SMC week 4.

Swaindad40

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If you don't mind me asking,when did the juniors and sophmores beat Franklin? You said they had never lost to them until last year.

I should have said when they were growing up /youth league. Never lost to Franklin. Granted youth league does not mean much on a varsity level but it does show some history between these groups unless major changes happen like transfers and growth for teams.
 

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Youth league isnt a great indicator if varsity success. To much changes from little kids to high schoolers. When is the last time Murphy had a dominant youth league team? Exactly, been a while. Some of Murphy's best players dont even start playing until JV.
 
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SMC Observer

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Hey Swaindad do you not what happened to the big fullback that played with Sain in youth league? If I remember correctly his dad was a pastor and they moved back out east, but just curious if know what became of him since then.
 
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Swaindad40

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Hey Swaindad do you not what happened to the big fullback that played with Sain in youth league? If I remember correctly his dad was a pastor and they moved back out east, but just curious if know what became of him since then.

Antonio king jr. he is playing out east. His mom and dad were offered jobs there and they had to move. Too bad. He was a hell of a youth player and would probably develop into a excellent high school player.
 
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Gentle Knight

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I should have said when they were growing up /youth league. Never lost to Franklin. Granted youth league does not mean much on a varsity level but it does show some history between these groups unless major changes happen like transfers and growth for teams.

Wow this is great then,this group of sophomore, juniors and seniors for the Knights never lost to Swain in little league..Went to 4 straight Cracker Bowls.2007-2011
 

Cold Biscuit

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Yep Cracker Bowls do not equal State Championships.

95% of the time dominant youth leauge teams are the result of one or two kids that are quick getting around the end or it's one big physical kid that has matured quicker than everyone else. Everything catches up in highschool. Some still get away with it in jvs but very few do in varsity.
 

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95% of the time dominant youth leauge teams are the result of one or two kids that are quick getting around the end or it's one big physical kid that has matured quicker than everyone else. Everything catches up in highschool. Some still get away with it in jvs but very few do in varsity.
Exactly and also we play in this conference bubble. We don’t think about anything outside the conference bubble. Well in high school you might beat the conference but you still have to get past other conferences. Football is played across the state and sometimes we forget that. We get an undefeated JV team and we are saving up for the State bus....it’s not a guarantee
 

Swaindad40

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Wow this is great then,this group of sophomore, juniors and seniors for the Knights never lost to Swain in little league..Went to 4 straight Cracker Bowls.2007-2011

Yeah and Swain went to several cracker bowls from 2012-2015. Swain won three of them. Probably the most dominant Mite and Midget year I have seen. Robbinsville lost in JV in 2016 to Swain. Same group of kids. That are current Juniors and Sophomores. Won the conference championship that season and went undefeated.
 
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Believe it was 20-6 bk, think maybe 6-6 at tha half or 6-0!!! IF it did translate from youth league to varsity with that swain group and robinsville group then tha only 1 who gave either 1 of them groups a challenge was us!!! But kids get burned out, move away, move in, injuries, bad stuff in families happens!! I seent it!! Haha!! But who knows, will see I guess cause I believe all of us on this board is here to stay till we cross that great divide!!!
 
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I don't get how tha Murphy kids come out at tha JV level and still roll like they do!!! Anyways I guess, don't guess I'm suppose to understand it all!! Wish we had it like that!!!
 

bigoakbuddy

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And it hardly ever happens, I say naming one kid that started playing in the eighth grade and up that went on to be a impact player would take you a while. Only one I can think of in knight country may be our current kicker only because he's an exchange student. We'll see how much of an impact he makes, jury still out on that one.
 

Gentle Knight

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Not meaning to be facetious, and I can't be sure about the seniors, but the juniors and sophomores lost to Swain, Andrews, and Hayesville their second year of mites and both years on midgets when they were in youth ball. And didn't go to a cracker bowl any of those particular years. Not that it matters considering that was then, and it was youth ball (totally different reality). Regardless, the Knights are gonna be a great team that is hard to beat for anyone the next three years.
It really doesn't matter but u may have your teams confused..Landon Orr Senior and teammates, Rylee Anderson Junior and teammates and Lex Hooper Sophmore and teammates went to all the cracker bowels. I was informed last night they possibility went to 5 Cracker Bowls instead of 4. The only team to beat that particular group of boys was Hayesville and Smoky Mountain..
 

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I don't get how tha Murphy kids come out at tha JV level and still roll like they do!!! Anyways I guess, don't guess I'm suppose to understand it all!! Wish we had it like that!!!

Youth leauge means nothing when it comes to varsity. You need to have a good JV program that teaches the same offensive system that's run on varsity. Good seventh grade athletes need to be on jvs learning that system, not trying to win meaningless cracker bowl titles.
 

Gentle Knight

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I don't think my teams are confused, I believe you are speaking of their early years in youth ball, not their latter years. If I am not mistaken, this group of sophmores and juniors would have been second year Mites through second year Midgets from 2013 - 2015. I believe that they did go to all the cracker bowls from 2007-2011 or something like that from peewess to their first year mite years cause they beat us like a drum those years. After that it was pretty much the Hayesville/Swain show for this particular age group throughout second year mites and Midgets. Here is the info from youth ball for this age groups second year mite- last year of midgets.
2013 - This group of sophmores and juniors would have been second year Mites (sophmores), and first year Midgets (juniors). In Mites that year Hayesville beat Andrews in the Cracker Bowl, and Hayesville, Swain, and Andrews also all beat R'ville in the regular season. Not certain which set of now juniors played in Midget Cracker Bowl that year.
2014 - This group of sophmores and juniors would have been all Midgets unless they moved up to JV. In that year Swain played Hayesville for the Cracker Bowl on Midgets with Andrews finishing third in the conference. Again, all three beat R'ville in the regular season.
2015 - This group of sophmores (the group that my son, and Hooper is in) would have been second year Midgets. This year again, Hayesville played Swain for the CrackerBowl with Andrews finishing third. All three beat R'ville in the regular season.
Really, all of that is irrelevant when it comes to the here and now on varsity. If anything the fact that this group for R'ville did not win it all or go to a cracker bowl in those three years is proof that it matters little in high school, since your boys are probably going to be one of the top teams for the next several years. Ya'll have a great team that has some deadly backs at a school with a winning tradition, which is something that some of us here don't have, but can appreciate.
Robbinsville didn't have a midget team the years that Anderson and Hooper played. Some moved on up to JVs in the 7th grade
 
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PBBear51

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Youth league isnt a great indicator if varsity success. To much changes from little kids to high schoolers. When is the last time Murphy had a dominant youth league team? Exactly, been a while. Some of Murphy's best players dont even start playing until JV.
Your right but I tell ya one thing it does do and can help add to a varsity's success. When a group of kids start together in pups or termites and stay together through high school, they can develop a bond that drives them to win for each other. Eliminates the "it's all about me" problem all us humans deal with.
 
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Other than some bonding that PBBear51 talked about up there, you're not going to learn anything in the 4th grade that you can't learn in the 7th. The biggest benefits of a little league program are that and getting kids excited about playing football, but that's a double edged sword. A lot of kids burn out by the time they reach JVs. I know my young'n will go to most every high school game i go to, but i see no reason for him to actually play until 7th grade when they have better control over their bodies and the coaches are on the same page as the varsity coaches.
 

Swaindad40

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Franklin passed for 20-27- over 200 yds. Vs rabun. Hayesville should be able to pass some on them

Majority of throws were for five yards or less so the WR were making the plays vs Rabun. Swain corners and safeties will have to play up and aggressive. I think the main focus of the team is to stop Franklin’s isolation plays off tackle. The corners and linebackers will have to play fundamental and disciplined Football.
 
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I guess i can mention this now. I saw on FB that one of our best kids was sick? Ive been wondering all week if he is playing toKnight.
Guess I'll find out in 3 hrs.
GO KNIGHTS.
 
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Just to throw a little youth ball history in there... the 1972 Bryson City youth league team went 8-0 against the rest of the conference (including a Sylva team with Steve Streater), and racked up 300 points while allowing 24. One game was forfeited after the 1st quarter with BC up 24-0, and one at halftime. That team had Brett Conley at RB and Doug Plemmons at QB.

Of course, in 1976 that team went 6-4, losing to both the 1A state champ Robbinsville and the 2A state champ Franklin. (Sylva-Webster had elected to move up to 3A to see if they could find some serious competition, or they would have collected probably their 4th consecutive 2A title.) Brett and Doug still put up plenty of offense, but the defense gave up almost as much. That was one of the most talented teams ever to play at Swain, but that just goes to show how important coaching (and grit) is. If Deitz had come down to Swain a couple years earlier, his first 'ship could have been in '76.

It still amazes me how good Brett Conley was. He racked up over 3000 yards at 14.2 yards per carry (yes, you read that right) in his high-school career.
 
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I remember these guys very well. I came up right after them and played against Denny Rochester and gang. Another very good team

Those forfeits really disappointed me. I played on that team, as a definite 2nd-stringer, and missed out on four or five quarters of playing time. :)
 
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Was Dale Irons the Coach

No, our coach was Gene Brown, one of the elementary-school teachers. And a good coach. Old-school tough guy, and did NOT approve of soft drinks on his training table. When he'd see one of us with a Coke, he'd say "drinking another one of them belly-washers, huh?" (when he was being polite; when he wasn't he called it "horse p*ss" :) )

Dale Irons was a good coach, and a good man. Never got to play for him myself, as my career in organized football ended after that year.
 
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bamapride22

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Majority of throws were for five yards or less so the WR were making the plays vs Rabun. Swain corners and safeties will have to play up and aggressive. I think the main focus of the team is to stop Franklin’s isolation plays off tackle. The corners and linebackers will have to play fundamental and disciplined Football.


WRs made plays tonight but those throws tonight were a little more than 5 yds!!! Still gotta make the throw doesn’t matter how far it is!! Just ask WNC leading passer. Over 200 yds of his 375 against Franklin were behind line of scrimmage which technically is suppose to be a rush on stats!!