Smart football: Defending Paul Johnson's flexbone at GT

bullysleftnut

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our biggest problem in that game last year wasn't our defense -- it was our offense. We turned the ball over at least 5 times and even when we did make it down to the red zone we couldn't score TDs.

I think we have a shot at winning this one *if* the offense is better than what we've seen the last 5 years.
 

8dog

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great, great stuff.

I wonder if Paul Johnson told Croom he had a good game plan like Fulmer did.
 

AdamDawgDude

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bullysleftnut said:
our biggest problem in that game last year wasn't our defense -- it was our offense. We turned the ball over at least 5 times and even when we did make it down to the red zone we couldn't score TDs.

I think we have a shot at winning this one *if* the offense is better than what we've seen the last 5 years.

Not to mention.... We tried to kick a field goal from 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage and it got blocked.
 

8dog

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they couldve scored everytime they got the ball if they wanted to. They did all that with their 2nd team QB. While offense is always a problem for us, defense was the main problem that game.
 

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That game was over when we got down inside the 10 down 14 and Crxxms decided to kick a FG instead of going for the TD. The defense just said "F it" after that and the rout was on.
 
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would have won more games as OC than McCorvey.
 

bullysleftnut

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8Dog said:
they couldve scored everytime they got the ball if they wanted to. They did all that with their 2nd team QB. While offense is always a problem for us, defense was the main problem that game.
no doubt the defense sucked. The only thing I can offer as evidence in my favor is this:

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 <font><font face="verdana">[b] Drive Started Drive Ended Consumed[/b] [b]Team Qtr Spot Time Obtained Spot Time How Lost Pl-Yds TOP [/b] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MS 1st M30 09:50 Kickoff M40 08:13 Fumble 4-10 1:37 MS 1st M20 06:06 Kickoff G01 03:49 Missed FG 5-79 2:17 MS 1st M32 01:49 Punt G45 12:21 Downs 9-23 4:28 MS 2nd M14 07:52 Kickoff M14 07:42 Interception 1-0 0:10 MS 2nd M18 05:44 Punt G17 00:19 Interception 15-65 5:25 MS 3rd M32 14:57 Kickoff G33 11:41 Punt 8-35 3:16 MS 3rd M20 11:27 Kickoff M21 09:37 Punt 3-1 1:50 MS 3rd M24 07:02 Kickoff M34 05:09 Punt 4-10 1:53 MS 3rd M20 03:26 Punt G12 14:53 Downs 9-68 3:33 MS 4th G49 10:39 Kickoff G00 08:09 *TOUCHDOWN 7-49 2:30 MS 4th M20 02:39 Missed FG G14 00:05 Fumble 16-66 2:34 </font></font>
11 drives -- 4 turnovers, 3 punts, a missed FG and 2 4th down conversions stuffed. I just think the defense said "screw it"....it was pretty obvious to me that they gave up when they realized the amount of ineptitude from the O.

But I wouldn't say that our D was the problem -- we were down 21-0 at the half but if the Offense had been worth a damn they still would've been fighting, plus the score would have been a LOT closer.
 

8dog

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which would presumably be when our defense should still be fighting hard, they ran 15 plays for 119 yards.

The very first drive of the game was an 11 play, 79 yard drive for a touchdown.

And if you saw the game (unfortunately, I was there), it was not close. We had no chance to stop them.

I don't know how the offense's better play would've helped us "fight" any better.
 

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This was all on our D and coaching staff.

O was predictably ineffective, but not why we got blown the flock out.

Edit: Perhaps the thing that stands out the most for me was Saulsbury getting continually pummelled by a first rounder one-on-one. Great strategy.

"Uh, uh, we got to, uh, execute, uh, on the, uh, offensive line."
 

bullysleftnut

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8Dog said:
which would presumably be when our defense should still be fighting hard, they ran 15 plays for 119 yards.

The very first drive of the game was an 11 play, 79 yard drive for a touchdown.

And if you saw the game (unfortunately, I was there), it was not close. We had no chance to stop them.

I don't know how the offense's better play would've helped us "fight" any better.
Ok, first drive -- 11 plays for a TD. They were still playing but gave up a TD. Then we fumble the ball on our end of the field. GT goes 40 yards for a TD. We miss a FG, our defense makes them punt. We turn it over on downs, GT goes 54 yards for a TD.

Our offense put our defense in ****** situations via A) not being able to score anything, B) turnovers, and C) not being able to move the ball.

I'm not saying GT wouldn't have scored...but don't you think that a 14-14 score at halftime would be a lot better than 21-0?
 

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8Dog said:
it will always be the offense's fault.
No...just when they only manage 1 TD, 4 TOs, 3 punts, 2 4th down busts, and a missed FG in 11 offensive possessions.

One way to keep a potent offense from scoring is to keep them off the field with long, drawn out possessions that end in scores. We didn't do that.
 

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we weren't stopping them. They went up 28-0 with 11 to play in the 3rd and quit playing.

They could've scored 60 if they wanted to.
 

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No matter how bad your offense sucks or how many times it turns the ball over, that's bad defense.
 

bullysleftnut

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8Dog said:
we weren't stopping them. They went up 28-0 with 11 to play in the 3rd and quit playing.

They could've scored 60 if they wanted to.
No, I don't think they could've scored 60. Doesn't look like they quit to me:

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 <font><font face="verdana">GT 3rd G12 11:41 Punt M00 11:27 *TOUCHDOWN 1-88 0:14 GT 3rd G35 09:37 Punt M12 07:05 *FIELD GOAL 6-53 2:32 GT 3rd G34 05:09 Punt M46 03:26 Punt 5-20 1:43 GT 4th G13 14:53 Downs M00 10:48 *TOUCHDOWN 8-87 4:05 GT 4th G36 08:05 Kickoff M20 02:39 Missed FG 13-44 5:26 GT 4th G14 00:05 Fumble G19 00:00 End of half 1-5 0:05 </font></font>
Between 8:05 and 0:05 in the 4th we had the ball and put together an 8 minute drive that ended in a TD. Maybe their Defense had slacked off, I can't debate that. But when we had the ball they weren't ramming it down our throats. In other words, our one good drive kept them off the field for 8 minutes, ended in a TD and kept them from scoring after their last FG attempt (which they missed).

I'm not debating whether or not our D was horrible -- yeah they were bad. What I am debating is that if our Offense had been worth a **** we would have had a damn good chance of winning that game in spite of our Defense. And I think that if our offense doesn't suck dog nuts this season we have a good shot at winning vs. Ga Tech, mainly because we shot ourselves in the foot so often last year.

We can agree to disagree, that's cool by me.
 

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I thought one of the key plays was when Dixon had an enormous hole on the right side of the line and ran about 70 yards and got stopped at the one. We were then unable to punch it in from there and Carlson had his FG blocked. We score there, and maybe we play a little bit better, probably still lose, but the score looks a little better.

I to was at the game. I think the defense had a poor gameplan. No doubt about it. They ran through us like a hot knife through butter. After we got down 14 points, I do think the defense said <17> it, going by their body language. I do think part of that was because they knew our offense wasn't going to get 14. I'm not sure that making adjustments was really going to help us out a whole lot. The sequence of events above that I talked about may have made a little bit of a difference if we were able to score a TD. But we did not, we get the kick blocked and lost whatever small amount of momentum we had.

And to top it all off- at the end of the third quarter time runs out, and Croom apparently had no clue how much time was on the clock. He goes waddling full speed down the sideline, but the official wouldn't grant it to him because time had expired. That official saved Croom another bit of embarassment and saved us a timeout. It's pitiful when your HC has no clue how much time is on the clock.
 

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To me it was worse than Maine (b/c we were an even more abysmal team then) and the 3-2 Auburn debacle. Worse than Tulane. Worse than Houston.
We were just unable to stop GT with anything they threw at us. It was definately smart football on GT's part, but the Croom D that game missed so many assignments; so much confusion- we looked like a bunch of junior high kids playing in the special olympics. Completely streamrolled. I dropped $150 for tickets to that game. <17> Walruses.
 

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To stop a good option team, you just have to be disciplined, especially with a team like GT that didn't have the athletes best suited for the triple option.

The problem is, you don't see many option teams these days, and most defenses learn to play aggressive, and discipline takes a back seat. Triple option football will kill defenses that are over-aggressive. LSU obviously played pretty disciplined football against GT in the Peach Bowl. Plus, the weakness of LSU's defense last year was pass defense, which is something GT couldn't exploit.