don't tell you situations or player behavior in situations, they only give overall percentages.
6. Sabermetrics have been around for decades... arguably up to a half-century (first book on a statistics approach to the game was written in the 1960s, in case you were wondering... so no, not "new information"). Wonder why they aren't bigger or the gold standard in baseball management? Because there's way more to the game than just numbers... but I don't expect you to know that.
1. Nowhere did I claim ERA or Wins/Losses give us the whole picture
2. You claimed ERA and W/L don't tell us ****
3. I countered your claim, telling you they do tell us SOMETHING (which is telling us ****)
4. ERA and W/L don't tell us the whole story (look, I even said that in my original post)
6. I've been exposed to the game way more than you think I have and have it on good authority that many coaches do use sabermetrics to an extent, but not to micromanage game scenarios. Sabermetrics don't tell you situations or player behavior in situations, they only give overall percentages.
6. Sabermetrics have been around for decades... arguably up to a half-century (first book on a statistics approach to the game was written in the 1960s, in case you were wondering... so no, not "new information"). Wonder why they aren't bigger or the gold standard in baseball management? Because there's way more to the game than just numbers... but I don't expect you to know that.
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Fielding Independent Pitching.
Weighted On-Base Average
Holder is 2nd in the nation in FIP.
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