**SixPack Exclusive- Clarion Ledger Sports Editor Zack Creglow responds...

dawgstudent

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to why Hugh Kellenberger wrote the article on Dak Prescott. I mentioned to DCD on twitter yesterday that it would have been better received if a "non-biased" reporter would have written the article. Reading it from the Ole Miss beat writer makes alarms sound everywhere. Zack responded on twitter saying he would be happy to explain and below is his response. I also asked would it be ok to post his email and what's in blue is his answer to that.

Stephen:

There’s a ton of content budgeting nuance that goes into my decision-making so I’ll try to be as clear as possible, but if you have any additional questions, let me know.


First, I just want to make a few points on the content. You and everyone else is completely within their right to agree/disagree. But I try to anticipate what additional questions/comments readers and viewers may have and best explain how this was viewed on the production end.

I want to establish the premise a bit: The argument was that, while Dak is a promising quarterback, it’s too early to begin talking Heisman for him – and everyone in college football – and that such talk is premature in July. For those who found it to be negative, I just want to point out this as well: It’s not until the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] graph where any critique of Prescott is mentioned. And the critique is something that he, his coaches and most agree on: His passing skills need refinement. And immediately following that graph is this:

But Prescott did win (the Egg Bowl), with his legs but also his arm. There's a consistent chorus about Prescott's arm strength, and it's shown when Prescott makes tight throws across the middle of the field.
"He challenged us," Texas A&M defensive back Deshazor Everett said. "That was actually the one game where I was in perfect position in coverage and, bam, the receiver catches the ball. It was just a great throw, and he was throwing the ball all over the field."
And, especially for a still-young quarterback, he looks comfortable moving off his primary receiver and finding the second and third options. He did that against Ole Miss, moving the Bulldogs down the field to tie the game as a result.

To address some other questions/comments/concerns I’ve received this week:

1. We did not write that MSU and Prescott is orchestrating his Heisman candidacy. I’ve received the criticism that we did a lot this week.

To pull verbatim from the text: “No school should ever spend another dime on a Heisman Trophy campaign. That, if nothing else, is what Dak Prescott's offseason proved. Based largely on a handful of very complimentary comments from an ESPN analyst, an Egg Bowl comeback and a Liberty Bowl rout, Mississippi State's Prescott went from an unknown SEC quarterback to potential "Heisman Trophy contender." It was an aggressive promotional campaign run almost exclusively by talk radio, message boards and social media.”
2. A lot of people have asked why we focused on the Heisman talk and not the quality of his character (and his resolve shown following the death of his mother, and during her illness). First, at SEC Media Days and within this state throughout the spring/summer, there’s been significant talk about Dak as a potential Heisman candidate. Really, since ESPN’s Jesse Palmer brought it up, that’s been a major topic discussed by college football fans here. So that’s where the conversation is at the moment in regards to Dak Prescott. His leadership ability was mentioned in Kellenberger’s analysis, and beyond that, I am happy to provide links to previous stories we have written about Dak that have illustrated his character.

3. Yes, I know Bo Wallace makes mistakes too. And we have reported on them, including a sidebar in Friday’s newspaper from Michael Bonner that went over how his Egg Bowl struggles have continued to haunt him. But Hugh’s point was never Bo Wallace is superior to Dak Prescott, or vice versa. But I get this a lot.

OK, all that being said about the content, I understand readers/viewers will disagree. That comes with the territory of writing about things that people passionately care about. Above, I only want to establish our mindset and what did/didn’t write. I get it. I am a die-hard fan of the Chicago Bears. I draw my blinds and call my high school football coach to talk during the games. There’s times I read/hear/see a critique of Jay Cutler in June and get red-faced because this, as a fan, is a time of the year for largely unbridled optimism. But I also know that they are responsible in tempering my hopes that Cutler will throw for 4,200 yards and 38 touchdowns, or perhaps just play all 16 games.

Now as to why Hugh Kellenberger wrote about Mississippi State.

On the days where Ole Miss or Mississippi State met the media, I asked the lead beat reporter to write the main print item. That’s the “Take Five.” The Take Fives hit on much more than a traditional story, which is why I like them – blankets more topics – but they are lengthy. The other reporter handles the other big story from the day.

Hugh writing about MSU was not anomaly. Two days later, Michael Bonner, who as you know is tasked primarily with covering Mississippi State, wrote about Bo Wallace.

Years ago, you may have seen the individual beat reporter handle multiple print stories for the newspaper. But you have to keep in mind, we are much more than just a newspaper now. During SEC Media Days, each reporter produced five or more text items for the website and did video work with our video journalist Courtney Cronin throughout the day. It’s a haul. So we maximize our coverage abilities by using both reporters.

In advance, I explained to the reporters what I wanted covered and that included Hugh writing about Dak at the SEC Media Days. After Mississippi State met the media, he and I discussed the angle and we went ahead with coverage. If there’s complaints of why something ran, that always lies with me and not the individual reporter.

Was there other angles available to us? Sure. But as the person who is responsible for our content, I found Hugh’s analysis of the Dak-for-Heisman situation to be well-reasoned.




Note: You had asked if I wanted it posted on your site. As with any response I send to a concerned reader/viewer, I have no control of what happens after I hit “send.” I am writing this to you as someone who expressed concern over our coverage, and I am doing my best to explain the methodology behind why we did what we did. So that’s my non-response response on that: I don’t care.

Again, I apologize for the length but I tend to give readers/viewers as full of a response as I can.

Thanks.

Zack Creglow
Sports editor | Jackson (Miss.) Clarion-Ledger
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My response:
My question and what I will post on sixpack as well - The angle taken would have been so much more well received if you would have wrote the article. I guess newspapers have changed where editors don't write editorials. And that's not a smartass question - I am being sincere when I ask why you didn't write it?
 
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dawgstudent

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He answered my response:

I ask our reporters to do a lot of analysis, because they are the ones who are most-plugged into those areas. My attention is spread across a lot, with both the print and digital platforms, and frankly, you get better content by the people who are plugged into college football, high school sports and recruiting being the ones writing that analysis than me. For example, you saw that in Saturday’s and today’s paper with Riley Blevins analyzing news from the Big Dawg Camp. I felt that the angle Hugh was taking functioned best as an analysis piece, so that’s why it appeared as such.


I wouldn’t ask/allow someone who was not well-versed in a subject to write about it. Hugh’s a Heisman voter and a veteran college football writer.

So that’s the gist of it.

I replied with:

Fair enough. I appreciate your response.



The link on sixpack is here if you care to read responses
 
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It still looks bad to me. Hugh shouldn't have been writing about State and Mike shouldn't have been writing about Ole Miss.
 

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1. We did not write that MSU and Prescott is orchestrating his Heisman candidacy. I’ve received the criticism that we did a lot this week.

To pull verbatim from the text: “No school should ever spend another dime on a Heisman Trophy campaign. That, if nothing else, is what Dak Prescott's offseason proved.

While not directly saying that, it sure is a very strong implication. How did Dak Prescott's offseason prove that no school should ever spend another dime on a Heisman trophy campaign? By not spending a dime, MSU proved nobody should spend a dime? I guess because he still got the hype despite not spending a dime?

it’s too early to begin talking Heisman for him – and everyone in college football – and that such talk is premature in July.

The point Hugh seemed to be drilling home wasn't that it was too early to be discussing it, it was that Dak hasn't done anything to earn the publicity--going as far as pulling stats from a QB and comparing them to past Heisman winners (despite Dak not being our starting QB for the whole season--how can you not mention this in that place in the article if you are trying to be objective). Also, funny how he can pull a comparison to past Heisman winners, but he offers no comparison to other preseason Heisman players receiving hype saying they also didn't deserve the talk. Apparently Dak is the only one not deserving the attention.
 

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Hugh wrote that piece to show why the Dak hype is premature. Hence the comment about his numbers from last season, while not mentioning that he wasn't the QB all season. The editor must think we're all a bunch of idiots. Trying to spin what was posted is a weak response, and I would have rather this guy said, "It may have gone a little too far about Dak not being deserved of the hype thus far, but it drew in readers so it accomplished our goal", or something to that effect. To try and act like an entire fan base and even people outside of our fan base are "reading it wrong" is pathetic in my opinion.

Oh well, maybe we should just send him an email every week during the season saying, "Has he earned the hype yet?", "what about now?"...

Silly response from him, and the length of it shows that he knew he had some splainin to do.
 

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So for MSU SEC Media day, the OM reporter writes an opinion piece why the MSU qb is not heisman candidate discussion worthy. Their response is MSU fans should agree with this OM reporter and not discuss it because no fan should have heisman or national title aspirations in the preseason. Brilliant! Were there any articles for OM SEC Media day telling their fans that it's foolish to discuss SEC championship potential the media and their fans discussing?
 

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You may want to send him this link as an exemplar of journalism with the cup half-full.

And here's a pull verbatim from the text:**
He is No. 1 in Mississippi State history in completion percentage at .588 after hitting 156 of 267 last year for 1,940 yards and 10 touchdowns against seven interceptions in just seven starts.

I was disappointed that he's the editor of a paper and has such an underwhelming style. Maybe he should have had someone write his response for him.
 

CadaverDawg

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How bout these, Zack....

If you're a believer in the power of Dak, his attendance on Tuesday at SEC Media Days was another chance to bring others to your flock. Surely his engaging personality would dazzle interviewers, who would immediately join college football analyst Jesse Palmer in discussing Prescott alongside Tim Tebow. Teammates and peers talked glowingly about Prescott, describing him as a jokester and selfless leader.


Again, this is a dog-and-pony show. A well-attended, nationally televised one, but media days are still just chances to look good in a suit. At no point was Prescott asked to throw a football or go through a progression against a cover-two scheme.


or my favorite...


And when you take it down to just on-field results, Prescott is an encouraging prospect with a lot of natural skills and ability. But he also has deficiencies.


Prescott completed 58.4 percent of his passes in 2013, 11th among the 13 SEC quarterbacks with enough attempts to qualify. He threw 10 touchdowns to seven interceptions, a TD-to-INT ratio more on par with Arkansas' Brandon Allen (13-10) than Manziel. Prescott's ability to run (829 yards, 13 touchdowns) masked a 11-for-28 passing effort within the redzone. During the Egg Bowl comeback, he nearly threw an interception with six minutes remaining and made a couple of poor decisions and throws on run/pass read-options.





Right, it was about the Heisman projections as a whole, correct Zack? STFU
 

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While not directly saying that, it sure is a very strong implication. How did Dak Prescott's offseason prove that no school should ever spend another dime on a Heisman trophy campaign? By not spending a dime, MSU proved nobody should spend a dime? I guess because he still got the hype despite not spending a dime?



The point Hugh seemed to be drilling home wasn't that it was too early to be discussing it, it was that Dak hasn't done anything to earn the publicity--going as far as pulling stats from a QB and comparing them to past Heisman winners (despite Dak not being our starting QB for the whole season--how can you not mention this in that place in the article if you are trying to be objective). Also, funny how he can pull a comparison to past Heisman winners, but he offers no comparison to other preseason Heisman players receiving hype saying they also didn't deserve the talk. Apparently Dak is the only one not deserving the attention.

I understand the premise of the story, I really do. I get where Zach is coming from too.

But whatever he wants to say, Hugh and The Clarion-Ledger came off as sour grapes.

I agree that a school should never run a Heisman campaign ever again based on the last 2 winners (or really the last 10) and now Dak's hype, but the WAY it was written, then coupled with us already feeling slighted by CL and it being written by an Ole Miss beatwriter who already comes of smug, I perceived it as an attempt to **** on Dak and MSU fans' excitement. A perfect example is "he only completed 58% of his passes and had 7 interceptions" without also mentioning he essentially only played half a season, mostly only against SEC competition.

I'd feel the same way if Bonner wrote it. It's 100% on par with his repeated articles talking about how MSU players are homophobic when the Michael Sam story broke.

The comparison to 'mean' articles written about Jay Cutler is also dumb, because without doing any research I would be willing to bet a Bulls, Sox, or Cubs writer for the Sun isn't writting editorials about how Jay sucks, isn't worth the money, and how they should have started McCown the 2nd half of the season.
 

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After Mississippi State met the media, he and I discussed the angle and we went ahead with coverage. If there’s complaints of why something ran, that always lies with me and not the individual reporter.

Was there other angles available to us? Sure. But as the person who is responsible for our content, I found Hugh’s analysis of the Dak-for-Heisman situation to be well-reasoned.

Very poor decision. You mean you actually had a meeting with the reporter and decided it WOULD be a good idea for a rival team's beat
reporter to write an article that downplays the other teams star player? All while "there was other angles" available to you? No wonder the CL isn't doing well.
 

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Why don't they rotate their writers annually?

That's what they do at the Daily Journal. Both writers catch an equal amount of hell.
 

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For me, the fact that the article came out just after Kellenberger had a twitter spat with one of our athletic department staff contributed to it looking like sour grapes.
 

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Zack's a bitter *****. The fact that he referred to Dak as "an unheard of QB last year" says all I need to hear. Dak was highly recruited by several schools INCLUDING OM's "real rival", LSU. To call him "unheard of" is just being a little Hotty toddy beeatch.
 
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It's much more than Hugh just deciding to write a negative article about Dak.

In advance, I explained to the reporters what I wanted covered and that included Hugh writing about Dak at the SEC Media Days. After Mississippi State met the media, he and I discussed the angle and we went ahead with coverage. If there’s complaints of why something ran, that always lies with me and not the individual reporter. "


obviously .... looks like he was part of the double team ....
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"You and everyone else is completely within their right to agree/disagree."

This guy is the editor for the whole Sports section? WOW. I get that it's an email, but COME ON, MAN, you do words for a living.

#oneexampleofmany
 

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Zack, if you need a reason to never let Hugh write about Mississippi Stateever again, look no further. The following discourse happened on twitter the day before Hugh wrote the article about Dak.



There is way more to our dislike of Hugh, and honestly, it is warranted. He constantly verbalizes his dislike for State in his tweets (when it's not even his job to cover State), like this tweet today:


Why the heck does Hugh need to say these things? Is it true? Sure. But just because you can say something, doesn't mean that you should. Here is an obvious example of Hugh pandering to his crowd. Solid journalistic objectivity.

It goes farther, too. I, personally, (and I think others feel the same) always feel that he is pandering to his Ole Miss crowd, which gets on my nerves enough because journalists are supposed to be objective; Bonner is certainly not doing that for State fans (see the Michael Sam/State football player tweets incident; Hugh would NEVER report that). In fact, I have enjoyed Bonner's objectivity, to some extent, and I appreciate the job he is doing. Hugh has never been objective- or at the very least tried to look objective. But the last straw is when he writes an editorial attacking OUR star player. There is no need to do that. There really isn't even a justification for it; it was a bad idea all around.
 

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Maybe he's stirring the pot in the "any press is good press" vein

But the article comes off so petty and smelling of sour grapes, and him not just approving the article but co-authoring the idea show some very poor judgement.
 

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That's not correct. Parrish has been the Ole Miss beat writer for years.
 

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I'm confused by the Gregory/Kellenberger exchange. Did Bart clap or not?
 

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The entire thing is silly. If you put your OM guy on a State story, or vice versa, make sure there is a short leash and better oversight.
 

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Gotcha. That makes the "it was me" comment even better. Do your thing, Bart Gregory.
 

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it too soon to be talking about he15man just like its too soon to be talking about bowl projections and how the sec will finish, but it doesnt stop everyone and their brother from talking about it and yet it is freely accepted all while media and coaches are encouraged to contribute. its the off-season and hardly a topic that warrants an opinion piece from a beat writer that doesnt even cover msu. it was out of line ********, but he IS free to write whatever garbage he wants. im holding my breath on the follow-up article that chastises himself and his fellow media members for projecting the finish of the sec and projected bowl match-ups. i suspect he is guilty of exactly that, but that would be an inconveniently hypocritical, so lets not talk about that.
 

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Anyone compelled to Use that much verbiage to explain that event

to why Hugh Kellenberger wrote the article on Dak Prescott. I mentioned to DCD on twitter yesterday that it would have been better received if a "non-biased" reporter would have written the article. Reading it from the Ole Miss beat writer makes alarms sound everywhere. Zack responded on twitter saying he would be happy to explain and below is his response. I also asked would it be ok to post his email and what's in blue is his answer to that.



My response:

Is hopeless! Turrrible
 

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it too soon to be talking about he15man just like its too soon to be talking about bowl projections and how the sec will finish, but it doesnt stop everyone and their brother from talking about it and yet it is freely accepted all while media and coaches are encouraged to contribute. its the off-season and hardly a topic that warrants an opinion piece from a beat writer that doesnt even cover msu. it was out of line ********, but he IS free to write whatever garbage he wants. im holding my breath on the follow-up article that chastises himself and his fellow media members for projecting the finish of the sec and projected bowl match-ups. i suspect he is guilty of exactly that, but that would be an inconveniently hypocritical, so lets not talk about that.
The thing is, before Cam came out of nowhere and won it it was TOTALLY acceptable for schools to promote 100/1 players. I always point back to Ryan Mallet... Incredible arm, got "Heisman" plastered everywhere going into his last year, but he fell short... And no one is sitting here today making fun of Arkansas for it.

There's this preconceived notion that we can't prop a guy up who's OBVIOUSLY not going to win it (raise your hand if you honestly believe he has a chance? It's fun to talk about... But it ends there) or else it's going to be embarrassing and people 10 years from now are going to make fun of it. Everyone who either Ole Miss or MSU fans like are automatically going to turn out like Snead, and that's just not the case.

Dak has a pretty high 17ing floor. He has an incredible ceiling. But if he scrapes by at his floor his final two years, we're still going to be in a good place.

Now, if at mid-season Dak and MSU are nothing more than totally average... Write this article.
 

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Nobody wants a beat writer to do anything but pump sunshine for their side. These guys are not journalists, and if they want to be journalists, they should just move on.

E.g. Kyle Veazey is a very good journalist. He finally got the gig with the Commercial Appeal that lets him do real stories. I like reading his work, but nobody wants him writing articles about the Pony as the beat writer for MSU.

So if what people want is their guy talking about all the good things about their team, why in the hell would they want the rival's guy brining the them down to "reality". Come on. Know your customer.

One thing to note. I'm no CL conspiracy theorist, but this would not have happened the other way around. It's not that the CL has an agenda, but they know how batshit crazy the UM fan base is. It is completely not worth getting them all worked up.
 

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It still looks bad to me. Hugh shouldn't have been writing about State and Mike shouldn't have been writing about Ole Miss.

Just my opinion but the article had not journalistic justification. While most if not all of Hugh's points were accurate and factual, he didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know. In other words since there was no new information or a new angle then about the only conclusion I can draw is that it was indeed sour grapes. That said, Hugh has become a UM "Homer"
 

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And if you poll State fans - 95% will agree that the odds of Dak even making it to NYC is slim to none. But hell - as a fan - I'm going to have fun with the talk by the national media saying he is a possible candidate.
 

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You are correct.

I thought I remembered Parrish and Gregg Ellis? swapping beats every year and John Pitts commenting on the subject. It's been a while since I have paid attention to the writers.(Locke covered MSU for 5 years)

my question now: Why don't they rotate?
 

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Has Creglow appeared on This is Our Show? If not, might be good to get some more info from the perspective of the sports editor of the Clarion-Ledger regarding what's behind the curtain re: reasoning... Not that I'm asking for justification, more like what is his role and how has that role changed over time, etc. Just a thought.
 

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They usually live in Oxford and Starkville, I believe (perhaps not with the DJ). Moving would be pretty tough, especially if you have a family.
 

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I don't want a beat writer to do nothing but "pump sunshine..." I want objective, factual, well thought, and professional coverage that provides meaningful insight. That's a beat writer's job. Bob Carskadon should pump sunshine... but an independent news source, I just expect to be objective, truthful, and professional.

HOWEVER, it crosses the line when another beat writer (particularly of a rival school) does a condescending opinion article that is quite obviously trying to push an agenda for his beat's followers regarding someone else's beat. I feel it's quite unprofessional because all it does is piss off many subscribers and continues to discredit you as a legitimate news source and instead, makes you look like a tabloid that follows the notion of "doing anything to generate clicks." This is the big reason I no longer follow the CL and don't care to give them credit for anything. I like Bonner for the most part, but the paper as a whole is a total joke and I'm not going to give them views for this very reason.

I also believe if the shoe were on the other foot and Bonner wrote that same article about Wallace (if Wallace was getting any kind of legitimate Heisman talk) and pissed on the OM faithful's parade, that the article would never have seen the light of day.
 
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Could you see Cecil Hurt(Bama beat writer) writing an article on Nick Marshall and his "over-hype" for Heisman? Hell no..
 

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Here's the issue I have with the article. The C-L has no problem at all with hyping UM's recruiting classes 52 weeks a year, but when an MSU player starts to get some hype, suddenly they have a problem with it. I actually agree with the main point of the article (even though it was a little too over the top) that Dak hasn't really quite earned all this hype yet, but for God's sake, be consistent C-L.
 

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Hugh wrote that piece to show why the Dak hype is premature. Hence the comment about his numbers from last season, while not mentioning that he wasn't the QB all season. The editor must think we're all a bunch of idiots. Trying to spin what was posted is a weak response, and I would have rather this guy said, "It may have gone a little too far about Dak not being deserved of the hype thus far, but it drew in readers so it accomplished our goal", or something to that effect. To try and act like an entire fan base and even people outside of our fan base are "reading it wrong" is pathetic in my opinion.

Oh well, maybe we should just send him an email every week during the season saying, "Has he earned the hype yet?", "what about now?"...

Silly response from him, and the length of it shows that he knew he had some splainin to do.

Yes..."Methinks he protests too much."