Do you guys still feel good about singleton picking us saturday? I feel like Brassell will pick ole miss since he is making another public decision, and he said its going to be a familyh decision.. Your Thoughts? By the way sorry if Germans.
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Do you guys still feel good about singleton picking us saturday? I feel like Brassell will pick ole miss since he is making another public decision, and he said its going to be a familyh decision.. Your Thoughts? By the way sorry if Germans.
Do you guys still feel good about singleton picking us saturday? I feel like Brassell will pick ole miss since he is making another public decision, and he said its going to be a familyh decision.. Your Thoughts? By the way sorry if Germans.
how can a group of recruits playing us like a deck of cards, while disappointing, actually make us look bad? To me, it just solidifies what even Croom knew about recruiting - never take them at their word. Am I missing something?
can't close the deal on these guys even when we win nine games, whip theReb's *** for the second year in a row and have all kinds of positive momentum going for us with our coach signing a new contract. If you see some positive in those guys signing with Ole MissI would like to hear it.
Steve Robertson is pretty much conceding Brassell this morning to the Reb's. He says he still feels ok on Singleton but lets face it history doesn't setup well for us on this. Again, I will glady eat crow but we have seen these games played before as Todd pointed out on Buckles, and let's add Carlos Thompson, Vincent, Pat/Pat to the list as well. It seem the Reb's get some satisfaction out of pulling this on us each year much like the satisfaction we got on Pegues I guess.
Let me close by saying I hate to lose these recruiting battles but in the end I think we will continue to improve as a team and things will be fine.
Steve Robertson is pretty much conceding Brassell this morning to the Reb's. He says he still feels ok on Singleton but lets face it history doesn't setup well for us on this. Again, I will glady eat crow but we have seen these games played before as Todd pointed out on Buckles, and let's add Carlos Thompson, Vincent, Pat/Pat to the list as well. It seem the Reb's get some satisfaction out of pulling this on us each year much like the satisfaction we got on Pegues I guess.
Let me close by saying I hate to lose these recruiting battles but in the end I think we will continue to improve as a team and things will be fine.
or anywhere but MSU, but damn, what else can we do? We've got better on-the-field performance, better coaching ... if some dubmass (esp a WR) would rather sit under Nutt and his crew for 4-5 years than Mullen, that makes him look like the idiot to me.
I'm not trying to agree or disagree about how bad it sucks, but as you point out, it's not the first time recruits have screwed us and it won't be the last. If the Rebs have any satisfaction, then by all means let it be in Jan/Feb.
I'm not trying to agree or disagree about how bad it sucks, but as you point out, it's not the first time recruits have screwed us and it won't be the last. If the Rebs have any satisfaction, then by all means let it be in Jan/Feb.
baited during the whole process instead of moving on and trying to get in on other players at the same position. But, if Singleton can't see that his future as a wr at that school doesn't look to rosy, he will have to live with it. The bottom line is that on the field, our coaching staff makes theirs look like a h.s. staff. The last two years have been beat downs (the score didn't indicate it though b/c they scored a few late) and Mullen has done it without the highly rated players. And if there are shenanigans going on, I look for Dan to stand on the accelerator if he has the chance next egg bowl.
to look at what role you would play in Nutt's offense (andno one really knows what that is exactly)and what role you would play in an evolving Mullen offense, look at what Sanders and Patterson (Nutt's two big WR recruits) have done, to look at the outlook for each program right now, and decide where you'd rather be a WR? If they go to OM, so be it.
UM on national television is not necessarily that they are going to UM but instead them announcing for us would have further ingrained us on a national level. We just thumped Michigan and then to have three of the AA game participants announce for us on a televised game would have been a big boost in later recruiting. If they do announce for UM then you have to give Nutt credit for stealing some of our thunder.
If I'm a WR looking for a good offense to play in, it's not Ole Miss OR MSU. I'm looking to Arkansas, Georgia, maybe Tennesee.
Neither Mullen nor Nutt have a strong history with WRs. The best role as a WR in Mullen's offense is if you can play the Percy Harvin back/receiver type role, which is what Bumphis does. Brassell may fit that well. If you're a pure WR, it's not a great offense to play in if you want to see the ball thrown your way.
I know a lot of it has to do with the style of QB you have, but you've been running the ball more than 2/3 of the time the last two years, and under Tebow at Florida it was typically the same type ratio. The only offenses this year that was more run heavy than yours in the SEC were Auburn and Florida. Florida just barely edged you out.
With a spread option, sure you get on the field as a WR, but the majority of the time it's as a blocker.
Neither Mullen nor Nutt have a strong history with WRs. The best role as a WR in Mullen's offense is if you can play the Percy Harvin back/receiver type role, which is what Bumphis does. Brassell may fit that well. If you're a pure WR, it's not a great offense to play in if you want to see the ball thrown your way.
I know a lot of it has to do with the style of QB you have, but you've been running the ball more than 2/3 of the time the last two years, and under Tebow at Florida it was typically the same type ratio. The only offenses this year that was more run heavy than yours in the SEC were Auburn and Florida. Florida just barely edged you out.
With a spread option, sure you get on the field as a WR, but the majority of the time it's as a blocker.
I want CJ, Nick, and Jermaine and Darion to come to State. We get them and I am not worried about Tobias. I Really want CJ, we need another outstanding linebacker to help with losses.
One way or another he will not be there. Just the fact that he was at Arkansas for 10 years and never made it to a BCS bowl game with the talent he had at times and Paterino gets there in two proves the man cannot coach. Many of those years LSU, Alabama and Auburn were down. Hell this is the toughest the West has beenin a while. In orderfor Nutt to win 7,8 or 9 games he has to have alot of talent around him. When the talent not there he wins 4 or 5 games. With Ole Miss Schedule they should have won at lest 7 games this year even with the players he had. I have been saying it all along and will keep saying it,"the man can't coach" and everyone says look what he did at Arkansas. It is not hard to win 7 or 8 games there. Yes the state Arkansas don't have the same amount of talent as the State of Mississippi but the University of Arkansas is the only school in Arkansas and can pick almost anyone they want. They don't get them all but hell they can get what they need. Arkansas St is nothing. Hell I know a guy who played football at Arkansas State but he's a Arkansas booster and goes to all of Arkansas games. Ole Miss will not improve next year. The schedule is tougher and they have not solved the QB issue and the Mazoli deal has set Ole Miss back another two year. Nutt is gone! He can't turn the program around fast enough to satisfied the fan base. Plus the money they are paying him and some of his assistant. The Ole Miss boosters are not going to keep on supporting it. You make 2.5 mill a year, you don't lose to Vandy or Jacksonville St.</p>
....I go play for Mullen, because it is obvious what kind of qb coach he is. Relf is a legit threat passing now. State is winning, and waiting in the wings is Tyler Russell who is a good passer and will presumptively be Relf's replacement in 2012, and if he doesn't workout, then Dylan Favre who is also a passing qb. Remember, Mullen coached Chris Leak and won a NC with him, so it doesn't have to be Georgia Tech football. He has said numerous times that he molds his offense around his talent.
You know right now that Nutt doesn't have much. Stanley, Mackey, and Stoudt are complete unknowns.
A wideout going to Ole Miss makes no sense.
You know right now that Nutt doesn't have much. Stanley, Mackey, and Stoudt are complete unknowns.
A wideout going to Ole Miss makes no sense.
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Jeremy Maclin</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Percy Harvin</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Derrick Williams</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Deon Butler</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Louis Murphy</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Austin Collie</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Jarrett Dillard</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">
</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111122" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">All of them drafted in 2009 and all of them played in spread offenses. Some may be more passorientedthan what we run but the misconception that the spread offense hurts you as areceivertrying to get to the NFL is just that, a misconception.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111122" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111122" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">Link to source website:</span></font>http://www.umvarsityblue.com/2009/05/the-spread-offense-wide-receivers-and-the-nfl/</div><div>
</div><div>Thanks again Michigan!</div><div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Jeremy Maclin</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Percy Harvin</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Derrick Williams</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Deon Butler</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Louis Murphy</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Austin Collie</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">Jarrett Dillard</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(17, 17, 34); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; ">
</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111122" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">All of them drafted in 2009 and all of them played in spread offenses. Some may be more passorientedthan what we run but the misconception that the spread offense hurts you as areceivertrying to get to the NFL is just that, a misconception.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111122" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111122" face="'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">Link to source website:</span></font>http://www.umvarsityblue.com/2009/05/the-spread-offense-wide-receivers-and-the-nfl/</div><div>
</div><div>Thanks again Michigan!</div><div>
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Rational thoughts have no place in this thread.
Let see...
-If TS & NB commit to OM, it is a grand scheme to make MSU look bad. We aren't simply recruiting players that we believe would make us better...we are trying to make them look bad...Buckles, PatPat, Thompson, Sanders.
-Brasell won't qualify, especially since Saunders has moved on to UL. Evidently, his formula was a bigger secret than KFCs.
-Their coaching staff, after one decent season, makes ours look like a HS staff.
-Because PatPat could make it in a college atmosphere and Sanders got redshirted, obviously it is foolish for a WR to go to OM. Nevermind that MSU recruited PatPat just as hard as us and he would have had the same problems had he chose MSU.
-Mullen's offense is more WR friendly. To hell with the numbers.
And that's just in this thread. </p>
Let see...
-If TS & NB commit to OM, it is a grand scheme to make MSU look bad. We aren't simply recruiting players that we believe would make us better...we are trying to make them look bad...Buckles, PatPat, Thompson, Sanders.
-Brasell won't qualify, especially since Saunders has moved on to UL. Evidently, his formula was a bigger secret than KFCs.
-Their coaching staff, after one decent season, makes ours look like a HS staff.
-Because PatPat could make it in a college atmosphere and Sanders got redshirted, obviously it is foolish for a WR to go to OM. Nevermind that MSU recruited PatPat just as hard as us and he would have had the same problems had he chose MSU.
-Mullen's offense is more WR friendly. To hell with the numbers.
And that's just in this thread. </p>
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I'm not supposed to be agreeing with you. I do disagree with some of the details, though. I think Pat Pat might have been a little happier at MSU since he grew up wanting to go there. But that's neither here nor there.
I'm well aware of my maroon-colored glasses, but that "best role you can hope for" is BS. In Mullen's offense, players with talent get a chance to show it. Period.
And it's not like "the next Harvin" is a bad thing. Bumphis will be a Junior when they get to either campus, and they're both 6-0 and 6-1, not 6-4. They better damn well learn to block if they want to have a future playing football.
And if running the football keeps kicking your ***, I'm all for it.
And it's not like "the next Harvin" is a bad thing. Bumphis will be a Junior when they get to either campus, and they're both 6-0 and 6-1, not 6-4. They better damn well learn to block if they want to have a future playing football.
And if running the football keeps kicking your ***, I'm all for it.
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Patterson was his own undoing.... not Nutt.<div>Sanders broke his jaw and reported to camp still trying to add back the weight he lost.... not Nutt's fault, but certainly a wise decision to redshirt him.</div><div>
</div><div>Ole Miss had 330 pass attempts this year, MSU had 288 pass attempts.</div><div>Ole Miss had 12.5 avg yds per catch, MSU had 14.4 avg yds per catch.</div><div>Ole Miss threw 14 INTs, MSU threw 13 INTs.</div><div>Ole Miss threw 17 TDs, MSU threw 18 TDs.</div><div>Ole Miss had 496 rush attempts this year, MSU had 619 rush attempts.</div><div>Ole Miss had 5.0 avg yds per rush, MSU had 4.5 avg yds per rush.</div><div>Ole Miss had an overall avg play of 5.8yds, MSU also had an overall avg play of 5.8yds.</div><div>Ole Miss had 826 total plays, MSU had 907 total plays.</div><div>Ole Miss had 399.8 avg yds per game, MSU had 401.3 avg yds per game.</div><div>Ole Miss had 30.6 PPG, MSU had 29.0 PPG.</div><div>
</div><div>These stats are based on both teams 2010 season following the Egg Bowl. There is not that much separation between offenses as far as passing is concerned. If anything, these stats show a larger lean towards MSU running and possessing the ball than they do MSU throwing the ball in a passing attack of higher capacity than Ole Miss'.</div>
</div><div>Ole Miss had 330 pass attempts this year, MSU had 288 pass attempts.</div><div>Ole Miss had 12.5 avg yds per catch, MSU had 14.4 avg yds per catch.</div><div>Ole Miss threw 14 INTs, MSU threw 13 INTs.</div><div>Ole Miss threw 17 TDs, MSU threw 18 TDs.</div><div>Ole Miss had 496 rush attempts this year, MSU had 619 rush attempts.</div><div>Ole Miss had 5.0 avg yds per rush, MSU had 4.5 avg yds per rush.</div><div>Ole Miss had an overall avg play of 5.8yds, MSU also had an overall avg play of 5.8yds.</div><div>Ole Miss had 826 total plays, MSU had 907 total plays.</div><div>Ole Miss had 399.8 avg yds per game, MSU had 401.3 avg yds per game.</div><div>Ole Miss had 30.6 PPG, MSU had 29.0 PPG.</div><div>
</div><div>These stats are based on both teams 2010 season following the Egg Bowl. There is not that much separation between offenses as far as passing is concerned. If anything, these stats show a larger lean towards MSU running and possessing the ball than they do MSU throwing the ball in a passing attack of higher capacity than Ole Miss'.</div>
offense you'll be playing in and what level of success your team will be having is irrelevant to a recruit.
Bumphis, so far Mullen's main WR recruit, has caught 70-something passes in two seasons in a run-heavy offense.Several other WRs on this year's squad caught 15+. Patterson, Nutt's big WR recruit,caught 11 and disappeared. Sanders, Nutt's other big WR recruit,redshirted on a team whose WRs were below average.
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I didn't say there was anything wrong with running the ball, just that your offense isn't the type of offense that features WRs. That's just a fact. Neither is ours.
Still, both coaches can point to WRs that have had success in their offenses, despite the fact that they aren't WR friendly offenses.
Most likely, with these particular players, they think they are good enough playmakers that it doesn't matter what offense they play in, they'll get the ball. So they're probably not really looking that hard at the style of offense.
Still, both coaches can point to WRs that have had success in their offenses, despite the fact that they aren't WR friendly offenses.
Most likely, with these particular players, they think they are good enough playmakers that it doesn't matter what offense they play in, they'll get the ball. So they're probably not really looking that hard at the style of offense.
That's pretty funny considering here are the recievers that were draftedwhile Mullen was at FloridaRebelBruiser said:
Riley Cooper
Louis Murphy
Percy Harvin
Chad Jackson
Dallas Baker
Andre Caldwell
Aaron Hernandez (TE in college but lines up at WR a lot in pro)
boom roasted
isn't that OM is recruiting them just to make us look bad. Obviously OM is recruiting them because they're good players and OM is trying to win games just like everybody else. Of course you'd recruit them. I think the assertion was that when/where they announce could be engineered to make us look bad. I disagree with this, but that's what the poster was inferring.
And I would agree that after this past season, results as they are, State's staff did make OM's staff look like a bunch of Friday Night heroes. That's pretty much dead on no matter how much you don't like it.
And I would agree that after this past season, results as they are, State's staff did make OM's staff look like a bunch of Friday Night heroes. That's pretty much dead on no matter how much you don't like it.
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Nutt can most definitely point to using wide receivers. Mike Wallace and Shay Hodge. End of discussion.
Saying Mullen's offense doesn'tfeature wide receivers? Come on, Bruiser, that's stupid. Let's not go overboard. You look at this **** too deeply. If the guys are good enough, they'll get the ball. It really in that simple. I know it's hard for us fans of the small schools to realize, but usually a 4* recruits is just a solid player in the SEC, nothing special, like Chad Bumphis.
Saying Mullen's offense doesn'tfeature wide receivers? Come on, Bruiser, that's stupid. Let's not go overboard. You look at this **** too deeply. If the guys are good enough, they'll get the ball. It really in that simple. I know it's hard for us fans of the small schools to realize, but usually a 4* recruits is just a solid player in the SEC, nothing special, like Chad Bumphis.
Grown men are all worried about what High School kids is thinking. These may be good high school players, but they are no Cam Newton. Let them have their spotlight on TV and if they commit to STATE, then that's great. If they don't, then oh well. I doubt Mullen and our other coaches are as worried as some of you recruiting idiots...
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You had 4 WRs catch at least 20 passes this year. No other WR caught double digits. We had 4 WRs catch at least 20 passes this year. No other WR caught double digit balls.
Those top 4 WRs for us had 1594 yards receiving. Your 4 had 1576 receiving yards. I believe all 4 of those receivers return for you this fall. Our top receiver graduates.
So again, the stats are similar. If you're selling the fact that a future with Russell at QB is better than a future with Mackey, Brunetti, Miller, whoever, then that's a fine argument, though it's still an unknown. A few years ago, it would've sounded like playing in Meyer's offense with Brantley would be a good future. That obviously wasn't the case.
The numbers though don't suggest that Mullen's offense is anymore WR friendly than ours right now. I'm sure we're also going to sell the numbers Hodge and Wallace put up, along with selling the way we let McCluster play multiple positions, especially to guys that probably think they can play any position on the field.
Just saying, if you take off the maroon colored glasses and try to view it from both sides of the table, it's not as cut and dried as you make it out to be.
I didn't even mention Mullen's offense. I mentioned two things: on-the-field results and coaching. You can go for offensive coaching in general, the ability to use different weapons in the offense successfully, the ability to develop a QB, the ability to work miracles in the weight room, or some others.
Beyond that, I don't see how you'd call Nutt's offense "WR friendly" either. You had exactly 1 WR with over 500 yards, and so did we. To hell with the numbers.
All I did was provide some stats in a discussion about MSU's passing offense vs Ole Miss' passing offense. I've admitted before, you guys had the better season. Never denied that. I'm sure these same stats likely comparable for the '09 seasons of both teams.
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We threw the ball more than you last year when we were winning and you were losing.
Again, we aren't a pass happy/WR friendly offense. Neither is Mullen's offense. That's the point. Both coaches can sell certain players and certain success if they want to, but it's not a clear cut "if I'm a WR this is definitely the offense I want to play in" type decision. That's all I'm saying.
And again, yes you won this year, but you won because your defense was pretty good. We lost this year because our defense was the worst defense in the school's history. The offense we had was very similar to yours in its production. Swap defensive staffs and players, and the results of our seasons would flip.
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First of all, I wasn't replying to you only.
However, you did reply to me...
I never called either offense "WR friendly". It was one of your fellow dawgs trying to make the point that your offense is more WR friendly. I merely posted the fact that we threw the ball more often than you guys.
If you'll try to follow the thread rationally, you'll see that I don't see either offense as WR friendly. I'm not trying to prove anything, other than how absurd some of the statements above are.