So does this have any backlash towards North Korea?

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There should be, but we're to the limit on sanctions.
Need to put more pressure on China thru the world banking structure. I wouldn't start a war over one person but if NK gets an active nuke, we will have to take them out. Who the hell gave them a nuclear reactor? Was it Madeline Allstupid under Clnton?
 

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Need to put more pressure on China thru the world banking structure. I wouldn't start a war over one person but if NK gets an active nuke, we will have to take them out. Who the hell gave them a nuclear reactor? Was it Madeline Allstupid under Clnton?

Actually it was Russia.
 

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Actually it was Russia.
I beleive the light water reactors were given to North Korea, by Clinton and Alstupid, to replace the one that Russia had placed there and the NK's promised to quit trying to get a nuclear weapon. I believe the Buish admin then followed up on what Clinton promised with more money.
 
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They are obviously very scared of Trump. He said Obama was too weak on NK and he'd be much stronger. I'm sure he'll blovioate them into submission. Believe me.
The only thing Obama was strong on was his condemnation of our police force.
 

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A lot of dead al qaeda and isis may disagree. Terrorist fist bump
Not enough and you know it. There's no risk in standing back and doing nothing. That's what drones do. No info, no risk, he could have done much, much more but chose not to. His perogative.
 
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Hey, by all means, ride the McNamara doctrine right to the fall of Saigon.
Context. I didn't say he fought a perfect war on terror. I'm sure he could have done more. But in response to airport's comment about not being strong, I'd say several thousand terrorists including bin laden would disagree.
 

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Context. I didn't say he fought a perfect war on terror. I'm sure he could have done more. But in response to airport's comment about not being strong, I'd say several thousand terrorists including bin laden would disagree.
I'd say you are cherry picking stats and ignoring the context of the entirety of the Middle East, North Africa, Southwest Asia, and parts of South East Asia going to **** under his watch. I'd also add that his leadership led to an absolute crisis in Europe.

But yea, he shot some missiles and from a selfish perspective as it's my industry who benefitted the most, it was good times.
 
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I'd say you are cherry picking stats and ignoring the context of the entirety of the Middle East, North Africa, Southwest Asia, and parts of South East Asia going to **** under his watch. I'd also add that his leadership led to an absolute crisis in Europe.

But yea, he shot some missiles and from a selfish perspective as it's my industry who benefitted the most, it was good times.
Yes, the ME and N Africa were
Just peachy until Obama. And again, how many Americans killed by terrorists Obama vs Bush?
 

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If North Korea's not careful... they're going to piss of The Worm and lose his visits.
 

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"It would be an honor to meet him (Kim Jong Un)." - President trump, 2017.
 

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I'd say you are cherry picking stats and ignoring the context of the entirety of the Middle East, North Africa, Southwest Asia, and parts of South East Asia going to **** under his watch. I'd also add that his leadership led to an absolute crisis in Europe.

But yea, he shot some missiles and from a selfish perspective as it's my industry who benefitted the most, it was good times.
How do you like my response to RPJ?
 

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I beleive the light water reactors were given to North Korea, by Clinton and Alstupid, to replace the one that Russia had placed there and the NK's promised to quit trying to get a nuclear weapon. I believe the Buish admin then followed up on what Clinton promised with more money.

You are WRONG! Look it up. They got nuclear capabilities before Clinton took office. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
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I'll take irrelevant statistics designed to downplay the failure of foreign policy for $1000 Alex
Foreign policy is going great now that Obama is gone. Pissing off allies right and left. Canada, Australia, Great britain, France, germany, NATO....they love the direction we are now leading. Jared is going to fix the ME though. So there's that. The world respects us again. Or not. What a joke we've become.
 

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Foreign policy is going great now that Obama is gone. Pissing off allies right and left. Canada, Australia, Great britain, France, germany, NATO....they love the direction we are now leading. Jared is going to fix the ME though. So there's that. The world respects us again. Or not. What a joke we've become.

Remember the Right was saying that when Obama was president "the world is laughing at us now"???? Well, how many foreign leaders are publicly poking fun at our leader? Yeah........I can see a HUGE difference in the respect. [eyeroll]
 
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Remember the Right was saying that when Obama was president "the world is laughing at us now"???? Well, how many foreign leaders are publicly poking fun at our leader? Yeah........I can see a HUGE difference in the respect. [eyeroll]
The wingnuts love it when Trump pisses off our NATO allies. They love a president who spouts off incoherently and conducts himself with no dignity. He's just like them.
 

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You are WRONG! Look it up. They got nuclear capabilities before Clinton took office. Sorry to disappoint you.
I did look it up, clinton and Alstupid, remember the toast, said these are peop-le we can work with?
they gave them the light water reactors in response to them saying they wouldn't continue on the path of nuclear weapons.
 

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You are WRONG! Look it up. They got nuclear capabilities before Clinton took office. Sorry to disappoint you.
“This is a good deal for the United States,” said President Clinton. “North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.”






This whole agreement collapsed in 2002, when the CIA discovered that North Korea was secretly enriching uranium for further weapons production. The country, which also carried the title of virtually being the world’s largest prison, not only kept the nuclear weapons it already had at the time–which estimates said was to be just one–but they built more (shocker) and the geopolitical situation in Asia hasn’t changed.

Here’s the breakdown of the now-dead Agreed Framework with North Korea courtesy of Nuclear Threat Initiative:

  • freeze and eventually dismantle its graphite-moderated reactors;
  • seal, cease activities at, and eventually dismantle its reprocessing facilities;
  • cooperate in finding a safe method to store existing spent fuel from its 5 MW experimental reactor and to dispose of such fuel in a safe manner that does not involve reprocessing in the DPRK;
  • allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to monitor the freeze of its reactors; allow the implementation of its safeguards agreement under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) allow the IAEA to resume ad-hoc and routine inspections of facilities not subject to the freeze upon conclusion of a Supply Agreement for the light-water reactor (LWR) project;
  • come into full compliance with its safeguards agreement with the IAEA upon conclusion of a significant portion of the LWR project; remain a party to the NPT; and
  • take consistent steps to implement the North-South Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula; and engage in North-South dialogue.
In return for its obligations above, the DPRK was guaranteed the following:

  • two LWRs [light water reactor] with a total generating capacity of approximately 2,000 MW(e), financed and supplied by an international consortium, by 2003;
  • 150,000 tons of heavy fuel oil by October 1995 for heating and electricity production foregone due to the freeze of its graphite-moderated reactors, and 500,000 tons annually thereafter until the completion of the first LWR; and
  • formal assurances from the United States against the threat or use of nuclear weapons.
In addition, the Agreed Framework required the United States and the DPRK to:

  • reduce barriers to trade and investment, including restrictions on telecommunications services and financial services and transactions; open liaison offices in each other’s capitals; and
  • upgrade bilateral relations to ambassadorial level as progress is made on issues of concern to each side.
Will history repeat itself with the Iranian deal? It remains to be seen, but our current history in negotiating with rogue nations that have–or are seeking–nuclear weapons capability hasn’t been stellar in the slightest.

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I did look it up, clinton and Alstupid, remember the toast, said these are peop-le we can work with?
they gave them the light water reactors in response to them saying they wouldn't continue on the path of nuclear weapons.

Really?

  • 1980–1985: North Korea builds a factory at Yongbyon to refine yellowcake and produce fuel for reactors.[3]
  • 1984: The DPRK completes construction of a "Radiochemical laboratory", which is actually a reprocessing plant used to separate plutonium from spent nuclear fuel at the Yongbyon site.[3]
  • 1984–1986: North Korea completes construction on a 5 MWe gas-cooled, graphite-moderated nuclear reactor for plutonium production. North Korea also commences with the construction of a second 50 MWe nuclear reactor.[3]
  • 1987: The Yongbyon IRT-2000 research reactor reaches a power rating of 8 MW.[3]
  • 1989: Soviet control of communist governments throughout Europe begins to weaken, and the Cold War comes to a close. Post-Soviet states emerge in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. As the USSR's power declines, North Korea loses the security guarantees and economic support that had sustained it for 45 years.
  • Through satellite photos, the U.S. learns of new construction at a nuclear complex near the North Korean town of Yongbyon. U.S. intelligence analysts suspect that North Korea, which had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1985 but had not yet allowed inspections of its nuclear facilities, is in the early stages of building a nuclear bomb.[5]
  • In response, the U.S. pursues a strategy in which North Korea's full compliance with the NPT would lead to progress on other diplomatic issues, such as the normalization of relations.

Take a look at 1989.........
 

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The wingnuts love it when Trump pisses off our NATO allies. They love a president who spouts off incoherently and conducts himself with no dignity. He's just like them.
The leaders of foreign countries don't like the world knowing that they are welshers.
 

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Really?

  • 1980–1985: North Korea builds a factory at Yongbyon to refine yellowcake and produce fuel for reactors.[3]
  • 1984: The DPRK completes construction of a "Radiochemical laboratory", which is actually a reprocessing plant used to separate plutonium from spent nuclear fuel at the Yongbyon site.[3]
  • 1984–1986: North Korea completes construction on a 5 MWe gas-cooled, graphite-moderated nuclear reactor for plutonium production. North Korea also commences with the construction of a second 50 MWe nuclear reactor.[3]
  • 1987: The Yongbyon IRT-2000 research reactor reaches a power rating of 8 MW.[3]
  • 1989: Soviet control of communist governments throughout Europe begins to weaken, and the Cold War comes to a close. Post-Soviet states emerge in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. As the USSR's power declines, North Korea loses the security guarantees and economic support that had sustained it for 45 years.
  • Through satellite photos, the U.S. learns of new construction at a nuclear complex near the North Korean town of Yongbyon. U.S. intelligence analysts suspect that North Korea, which had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1985 but had not yet allowed inspections of its nuclear facilities, is in the early stages of building a nuclear bomb.[5]
  • In response, the U.S. pursues a strategy in which North Korea's full compliance with the NPT would lead to progress on other diplomatic issues, such as the normalization of relations.

Take a look at 1989.........
See above for the reactors that really caused the problem.
 

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Really?

  • 1980–1985: North Korea builds a factory at Yongbyon to refine yellowcake and produce fuel for reactors.[3]
  • 1984: The DPRK completes construction of a "Radiochemical laboratory", which is actually a reprocessing plant used to separate plutonium from spent nuclear fuel at the Yongbyon site.[3]
  • 1984–1986: North Korea completes construction on a 5 MWe gas-cooled, graphite-moderated nuclear reactor for plutonium production. North Korea also commences with the construction of a second 50 MWe nuclear reactor.[3]
  • 1987: The Yongbyon IRT-2000 research reactor reaches a power rating of 8 MW.[3]
  • 1989: Soviet control of communist governments throughout Europe begins to weaken, and the Cold War comes to a close. Post-Soviet states emerge in Eastern Europe and Central Asia. As the USSR's power declines, North Korea loses the security guarantees and economic support that had sustained it for 45 years.
  • Through satellite photos, the U.S. learns of new construction at a nuclear complex near the North Korean town of Yongbyon. U.S. intelligence analysts suspect that North Korea, which had signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1985 but had not yet allowed inspections of its nuclear facilities, is in the early stages of building a nuclear bomb.[5]
  • In response, the U.S. pursues a strategy in which North Korea's full compliance with the NPT would lead to progress on other diplomatic issues, such as the normalization of relations.

Take a look at 1989.........
How about we agree that NK with a nuclear weapon is untenable and will have to be stopped no matter what it takes.
 

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How about we agree that NK with a nuclear weapon is untenable and will have to be stopped no matter what it takes.

Well, that would work if you hadn't started the "Blame Game" to point the finger at a Democrat when North Korea was already in the midst of a nuclear program long before Clinton took office.

Regardless of what you think, it's not always a Democrat that's to blame for everything wrong.......
 

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Well, that would work if you hadn't started the "Blame Game" to point the finger at a Democrat when North Korea was already in the midst of a nuclear program long before Clinton took office.

Regardless of what you think, it's not always a Democrat that's to blame for everything wrong.......
Bush continued the program that Clinton started by giving them money that Clinton promised, 200 mill was the figure I saw. This is the whole hostage approach, you give us something and we want do what you don't want us to do. It has never worked with NK or any other country. Wait till the 1.4 billion that we gave to Iran starts biting us in the *** in the form of terrorist getting more weapons in the ME to kill innocents.
 

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Foreign policy is going great now that Obama is gone. Pissing off allies right and left. Canada, Australia, Great britain, France, germany, NATO....they love the direction we are now leading. Jared is going to fix the ME though. So there's that. The world respects us again. Or not. What a joke we've become.
I wouldn't like the US asserting it's dominance and placing its interests above my own, ally or no ally. We just reversed or are in the process of reversing a decade of foreign policy which has profound financial impacts on the rest of the world. I'm sure it wont be a pleasant thing for them to have to pivot on our whims, yet again. Frankly, I don't care about the rest of the world. I care about us. From a military and economic foreign policy perspective, Trump is doing fine.

As to Trump, personally, he is a boob. Established during the Primaries. Now go find me some articles extolling the virtues of Obama's foreign policy. Even the leftist hardliners agree he was a disaster on foreign policy.