Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

OMlawdog

Redshirt
Feb 27, 2008
1,686
0
0
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

Losing @ home to Tennessee.

If they lose to AU this Saturday, that will bring his overall SEC record in four years to a fantastic 24-40.

Just for fun, if you pick Stans worst four years at MSU, not four year run, but the worst four years he has had at MSU, his record is 25-39;

Anytime you can hire a coach that averages 6 SEC wins per season in four years, you have to do it.
 

coach66

Junior
Mar 5, 2009
12,683
299
83
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

of the SEC. Granted the SEC isn't a great basketball conference but just about anybody can beat anybody on any given night, for the most part. I know<div>Kentucky is 14-0, so maybe the parity applies to everyone except Kentucky. When LSU hired Johnson I really thought he would turn them around in a big</div><div>way but he just doesn't seem close at this point.</div>
 

maroonmania

Senior
Feb 23, 2008
11,116
772
113
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

to follow Stans to run our BB program (if it comes to that) are only about 50-50 AT BEST that they will do as well or better. Looking across the SEC it just seems to be a total crap shoot as to which coaches can come into the league and be even moderately successful. The only consistency you have now in the league is with Calipari at KY and Donovan with FL. Stallings at Vandy is just starting to now get fairly consistent but that would be 3 schools out of 12 at the most that have any semblance of a consistent winning program in the SEC.
 

idog

Freshman
Aug 17, 2010
586
69
28
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

maroonmania said:
to follow Stans to run our BB program (if it comes to that) are only about 50-50 AT BEST that they will do as well or better. Looking across the SEC it just seems to be a total crap shoot as to which coaches can come into the league and be even moderately successful. The only consistency you have now in the league is with Calipari at KY and Donovan with FL. Stallings at Vandy is just starting to now get fairly consistent but that would be 3 schools out of 12 at the most that have any semblance of a consistent winning program in the SEC.
we won'tbe able to make a Trent Johnson type hire, yet most think somehow we'll be better off than LSU has been withwhat many consider a solid hire that has resulted in mediocrity.
 

JxnDawg39211

Redshirt
Aug 5, 2007
837
0
0
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

besides taking over Brady's team in 2008 he hasnt really shown he can build a program. Next year will be a big one for him.
 
Oct 29, 2011
57
0
0
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

Since Johnson was the coach at Lin's hometown Stanford when Lin was a senior and they told him he could probably play Division III.
 

DAWG61

Redshirt
Feb 26, 2008
10,111
0
0
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

idog said:
maroonmania said:
to follow Stans to run our BB program (if it comes to that) are only about 50-50 AT BEST that they will do as well or better. Looking across the SEC it just seems to be a total crap shoot as to which coaches can come into the league and be even moderately successful. The only consistency you have now in the league is with Calipari at KY and Donovan with FL. Stallings at Vandy is just starting to now get fairly consistent but that would be 3 schools out of 12 at the most that have any semblance of a consistent winning program in the SEC.
we won'tbe able to make a Trent Johnson type hire, yet most think somehow we'll be better off than LSU has been withwhat many consider a solid hire that has resulted in mediocrity.


or just with hiring new coaches? We know what we've got with Stansbury and it's not good enough. There is no option here. We HAVE to hire a new coach to continue to build the program. It will probably mean taking a few steps back in order to move a few steps forward but that's the nature of the beast. Stop being a ***** and start getting excited for all the new opportunities a new coach can bring MSU.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
56,512
25,756
113
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

That's not an opinion, it's a fact. I went back and broke down every coach hired in the SEC since Stans was hired. Well over half of them were clearly worse than him and most of the rest were pretty equal. Only a few were clearly better. I know we have a good AD but it's not like the rest of the SEC ADs are idiots. They somehow manage to hire coaches who dominate the rest of the country in virtually every sport besides men's basketball, and despite what people think, the SEC is always one of the top 5 basketball leagues in the country too.

Not saying it isn't time for Stans to go. I think it probably is. But you people who think we're just going to magically make a great hire who is going to take us further than Stans did are living in a dream world. We might, but the odds are against it.</p>
 

OMlawdog

Redshirt
Feb 27, 2008
1,686
0
0
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

24-40 isn't mediocre. Its freaking terrible. Like I said, if you pick the worst 4 years of Stans at MSU his record is better than Johnson's. That is sick.

AK's worst four years at Ole Miss is 29-31. A model of NIT consistency.

Also, Trent Johnson turned a very good Stanford program into a fairly average one. I've debunked Johnson once before, I will try and find my post.
 

was21

Senior
May 29, 2007
9,928
581
113
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

nm
 

OMlawdog

Redshirt
Feb 27, 2008
1,686
0
0
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

<table summary="user post and replies"><tbody class="expandable thread-post even post reply OMlawdog post-read" id="post-id-310225"><tr class="collapsible-content"><td class="firstcol poster-detail">

</td><td class="lastcol post-content" colspan="4"><div class="post-body">

<div class="scrolling">

<div> Lets
first look at Johnson at Stanford. Stanford was a pretty good gig when
Johnson took over for Mike Montgomery. How good? Well in the previous
7 seasons Stanford went an incredible 188-40. Basically averaged 27-6
for seven seasons. They made the tournament during all seven years,
getting past the first round every year, going to one elite eight, and
one final four. the other five years they didn't get past the second
round. Not a perfect resume, but certainly a Top 10-20 program in the
country during this 7 year stretch.<div>
</div><div>Well
Montgomery leaves to go to the NBA and here comes Trent Johnson, the hot
name from Nevada. He promptly turns in a 18-13 record, (the worst
record at Stanford in a dozen years) and is one of the last teams in the
tourney and gets bounced in the first round. Follows that up with a
16-14 record and a trip to the NIT. Congratulations Coach Johnson, you
just broke an 11 year of NCAA tourney appearances. When you accomplish
something that hasn't been done in a dozen years at a school, that
certainly is noteworthy. Follows up that fantastic 2nd season with a
3rd season of 18-13 and once again gets a miracle bid to the NCAA
tourney, which of course they get bounced in the first round. Now I
will give you that Johnson's 4th season was strong. He went 26-8 in the
regular season and went to the sweet sixteen. Solid year at a once Top
20 program. In fact his best year 26-8, was an average year 27-6 at
Stanford before he got there. That is the best example of a bad hire,
his best effort is what his predecessor would have considered an average
season.</div><div>
</div><div>Im not going to break down his 5
years at Nevada. Im just going to post his record: 79-74, one tourney
appearance which was a sweet sixteen, that got him a gig at Stanford.</div><div>
</div><div>So to recap, Johnson's record at Stanford in 4 years: 80-48 The previous 7 years at Stanford: 188-40;</div><div>
</div><div>So basically he lost 8 more games in 3 less years. </div><div>
</div><div>That is Trent Johnson.</div></div></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table>

<table summary="user post and replies"><tbody class="expandable thread-post even post reply OMlawdog post-read" id="post-id-310225"><tr><td class="th post-subject">
</td><td class="th post-number">
</td><td class="th post-url">
</td><td class="th toggle lastcol">
</td></tr><tr class="collapsible-content"><td class="firstcol poster-detail">
</td><td class="lastcol post-content" colspan="4">
</td></tr></tbody></table>
 

idog

Freshman
Aug 17, 2010
586
69
28
Since it was being discussed last week, good ole Trent Johnson **** the bed last night....

DAWG61 said:
idog said:
maroonmania said:
to follow Stans to run our BB program (if it comes to that) are only about 50-50 AT BEST that they will do as well or better. Looking across the SEC it just seems to be a total crap shoot as to which coaches can come into the league and be even moderately successful. The only consistency you have now in the league is with Calipari at KY and Donovan with FL. Stallings at Vandy is just starting to now get fairly consistent but that would be 3 schools out of 12 at the most that have any semblance of a consistent winning program in the SEC.
we won'tbe able to make a Trent Johnson type hire, yet most think somehow we'll be better off than LSU has been withwhat many consider a solid hire that has resulted in mediocrity.

or just with hiring new coaches? We know what we've got with Stansbury and it's not good enough. There is no option here. We HAVE to hire a new coach to continue to build the program. It will probably mean taking a few steps back in order to move a few steps forward but that's the nature of the beast. Stop being a ***** and start getting excited for all the new opportunities a new coach can bring MSU.
why don't you use the intellect your attempting to flex and explainto me howMSU would be ableto make ahire equivalent to theone LSUdid,pullinga hot coach like Johnsonaway from a school like Stanford.