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LHSTigers94

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stripes13 said:
Here's the only similarity that matters: coaches leave before bowl gamesbc they are getting more money. Players are skipping bowl games for the chance to make money.

The only difference is prior to each making the decision only one of them was getting paid.

Somehow public opinion always go against the player.
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You missed the huge difference. A coach HAS to leave to solidify recruits for next year. If signing day was pushed back another month, you would see more coaches finishing out the bowl season with their team. Similar to how when Coordinators switch team, they don't leave until after the bowl game or at least put the bowl game plan together before they leave.

Kids don't HAVE to miss to the bowl game to go to the NFL. As of right now, we don't know if that will help or hurt their stock. It's something they are trying and we will see how it ends. As stated before, my only issue is the mentality or the fear of getting hurt in football. If you truly feel that way, why are you playing the game. Most NFL dollars aren't guaranteed like basketball.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
You missed the huge difference. A coach HAS to leave to solidify recruits for next year. If signing day was pushed back another month, you would see more coaches finishing out the bowl season with their team. Similar to how when Coordinators switch team, they don't leave until after the bowl game or at least put the bowl game plan together before they leave.

Kids don't HAVE to miss to the bowl game to go to the NFL. As of right now, we don't know if that will help or hurt their stock. It's something they are trying and we will see how it ends. As stated before, my only issue is the mentality or the fear of getting hurt in football. If you truly feel that way, why are you playing the game. Most NFL dollars aren't guaranteed like basketball.
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not quite accurate. they don't "have" to leave to solidify recruits they CHOOSE to leave then b/c their NEW employer wants them there immediately. the dead period for recruits runs Dec. 11 - Jan 8 this year so they are not solidifying them other than electronic communication.

the players are leaving because they CHOOSE to in order to preserve their ability, real or imagined, to be able to perform for their new potential employers. They are making a completely rational business decision, just like the coaches are. they are playing the game at the next level for MONEY. For the players in the first round, especially the top half of it, about 50% of the money has been guaranteed in recent years.
 
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Normdog said:
not quite accurate. they don't "have" to leave to solidify recruits they CHOOSE to leave then b/c their NEW employer wants them there immediately. the dead period for recruits runs Dec. 11 - Jan 8 this year so they are not solidifying them other than electronic communication.

the players are leaving because they CHOOSE to in order to preserve their ability, real or imagined, to be able to perform for their new potential employers. They are making a completely rational business decision, just like the coaches are. they are playing the game at the next level for MONEY. For the players in the first round, especially the top half of it, about 50% of the money has been guaranteed in recent years.
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If your new employer wants you there immediately, how is a choice? I am a little confused on that statement.

If NFL scouts are telling the kids to not play in the game, then I would agree with your comparison 100%. To my knowledge, no one is telling the athlete to do this, it is there concern about safety which to me contradicts the sport of football.
 
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Is it smart? Absolutely, but I understand why some "footballheads" disagree. I also think this is a good sign someone is a 100%er, and I hated playing with those.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
If NFL scouts are telling the kids to not play in the game, then I would agree with your comparison 100%. To my knowledge, no one is telling the athlete to do this, it is there concern about safety which to me contradicts the sport of football.
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Consider this: the next big evaluation for McCaffrey and Fournette are their pro days, since both (especially Fournette) are projected to be 1st round picks I don't anticipate them performing at the combine. Normally, the top prospects show up at the combine and get measured and weighed only. Therefore, it's in their best interest to prepare for the 40, vertical, long jump, benching 225 etc. etc. That type of training is different than football training. Skipping the bowl games will not only allow each to heal up the injuries they've been nursing this year, it will also allow them more time for the combine-type training. How many top picks' draft stock has dropped because they ran a bad 40? It's happened often, especially for RB's. In my view, these guys are getting a head start on a job interview/evaluation.

And, I agree with Saban. Unless the player is playing on one of the 4 teams competing for a national championship, these other bowls are pretty much meaningless, except for the revenue that it generates for their respective schools. And why should a player be concerned about that? These schools have already made a lot of money off them. They don't owe these schools anymore than they've already given.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
You missed the huge difference. A coach HAS to leave to solidify recruits for next year. If signing day was pushed back another month, you would see more coaches finishing out the bowl season with their team. Similar to how when Coordinators switch team, they don't leave until after the bowl game or at least put the bowl game plan together before they leave.

Kids don't HAVE to miss to the bowl game to go to the NFL. As of right now, we don't know if that will help or hurt their stock. It's something they are trying and we will see how it ends. As stated before, my only issue is the mentality or the fear of getting hurt in football. If you truly feel that way, why are you playing the game. Most NFL dollars aren't guaranteed like basketball.
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You missed my point entirely.
 
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pjjp said:
Consider this: the next big evaluation for McCaffrey and Fournette are their pro days, since both (especially Fournette) are projected to be 1st round picks I don't anticipate them performing at the combine. Normally, the top prospects show up at the combine and get measured and weighed only. Therefore, it's in their best interest to prepare for the 40, vertical, long jump, benching 225 etc. etc. That type of training is different than football training. Skipping the bowl games will not only allow each to heal up the injuries they've been nursing this year, it will also allow them more time for the combine-type training. How many top picks' draft stock has dropped because they ran a bad 40? It's happened often, especially for RB's. In my view, these guys are getting a head start on a job interview/evaluation.

And, I agree with Saban. Unless the player is playing on one of the 4 teams competing for a national championship, these other bowls are pretty much meaningless, except for the revenue that it generates for their respective schools. And why should a player be concerned about that? These schools have already made a lot of money off them. They don't owe these schools anymore than they've already given.
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I said from the beginning if they are injured, that's different. I can tell you that no matter how much you train for the 40, either you have it or you don't. The only legit reason is to heal if injured. Everything else is a soft mentality which will most likely cost them in the long run.
 
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LHSTigers94 said:
Okay, I probably did. What exactly is your point? Are you saying that college kids not playing in the bowl game is EXACTLY like coaches leaving for a different job?
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I'm saying between the coach leaving and the player skipping, only one of them got paid the previous 12 months before the decision was made.

I'm also saying, that oddly, the person who is routinely criticized is the one who wasn't being paid.
 
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stripes13 said:
I'm saying between the coach leaving and the player skipping, only one of them got paid the previous 12 months before the decision was made.

I'm also saying, that oddly, the person who is routinely criticized is the one who wasn't being paid.
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Okay I understand your point.
 
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Jake Butt (knee injury last night) proves Mac wise, yet stands by playing. No more clarity on the matter from his getting hurt.
 
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What do you guys think the NFL teams think about players not injured sitting out? If i was a coach or owner picking a player in the up coming draft. It certainly would cross my mind. I would wonder what this player would do when it comes to contract negotiations. Is he going to sit out? To me the player has already showed he is some what selfish and is really not about the team. I am not talking about injured players. Mysterious hamstring injury with Peppers how did that workout for Michigan.
 
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corey90 said:
What do you guys think the NFL teams think about players not injured sitting out? If i was a coach or owner picking a player in the up coming draft. It certainly would cross my mind. I would wonder what this player would do when it comes to contract negotiations. Is he going to sit out? To me the player has already showed he is some what selfish and is really not about the team. I am not talking about injured players. Mysterious hamstring injury with Peppers how did that workout for Michigan.
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I guess I really don't understand what you mean by selfish. If a guy makes a 'commitment' to a team, but leaves after his junior year is he selfish bc he didn't finish all four years?
 
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stripes13 said:
I guess I really don't understand what you mean by selfish. If a guy makes a 'commitment' to a team, but leaves after his junior year is he selfish bc he didn't finish all four years?
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No because he didn't finish the season he started. He played all season with his teammates then decided to sit out the bowl game.
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with these guys if they told their coach and teammates before the season started that they would sit out any bowl games. Funny how that doesn't come up before the season starts.
 
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corey90 said:
No because he didn't finish the season he started. He played all season with his teammates then decided to sit out the bowl game.
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with these guys if they told their coach and teammates before the season started that they would sit out any bowl games. Funny how that doesn't come up before the season starts.
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When do serious draft projections start to come out?

Better question: why are you against someone making what they feel is the best decision for their professional career?
 
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