So about conference champions...

[Shooter McGavin.sixpack]

While driving down the street, heard a bit of Trevor Matich on Finebaum. Matich has us 7th, where he had FSU last week, although he said we have the 2nd best body of work. His reasoning...conference champions should be the ultimate deciding factor. Finebaum asked him if all conferences are created equal, he said no but so what? If we start splitting hairs between conferences and letting runners up go over champions, we are treating the entire FBS as one big conference and diminishing the conference races.

I find this reasoning illogical, flawed, dumb, pick whichever term you wish to you use. I understand where this reasoning comes from but the committees stated goal is to select the 4 best teams and you cannot objectively do that by giving conference championships more bearing than the entire body of work. I know it's just Trevor Matich and his opinion decides nothing but it just annoying to hear it over and over.

He also said the season is an evolution not a snap shot so we have to look at OSU as they are not and past their loss to VTech. Well wouldn't that apply to us as well? Over the course of the season we have been an excellent football team our low is a loss to the now #1 team in the nation. It's just an endless loop of what criteria you use how it affects the other criteria etc.

 

[FQDawg]

The thing about having a committee...

is that it allows for a sliding, adjustable scale for picking the top four. Regardless of who the four teams are, the committee will have a way to justify those teams' inclusion. They will use the phrase "conference champion" if it supports the reason why one team is in and they'll use the phrase "body of work" to support another team. And just because the logic that supports Team A getting in would also support Team B doesn't mean Team B will also get in.

In short, you can throw logic out the door on this. The committee will quite literally make it up as they go along.

 

[Seinfeld]

A couple things...

1) Yes, he is an idiot. Conference championships should be nothing more than what they already are. One of several factors that goes into the playoff decision process. To say that it should be the ultimate factor is ridiculous. So if a 8-4 Georgia teams beats a 12-0 Alabama in the SEC title game on a complete fluke, he's saying that Georgia deserves the playoff consideration above Bama? You can't just throw out the rest of the season because you think that a conference championship should be a big deal.

2) I'm really failing to see the hype surrounding OSU. Herbstreit was just talking about them this morning as being the team that no one wants to play right now, but aside from their nice win against Mich St a couple weeks ago, can somebody explain to me why anyone should be afraid? This is still the team that is just a month removed from nearly losing to a pretty bad Penn St team, and excuse me if I'm not impressed with their recent 7 pt win over a Minnesota team that has beaten absolutely nobody.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

Minnesota is a complete fraud. Their wins are atrocious. Northwestern and Michigan are their best wins. Seriously. They would get absolutely rolled by Arkansas or LSU.

 

[121Josey]

Conference champion is a share the wealth/undeserving argument. It carries no weight in the overall discussion and should only be used to distinguish two teams from the same conference.

If the SEC ran their ship like the Big 12-III, then State would be a conference champion.

 

[patdog]

His reasoning...conference champions should be the ultimate deciding factor. Finebaum asked him if all conferences are created equal, he said no but so what? If we start splitting hairs between conferences and letting runners up go over champions, we are treating the entire FBS as one big conference and diminishing the conference races.

So where does Trevor Matich have the champions of CUSA, Sunbelt, WAC, MAC, and Mountain West conferences? If it doesn't matter that all conferences are not created equal, they they deserve to be in the playoff just as much at the SEC, PAC-12, etc. champions do. Ultimately, I think an 8-team playoff can give us the best of both worlds, but I think that's a decade or so away. Take the champions of the big 5 conferences, the highest ranked champion of a mid-major, plus 2 at-large bids. That wouldn't get us to the top 8 teams, but it would be pretty close. And nobody could complain that they were unjustly left out.

 

[DawgInThe256]

The conference champion advocates will quickly backtrack when Alabama doesn't win the SEC West because of a 5 point loss to LSU at Tiger Stadium.

I would agree that if you go to 8 teams, then the conference champions of the 5 big conferences should get automatic bids.

 

[leonblack.sixpack]

Minnesota will not be ranked in top 25 next week.

Despite last week, Nebraska is good, and this game is in Lincoln.
Next up is Wiscy.. so, the likelihood of a Top 25 finish for Minny is slim.

IF we can win out, we should be fine.
Again, IF we win out, we will have at least two Top 25 wins (AU and OM), with potentially a third (Arky win OM or LSU).


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[hotdogface]

While driving down the street, heard a bit of Trevor Matich on Finebaum. Matich has us 7th, where he had FSU last week, although he said we have the 2nd best body of work. His reasoning...conference champions should be the ultimate deciding factor. Finebaum asked him if all conferences are created equal, he said no but so what? If we start splitting hairs between conferences and letting runners up go over champions, we are treating the entire FBS as one big conference and diminishing the conference races.

I find this reasoning illogical, flawed, dumb, pick whichever term you wish to you use. I understand where this reasoning comes from but the committees stated goal is to select the 4 best teams and you cannot objectively do that by giving conference championships more bearing than the entire body of work. I know it's just Trevor Matich and his opinion decides nothing but it just annoying to hear it over and over.

He also said the season is an evolution not a snap shot so we have to look at OSU as they are not and past their loss to VTech. Well wouldn't that apply to us as well? Over the course of the season we have been an excellent football team our low is a loss to the now #1 team in the nation. It's just an endless loop of what criteria you use how it affects the other criteria etc.

It is this kind of reasoning that will make me pull for Ole Miss this weekend. We need to make it as hard as possible for the committee to leave us out if we win out but miss the SEC Championship game. Having their last image of us be a road victory over a top ten team makes it at least a little bit harder to bump TCU or an another power 5 conference champ over us.

 

[Hankp22]

If they wanted a bracket of conference champions, they they should have designed it that way.

I haven't read this post in full. With that being said, I'd like to hear his opinion on that.

 

[croomin]

Yes, we need to be pulling for LSU, Auburn and OM for optimal schedule points.

 

[121Josey]

It is this kind of reasoning that will make me pull for Ole Miss this weekend.

Good luck with that. If it makes you feel better, the committee puts a non-conference champ in the 5th spot ahead of two conference champions. TCU = barely beat OU, barely beat WVU, barely beat KU. Doubt they survive @Tejas on Thanksgiving.

If the argument that State's only loss was to the #1 team in the nation, on the road, in a division where everyone finished with a winning record (if UPigg wins one more game), then nothing will keep State in the playoffs.

 

[aTotal360]

When did those conference championship games get played? I must have missed it.

The moment JT Barrett's hands touch the Big 10 trophy, we are screwed. Until then, we are fine.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Here's why conference championships are not a good way of judging how good a team is. Consider the Big 12. Right now Baylor and TCU each have 1 loss and can finish the season with 1 loss. Baylor beat TCU head-to-head and therefore Baylor would be the conference champion. You could say that Baylor is a better team than TCU, but you can't say not being conference champion makes TCU worse than all other conference champions, even those with one or no losses. Why? Suppose Baylor loses a game and instead finishes 10-2. Now TCU is the conference champion. Did TCU get better than teams outside of their conference simply because a team they lost to picked up another loss? In many ways, having your only loss to the team that won your conference is better than winning your conference and having your only loss to a team with more losses than you. I'm not saying that Bama losing to Auburn hurts us (playing a Conference Championship game, even against a weak team, makes up for it in the case of the SEC), but if we, say, beat Bama but lost to Kentucky it would not look very good for us.

 

[pscf3]

Here's why conference championships are not a good way of judging how good a team is. Consider the Big 12. Right now Baylor and TCU each have 1 loss and can finish the season with 1 loss. Baylor beat TCU head-to-head and therefore Baylor would be the conference champion. You could say that Baylor is a better team than TCU, but you can't say not being conference champion makes TCU worse than all other conference champions, even those with one or no losses. Why? Suppose Baylor loses a game and instead finishes 10-2. Now TCU is the conference champion. Did TCU get better than teams outside of their conference simply because a team they lost to picked up another loss? In many ways, having your only loss to the team that won your conference is better than winning your conference and having your only loss to a team with more losses than you. I'm not saying that Bama losing to Auburn hurts us (playing a Conference Championship game, even against a weak team, makes up for it in the case of the SEC), but if we, say, beat Bama but lost to Kentucky it would not look very good for us.

If both TCU and Baylor win out, then both are considered "co-champions". They don't use tiebreakers to distinguish one champion.

 

[121Josey]

When did those conference championship games get played? I must have missed it.

Saturday, October 11, 2:30 PM
McLane Stadium, Waco, Texas

The moment JT Barrett's hands touch the Big 10 trophy, we are screwed. Until then, we are fine.

So Barrett will be taking photos pre-game?** Don't think that the Big 10 won't cannibalize itself the next three weeks.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Is this kinda like how Ole Miss is the 2003 SEC West champion?**

 

[RocketDawg]

I don't think conference champions should be weighed very heavily, if at all. I remember a couple years ago Georgia Tech won the ACC and went to the Orange Bowl, but had 4 or 5 losses. And FSU went to the Sugar (as I recall) with 5 losses. In the SEC, the best East team isn't all that good. None of those should be in a playoff. The playoff should have the nation's best 4 teams, even if they come from the same conference.

 

[Boardtown Remy]

The reason I expect 'deserving' conference champs to make it into the playoffs is the range of affiliations among the committee members. In my experience, the notSEC's fans don't buy SEC dominance. The BCS was an illogical system and withstood years of ridicule. The tipping point wasn't when 5 teams shared claim to the 2 spot, it was LSU v BAMA. The top 2 teams in the nation coming from the same conference is unthinkable to the notSEC.
How many notSEC people do y'all know? Ask them if SEC dominance is more perception or reality.

 

[121Josey]

The BCS was an illogical system and withstood years of ridicule. The tipping point wasn't when 5 teams shared claim to the 2 spot, it was LSU v BAMA. The top 2 teams in the nation coming from the same conference is unthinkable to the notSEC.

BCS at least had a formula. The committee releases no results of their value system.

How many notSEC people do y'all know? Ask them if SEC dominance is more perception or reality.

If they are not fans of OU, ND, or FSU, they say SEC is the dominant conference. They also understand that the SEC will probably win a regular season game over a non-sec team.

 

[patdog]

If they wanted a bracket of conference champions, they they should have designed it that way.

That's NOT what they want. And that's why it wasn't designed that way. We've just got a few posters on this board who sometimes like to get hysterical.