Singleton left OM?
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That yet another player isn't happy because he wasn't "given" what he
was "promised" on the recruiting trail.** It can't be that yet another
player is having these feelings.** Why would any UM freshman be unhappy after Nutt promised them the world before last signing day? What a joke.
was "promised" on the recruiting trail.** It can't be that yet another
player is having these feelings.** Why would any UM freshman be unhappy after Nutt promised them the world before last signing day? What a joke.
what do these WR's think they are getting themselves into when they committ to Houston's offense? Dude that quit after his freshmen season and then dropped out of JUCO later comes to mind.
this does not surprise me at all. Singleton is a "there's no I in team but there sure is an M and an E" guy. He's not going to be happy unless he's the star. And he's really not good enough to be a star in the SEC. I hated losing Brassell to UM, Singleton not so much.
apparently came close to leaving. the problem is simple. after being top dog in high school he finds himself at the bottom of the rotation of recievers at ole miss (that by the way is very good news for us. not so much for others). as was noted on SPS (after he committed to ole miss of course) the kid has an ego and attitude problem. 5* or not he's about the 4th or 5th best we've got right now and he doesn't get it. maybe he will or maybe he won't but if he does leave nobody at ole miss is going to cry a river. kid needs to get to work and get his act together.
Talented guy with a big ego and a head case. Hope he gets his attitude adjusted, it is a shame to see a lot of these guys with so much talent just waste their opportunities in life. He's already fortunate that his legal "issues" went away.
This is one of the reasons why always going after these prima donnas can sometimes hamper your intended efforts. Im not saying I wouldn't want them at MSU, but I am saying that coaches need to start keeping their asses in check and send them on their way if they act like wild indians. Saban does it, and he always has.
does it not seem at least a little coincidental that these so called "ego" kids seem to keep ending up at the same place(Ole Miss). Maybe there haven't been as many as it seems, but it does seem like there have been several over the last 2-3 years and it makes one start to wonder how much is really about ego and how much it has to do with unfilled promises. For some reason, when Nutt is involved, I have a suspicion that it has as much to do with the latter as it does with the former.
And might I add that I think our coaches being straight shooters and not kissing these prima donnas asses are the reason they ultimately choose UM on signing day. Mullen tells them they are going to have to earn their spot and makes no promises, while Nutt promises them the world just to get them on campus and hope they remain happy until/if they ever reach the playing field. Its a gamble both ways, but at least they arent misled by Mullen and he gets players who truly want to be there for all the right reasons. And after a few years they have developed past a 4 star high school and sometimes 5 star high school recruits.
This is the main difference between the two programs, "Right now" IMO.
This is the main difference between the two programs, "Right now" IMO.
I have noticed that. We signed 5 high school WRs last year. From reading the reports, you hear a lot about Moncrief (who I think is going to be a load to deal with before he's done by the way), Brassell, and Moore a good bit. You hear a little bit about Worthy on occasion too, but very little has been said about Singleton. Obviously he's been buried behind the returners (Harris, Logan, Sanders) and the newcomers at his position. I think falling behind at least 3 of his fellow freshmen has to be the most damning thing for him. Playing behind veterans is usually not as hard to swallow as falling behind players at your position in your class.
I had been wondering about that myself, and I could see him being frustrated with his position.
I hope he sticks around and gets to work to try to get better, but obviously we've got a pretty good crop of young WRs if he's having trouble competing with them.
I had been wondering about that myself, and I could see him being frustrated with his position.
I hope he sticks around and gets to work to try to get better, but obviously we've got a pretty good crop of young WRs if he's having trouble competing with them.
I think Mullen more or less tries to test the Super Star types, to find out if they are coach-able.
If they are not willing to work,... they will go where sunshine continues to be pumped.
If they are not willing to work,... they will go where sunshine continues to be pumped.
and I wondered it all last year during recruiting.
I'm a WR, and I have a choice between A and B. Three questions:
What offense do you run?
Coach A: Not really sure
Coach B: The spread
Who is your QB?
Coach A: No idea
Coach B: A returning starter
Who is your QB for the next 2-3 years?
Coach A: No idea
Coach B: We two Parade All-Americans already on campus, and a freshman coming in early who turned down TCU and LSU
Why the 17 would any WR choose A? And then, why would any WR be surprised when they showed up to campus and were "unhappy" with the situation?
I'm a WR, and I have a choice between A and B. Three questions:
What offense do you run?
Coach A: Not really sure
Coach B: The spread
Who is your QB?
Coach A: No idea
Coach B: A returning starter
Who is your QB for the next 2-3 years?
Coach A: No idea
Coach B: We two Parade All-Americans already on campus, and a freshman coming in early who turned down TCU and LSU
Why the 17 would any WR choose A? And then, why would any WR be surprised when they showed up to campus and were "unhappy" with the situation?
I like the idea of having kids here that want to play and want to earn their spot... Not thinking that they are doing us a favor by playing for us.
And before anyone says it, we passed more than MSU in 2009 when we won 9 games and MSU won 5 games, so it wasn't that we were playing from behind that was the sole reason we passed more in 2010.
Nutt is a run first coach, like most SEC coaches, but Mullen's offense is most always going to be even more run oriented than Nutt's. Given that you run a spread, with 4 WRs on the field quite often, I'd say that WRs in Mullen's offense would spend even more time downfield blocking than WRs in Nutt's offense do.
Nutt is a run first coach, like most SEC coaches, but Mullen's offense is most always going to be even more run oriented than Nutt's. Given that you run a spread, with 4 WRs on the field quite often, I'd say that WRs in Mullen's offense would spend even more time downfield blocking than WRs in Nutt's offense do.
Committed to y'all right after you threw the ball only 7 times against Florida. There's no way to try and understand why these 18 yo make the decisions they make, but we throw the ball, and the spread isn't good for WR stats so I don't know why you think thats a plus for y'all. We have two all Americans at QB as well fwiw
our Tyson Lee led offense to your Jevon For Heisman offense to say Nutt is more pass oriented than Mullen?
You passed more last year because your were behind. All the time. The same reason you'll probably pass more this year. Does this make your offense a better offense for a WR?
Nutt's known for making RBs. Not QBs, not WRs. Keep chunkin'.
You passed more last year because your were behind. All the time. The same reason you'll probably pass more this year. Does this make your offense a better offense for a WR?
Nutt's known for making RBs. Not QBs, not WRs. Keep chunkin'.
contrast between how Mullen is handling Maye and how Hootin Dale handled Masoli and others. It does appear Dale blows some major smoke up some guys butts and unfortunately it works against us sometimes especially with big ego kids. Mullen seems to attract the quiet, more humble kid which often doesn't line up with being a four or five star recruit. Different styles appeal to different personalities and there is definetly a big contrast between JH Mullen and Hootin Dale in their approach.
What offense do you run?
Coach A: Not really sure, but we just brought in a NFL coordinator and one of the top WR coaches in the country
Coach B: A run first spread option attack. RUN first.
Yes, Mullen runs the spread...but its a spread option. Even last year, OM still averaged more passing yards per game...barely. And yes, when Favre becomes your starter, you will throw the ball more (I love the Favre kid btw...and I think he will eventually surpass Russell) but as of right now, all a receiver has to look at is Mullen's record. They were a spread option team with a running QB at Utah, and a spread option running team with Tebow at Florida. And in his first 3 years at State, he is a spread option running team with Relf. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,...its probably a duck.
Who is your QB?
Coach A: No idea...but we have 3 really good options
Coach B: A returning starter
Who is your QB for the next 2-3 years?
Coach A: Randall Mackey(Parade All American/JUCO All American)
Barry Brunetti (Parade All American/US Army All american)
Zach Stoudt (#1 QB in the state of Ohio in 2008)
And OM & Bama are your front runners for Liggins...so there is another QB to add in there
Coach B: We two Parade All-Americans already on campus, and a freshman coming in early who turned down TCU and LSU
The honest truth is, if Singleton is really unhappy about not being the Man, then he is gonna be unhappy wherever he goes...unless its somewhere like USM(that did wonders for Deandre Brown) or Memphis(that did wonders for Duke Calhoun...huge waste of talent)
Well, thats my first post on the infamous SixPack. Over under on how long it takes for someone to rip me apart and yell at me to go back to my bear board?
Coach A: Not really sure, but we just brought in a NFL coordinator and one of the top WR coaches in the country
Coach B: A run first spread option attack. RUN first.
Yes, Mullen runs the spread...but its a spread option. Even last year, OM still averaged more passing yards per game...barely. And yes, when Favre becomes your starter, you will throw the ball more (I love the Favre kid btw...and I think he will eventually surpass Russell) but as of right now, all a receiver has to look at is Mullen's record. They were a spread option team with a running QB at Utah, and a spread option running team with Tebow at Florida. And in his first 3 years at State, he is a spread option running team with Relf. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck,...its probably a duck.
Who is your QB?
Coach A: No idea...but we have 3 really good options
Coach B: A returning starter
Who is your QB for the next 2-3 years?
Coach A: Randall Mackey(Parade All American/JUCO All American)
Barry Brunetti (Parade All American/US Army All american)
Zach Stoudt (#1 QB in the state of Ohio in 2008)
And OM & Bama are your front runners for Liggins...so there is another QB to add in there
Coach B: We two Parade All-Americans already on campus, and a freshman coming in early who turned down TCU and LSU
The honest truth is, if Singleton is really unhappy about not being the Man, then he is gonna be unhappy wherever he goes...unless its somewhere like USM(that did wonders for Deandre Brown) or Memphis(that did wonders for Duke Calhoun...huge waste of talent)
Well, thats my first post on the infamous SixPack. Over under on how long it takes for someone to rip me apart and yell at me to go back to my bear board?
I'll fix a couple of your misconceptions:gabbyjohnson said:
Who is your QB?
Coach A: No idea...but we have 3 UNKNOWN options AND NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM DID WE SIGN OUT OF HS
Coach B: A returning starter
Who is your QB for the next 2-3 years?
Coach A: Randall Mackey (IF WE CAN KEEP HIM OUT OF JAIL)
Barry Brunetti (CAME HERE BECAUSE HE COULDN'T HACK IT AT HIS OLD SCHOOL)
Zach Stoudt (CAME HERE BECAUSE HE COULDN'T HACK IT AT HIS OLD SCHOOL)
And OM & Bama are your front runners for Liggins...so there is another QB to add in there
Coach B: We two Parade All-Americans already on campus, and a freshman coming in early who turned down TCU and LSU
The point is that it's all in how you spin it. You can point to a few facts or opinions and say it should be no brainer for a WR to want to play at one school. Then you can turn around and make a sales pitch for another based on other facts and opinions to make it look like it should be a no brainer to go to the other school.
It's stupid to say you can't understand it when a player chooses one school over another when both work on a pretty level playing field.
It's stupid to say you can't understand it when a player chooses one school over another when both work on a pretty level playing field.
The ultimate point is that some of your fans are so delusional right now that you can't understand how anyone would NOT want to play for MSU or Mullen for any reason.
You really can't comprehend the fact that not everyone wants to play for MSU and Mullen and no decision, even for players in this class will be a slam dunk. Just try to put the shoe on the other foot and look at it objectively to see that there are plenty of selling points for both schools with players at any position. It's all in what you choose to highlight with a player.
I can look at both sides of the coin and see that there are arguments to be made for either school regardless of position. I don't think it's crazy or ridiculous for players to ever want to play for MSU. Personally I wouldn't, but I can see that for some it's going to be the best fit. I can also see that regardless of the coaching staffs, wins/losses in the short term, we're going to win recruiting battles and lose recruiting battles with MSU every year. Ultimately, the battle in-state is going to be close to 50/50 over time, always will be. Some of our fans and your fans have a hard time comprehending the fact that neither school will ever put the other one to death. Those fans (on both sides) think everything at School I Love is so much better than everything at School I Hate, that they truly can't believe any unbiased player would ever choose the other school without being bought.
That's why many of you have again convinced yourself that just about everyone you want in this coming class is an MSU lean, and when you ultimately lose a handful of those players to Ole Miss, that group of fans will believe the only way it was possible is because we bought them from perfect, clean MSU. The same will happen with fans on our side that are morons.
You really can't comprehend the fact that not everyone wants to play for MSU and Mullen and no decision, even for players in this class will be a slam dunk. Just try to put the shoe on the other foot and look at it objectively to see that there are plenty of selling points for both schools with players at any position. It's all in what you choose to highlight with a player.
I can look at both sides of the coin and see that there are arguments to be made for either school regardless of position. I don't think it's crazy or ridiculous for players to ever want to play for MSU. Personally I wouldn't, but I can see that for some it's going to be the best fit. I can also see that regardless of the coaching staffs, wins/losses in the short term, we're going to win recruiting battles and lose recruiting battles with MSU every year. Ultimately, the battle in-state is going to be close to 50/50 over time, always will be. Some of our fans and your fans have a hard time comprehending the fact that neither school will ever put the other one to death. Those fans (on both sides) think everything at School I Love is so much better than everything at School I Hate, that they truly can't believe any unbiased player would ever choose the other school without being bought.
That's why many of you have again convinced yourself that just about everyone you want in this coming class is an MSU lean, and when you ultimately lose a handful of those players to Ole Miss, that group of fans will believe the only way it was possible is because we bought them from perfect, clean MSU. The same will happen with fans on our side that are morons.
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