Simple poll question. You can elaborate if you wish, but I just want a general feeling of what the fanbase thinks of the team after losing to LSU, but faring better than most of us thought we would.
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Simple poll question. You can elaborate if you wish, but I just want a general feeling of what the fanbase thinks of the team after losing to LSU, but faring better than most of us thought we would.
I just didn't see anything that LSU was trying to do to win the game. Like I said earlier, LSU could have ran the ball every play and still would have won. Lee played a decent game and the offense looked better but it doesn't make me feel any better about the remainder of the season.
After the big LSU-Auburn and Florida-Tennessee games the previous Saturday I thought all 4 of those teams looked very flat last Saturday. Us playing LSU "close" had more to do with them sleep-walking than it did with any real improvement in our team. But even if it had, the bottom line is we're still 1-4. I don't see anything better in being 1-4 by losing the winnable games and playing "close" in the tough ones is any better than being 1-4 by losing the winnable games and getting blown out in the tough ones.</p>
i think beating someone at the same level as us should be a criteria watched rather closely. so we played better at LSU...who cares? being happy that we played well against a higher ranked opponent does nothing in the SEC. we are going to play tough teams throughout the season and we need W's rather than L's. otherwise we should join CUSA so that we can win more consistently.
i am not happy because it tells me we are lacking greatly in consistency overall. so far we have scored some and lost a close one to LaTech (by 8), beaten a 1AA team, lost a very close game to Auburn (by 1) with literally no offensive productivity, get blown out by GaTech (by 31), score some and lost a close one at LSU (by 10). if you are looking for a trend then the trend is we are consistently inconsistent which comes down to coaching. with the moral victory reasoning it tells me that we should, based on our performance trend of 1A teams thus far, lose to Vandy by less than 3 points in a game that doesn't equal 10 points total between the teams.
you see how flawed that reasoning is????? thinking we are going to come out and light it up against vandy due to this most recent moral victory is silly. the only thing we have done consistently so far is LOSE. so i will be picking us to lose the next game and any game therafter until we find a way to win a game against a 1A opponent. and if you think that is dumb or too black and white then go look at OM's record from last year. they lost some close ones too but the losing trend stayed true, which was clearly due to coaching. in game four last year FL had a close call with OM. they had their moral victory and lost 6 of the next 8 games.
i am not happy because it tells me we are lacking greatly in consistency overall. so far we have scored some and lost a close one to LaTech (by 8), beaten a 1AA team, lost a very close game to Auburn (by 1) with literally no offensive productivity, get blown out by GaTech (by 31), score some and lost a close one at LSU (by 10). if you are looking for a trend then the trend is we are consistently inconsistent which comes down to coaching. with the moral victory reasoning it tells me that we should, based on our performance trend of 1A teams thus far, lose to Vandy by less than 3 points in a game that doesn't equal 10 points total between the teams.
you see how flawed that reasoning is????? thinking we are going to come out and light it up against vandy due to this most recent moral victory is silly. the only thing we have done consistently so far is LOSE. so i will be picking us to lose the next game and any game therafter until we find a way to win a game against a 1A opponent. and if you think that is dumb or too black and white then go look at OM's record from last year. they lost some close ones too but the losing trend stayed true, which was clearly due to coaching. in game four last year FL had a close call with OM. they had their moral victory and lost 6 of the next 8 games.
...the thing that is hanging in the balance is our recruiting class. Scout has it at #17 in the nation. We have a blue chip quarterback prospect on it, along with an all everything runningback, some WR prospects, and a bunch of good defensive linemen. The most important thing we can do is to get those guys on campus, no matter who the coach is going to be in 2010.
Saturday night did not make me feel any different about Croom and/or the staff's coaching abilities, but it did give me some hope that we may have found a quarterback and can string enough W's together to keep the class intact. Out of 7 games remaining, we'd be underdogs in 6 if the game was played Saturday, but there are also 6 winnable games on our schedule. Time to nut up and play some football. The Vandy game is huge, and there are no more mulligans.
Saturday night did not make me feel any different about Croom and/or the staff's coaching abilities, but it did give me some hope that we may have found a quarterback and can string enough W's together to keep the class intact. Out of 7 games remaining, we'd be underdogs in 6 if the game was played Saturday, but there are also 6 winnable games on our schedule. Time to nut up and play some football. The Vandy game is huge, and there are no more mulligans.
1. If we fire Crxxm and make a good hire, we probably keep most of the class anyway. At least most of the class that Crxxm would have been able to keep.
2. Having a good coach on board sooner rather than later is much more important than any single recruiting class. We hire a good coach and we'll have good recruiting classes.
2. Having a good coach on board sooner rather than later is much more important than any single recruiting class. We hire a good coach and we'll have good recruiting classes.
Apathy is at an all time high with me. Mississippi stuns the nation, Alabastards beats Georgia like they own them and we piss on our collective self because Louisana State was flat and went through the motions. If I weren't so apathetic, I wouldn't give a ****.
...I protested to the "we hung with LSU" comments. They could've really gotten after us if they wanted to. It's like they shut it down and put it in cruise control.
Easily the best QB this state has produced since McNair and (assuming he stays with us) the best QB anybody in this state has signed since E. Manning. I said that back when Garrett was committed to us and Russell wasn't, I say it now, and I'll say it if he decommits to us. </p>
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That's just flat out wrong, in my opinion. Most of these guys like Croom and say so in their interview. What Nutt did with OM's class last year is the best I have ever seen anybody do in the midst of a coaching change, and he got a lot of that class on his own (ex: Enrique Davis).
How often do you get a chance at a Tyler Russell. The last instate qb of this caliber was Fant, and that's been 10 years ago. We need Russell and these linemen. Granted, your statement depends on the rest of the season. Go 2-10 or 3-9? I'll agree, primarily because the class will be gone anyway. Go 6-6 or 5-7? Well, in that situation, Croom ain't getting fired anyway, so give me this class. The two go hand in hand, regardless of what you might say. You are apparently laboring under the illusion that he'll get fired at the end of the year for anything other than a complete disaster.
Hell, I'd even be all for giving him one more year if he can get us to 6-6. Despite what many of you believe, I really do want him to succeed here. But if he posts a 3-9 or worse record this year (which is looking to be very possible), we need to cut our losses now and take our chances with the recruits. You're just writing them off as gone if we fire Crxxm and that's just not necessarily true. They've already committed to Mississippi State (not to Crxxm). They didn't do that just because they like Crxxm. A good coach would have a good chance at keeping most of them. And a 3-9 Crxxm would lose his share of them anyway.
this death spiral our football program finds itsself in is a competent head coach. We do not have one at present and the sooner we do obtain a competent head coach the sooner we can pull out of the spiral. The ground is approaching soon for which there is no return or at best a long, long, long recovery.
Were you an Ole Miss fan posting on the Spirit last season? That attitude is the same that many idiots on the Spirit had last season. They were more worried about losing recruits than games.DowntownDawg said:
You do realize that the number one reason recruits that were once thought as locks to MSU (Patterson, Bumpis, Thames, etc) are now looking at OM is Croom & y'alls performance. The Florida win definately made us more attractive, but the guys above fell off the bandwagon when you were losing before the FL/OM game. You act like they are dying to play for Croom and that just changing OC's will help. I think they are sharper than you give them credit for and they see that your HC is what is holding your program back.
At some point, you have to cut your loses. If you are lucky, you get a good coach and still bring in a decent class.
...that the season has to play out. I agree that at 3-9, most of them are gone, and it's possible that you keep some recruits after a coaching change, but it has to be pulled off flawlessly, which is something that is typically not done at M-State. Bottom line, Croom is here next year barring a major disaster or a standoff with Byrne (which he has already backed down on), and since that is the case, we need to keep this class and have some silver lining to this season.
But I don't have much hope that it's going to play out to the 6-6 or 5-7 scenario. It's looking a lot more like 4-8 or 3-9 to me. I think 4 wins is the magic number for Crxxm to hang on to his job by the skin of his teeth. 3 or less and he's gone. Of course, as you mention, that's contingent on Crxxm backing down and firing most or all of his offensive assistants.
...without a quarterback. When Russell decommitts, I might rethink my position. And Orgeron never even came close to sniffing a bowl game.
...which I guess gets back to the original question. We've got 7 games left, 6 are winnable. You say yourself that Vandy is not any good. Arkansas is terrible. MTSU and Kentucky at home get you to 5. Beat a down UT or take advantage of the karma that Bruiser generated and face a Sneadless OM team, and you can sneak up to 6 with some luck.
I agree with that and it was also my take after the Auburn game. They could've thrown deep on us all night and didn't. Instead they ran the same 4 or 5 plays. Auburn played LSU the week after they got us and LSU plays @ UF after a bye week. Both offenses played it close to the vest. If we play Bama that close, then I will be impressed. They are going to be gunning for us.