So, has Freeze in one year surpassed Mullen????? Yeah, I know 8-4 is

[hotdigitydog]

greater than 6-6, but let's face it, they did play a much tougher schedule and played most of the West teams tougher than we did........You take those things into account along with the fact that they are young and it's easy to think they will be the better club for the forseable future......Take a look at the article attached......Their future is bright and if we want to stay ahead of them, Mullen MUST recruit better........Yes, Freeze had some talent but he also had a helluva lot of wholes to fil and fill them he did........I hate the bucked tooth SOB as much as anyone but he's obviously a good coach.......We must continue to get better or we will die on the vine............

http://djournal.com/view/full_story...something-special?instance=home_news_1st_left

 

[dawgstudent]

As I said earlier this season, Ole Miss early on was setting up like we were in 2009. Luckily for us, Dan Mullen is not Houston Nutt at least I don't think he is. So - we won't be falling off a cliff anytime soon.

 

[DerHntr]

Your period key must be worn the 17 out

 

[Coach34]

teams dont go up every season- there are ups and downs over 3-5-8-10 year periods

Freeze is off to a good start- but he has a long way to go. Auburn and UPig wont be down for long. Mississippi still hasnt won the West- and they wont anytime soon. The West is Bammer, LSU, A&M, and then everybody else fighting to be respectable every season.

 

[Oxford Andrew]

I'm thrilled with Freeze so far but you can't judge any coach after one year.

It's hard to imagine we'll be worse in the next few years, though, and our schedule gets a little (though not a lot) easier. It's college football. Who the hell knows.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

greater than 6-6, but let's face it, they did play a much tougher schedule and played most of the West teams tougher than we did........You take those things into account along with the fact that they are young and it's easy to think they will be the better club for the forseable future......Take a look at the article attached......Their future is bright and if we want to stay ahead of them, Mullen MUST recruit better........Yes, Freeze had some talent but he also had a helluva lot of wholes to fil and fill them he did........I hate the bucked tooth SOB as much as anyone but he's obviously a good coach.......We must continue to get better or we will die on the vine............

http://djournal.com/view/full_story...something-special?instance=home_news_1st_left

Not sure if serious. But no, he hasn't surpassed him. We've always been told that it is harder to win at MSU than OM. If he has more than 29 wins in 4 years at OM, then we can say he is a better coach than Mullen.

 

[MedDawg]

We have a lot of young talent, too...

We had 4- and 5-stars redshirting and subbing in as true freshmen, and several other quality young players. Who's to say we won't get better, too?

As far as our schedule, after we play South Carolina, the East teams we have gone longest without playing will be Vandy and Missouri, so one of those will likely rotate on our schedule.

 

[Woof Man Jack]

Yes. Freeze is vastly superior to Mullen. No need for further discussion... So no need to start anymore dumbass threads about it. Holy **** people....

 

[Oxford Andrew]

Winning the west, at this point, means you're in national title contention.

I don't expect that. Ole Miss/MSU would have to have a very lucky year (and some other schools would have to have unlucky years) for that to happen.

 

[Dawg Jurist]

I thought this very early on in the season too. Ole Miss was overachieving and playing better teams really tough, just like we did in 2009. Unfortunately, the egg bowl only gave us 5 wins, and Ole Miss got 6 this year. I don't think we'll be next year what Ole Miss was in 2010 though. I don't expect a drop-off. I hope we snap out of the funk we were in for the last 5 games, win our bowl game, and go into the off season hungry and pissed about the Egg Bowl. The countdown clock should be a big motivator next year.

 

[Koldfire]

No. But he was better Saturday.

 

[Hanmudog]

I thought this very early on in the season too. Ole Miss was overachieving and playing better teams really tough, just like we did in 2009. Unfortunately, the egg bowl only gave us 5 wins, and Ole Miss got 6 this year. I don't think we'll be next year what Ole Miss was in 2010 though. I don't expect a drop-off. I hope we snap out of the funk we were in for the last 5 games, win our bowl game, and go into the off season hungry and pissed about the Egg Bowl. The countdown clock should be a big motivator next year.

Ole Miss played a tougher schedule than us this year but not even remotely close to our 2009 schedule which was ridiculous. Basically if Auburn and Arkansas field their usual teams this season then Ole Miss is looking at 4-8 again. By the same token we would probably be 6-6.

 

[LawDawg97]

No. He did a great job with what he inherited, but one year is too early

to tell. I remember people scared to death that Nutt was going to take them skyrocketing past us after 2008 and look where that landed. With all the crap we went through with Croom, the Egg Bowl record in the last 20 years is 11 - 9 in favor of MSU. Despite all the coaching changes and recruiting championships one thing has remained the same - neither school is going to dominate the other for any long period of time in the modern era. I wouldn't worry about "dying on the vine" with the administration we have. Unfortunately, with the difficulty in our league we're just going to have to hope for some consistency before jumping to any new levels.

 

[boatsandhoes]

Football is a strange animal. Look at AU and Arky this year. All the same players from two great teams that ended in a barrel of spunk. They didn't turn into suck that fast.

I describe the SEC as follows. There are 14 angry mean dogs and every year starting in Sept there is a huge battle royal fight. At least 4 or so dogs are going to die (KY, AU, UT, and Arky) every year. Several are gonna get maimed (Us, UM, SC, vandy) but survive. Then there are the alpha dogs left (LSU, UGA, aTm, Bama, FLA).

point being Freeze had a great year. Couple fumbles, int's, or non scores and it is a different story. It will turn into an Arky or AU quick. Freeze had a great year and things went his way this year. We survived...that is about all you can say about us.

 

[futaba.79]

I hope not........

but Mullen's '09 team had NFL players and Croom recruits Kyle Love, KJ Wright, Charles Mitchell and Jamar Chaney starting on Defense. That team also had Croom/Mullen recruits John Banks and Chris White starting. Marcus Washington, Brandon Cooper, Corey Broomfield and Charles Burns - all Croom recruits - were the others. Who off the 2012 team starts in '09? Boyd over Burns, Slay over Washington, Autry over Cooper. Is our talent level dropping?

And who on OM's 2012 defense could start for our '09 team? I don't think more than 2 or 3 could. That bothers me.

 

[KurtRambis4]

While

the D side of the ball had a great deal of talent in 09 (as now) the O was horrendous. God bless Tyson Lee, but give me a break. Him with our WRs were just asking to load the box EVERY down.

 

[futaba.79]

Really?

Our per game average is 18yds better in '12 than '09. Our rushing average is down 80 a game. I think the '09 OL was quite a bit better and we had much better backs. We've improved at QB, and the WRs are better I suppose.

The overall improvement in talent is hard for me to see.

 

[121Josey]

Score for dawgstudent! TSUN 2012 is MSU 2009. The only difference is that they beat another SEC team and will go to a bowl.

But just to be fair, Freeze had more talent to work with than what Mullen inherited.

 

[dawgstudent]

And give Freeze all the credit in the world b/c I and mostly everyone else thought they were going to be horrible this year. They benefited from a down Auburn and Arkansas (as did we) and got to a bowl.

 

[DanielPlainview]

I don't know about that. State's 09 team had a lot of future NFL stars and that showed the next year. The Rebs were an 0-8 lock coming into 2012.

 

[471dawg]

Who gives a 17

 

[cofreb]

Yet you

still managed to rush for 320 yds on Ole Miss. And Tyrone managed to survive not just that, but two more seasons of similar ineptitude. Facepalm.

 

[NatchezReb18]

How can you say things went TSUN's way?

Football is a strange animal. Look at AU and Arky this year. All the same players from two great teams that ended in a barrel of spunk. They didn't turn into suck that fast.

I describe the SEC as follows. There are 14 angry mean dogs and every year starting in Sept there is a huge battle royal fight. At least 4 or so dogs are going to die (KY, AU, UT, and Arky) every year. Several are gonna get maimed (Us, UM, SC, vandy) but survive. Then there are the alpha dogs left (LSU, UGA, aTm, Bama, FLA).

point being Freeze had a great year. Couple fumbles, int's, or non scores and it is a different story. It will turn into an Arky or AU quick. Freeze had a great year and things went his way this year. We survived...that is about all you can say about us.

How can you say that things went Freeze's way? Two bad spots by the officials cost him the Texas A&M and Vandy games. A 89 yard punt return with less than 5 minutes remaining cost him the LSU game. He was three plays away from being 9-3 with losses to Alabama, Georgia, and Texas. That is three teams that are playing this weekend for their conference championship. I believe the only close win he had was the Arkansas game. He did all this with less than 60 scholarship players playing for most of the year. TSUN was painfully thin on both lines and the defensive backfield. They had a 200 lb freshman linebacker and a 250 pound freshman nose tackle leading their defense. They had a 3rd string walk on starting in the defensive backfield. They had a junior college quarterback with awful mechanics. Their best option on a 3rd and 1 was a 170 pound running back. I believe that they started only 2 seniors on offense and 2 seniors on defense last Saturday. Any objective person would have to say that the future looks bright for Freeze and his program. Of course, as everyone knows, things in the SEC could get bad in a hurry, as Auburn can attest to.

 

[johnson86-1]

I don't know about that. State's 09 team had a lot of future NFL stars and that showed the next year. The Rebs were an 0-8 lock coming into 2012.

What Freeze did this year is no more impressive than what Mullen did his first year. Ole Miss was never as bad as they looked. They are just like we were in 2009 as far as talent goes. Some good pieces but not a complete team. In both the 09 and 12 egg bowls, the more talented team top to bottom lost because of coaching.

The one thing we have going for us is Mullen is probably not Nutt (although after the egg our offense laid, I'm not as sure as I was a week ago). The much bigger thing that UM has is Freeze is under no illusions as to what he has to do to recruit. He won't handicap himself for two years the way Mullen did.

 

[MedDawg]

Score for dawgstudent! TSUN 2012 is MSU 2009. The only difference is that they beat another SEC team and will go to a bowl.

But just to be fair, Freeze had more talent to work with than what Mullen inherited.

They didn't beat 'another' SEC team--we also were 3-5 in the SEC in 2009 just like they were this year.

The difference in our 5-7 and their 6-6 was we played a 10-win Houston team and an 11-win BCS bowl Ga Tech team out of conference in 2009 and they played 8-3 (soon to be 8-4) Texas this year.

 

[Coach 57]

Credit to Coach Freeze and his staff this season, they did a pretty damned good job. But today's football is not yesterdays. Football now is won & lost by the play of the guys behind center. It is clearly evident in the NFL as rookies like Luck, Bradford, Newton, and RG3 are now coming in & putting up crazy numbers. The difference between Mullen in 09' & Freeze this yr is pretty simple. Freeze recruited the hell out of Wallace and that was the difference between the two seasons and coaches. Wallace showed why he won a national championship in juco & made plays when plays needed to be made. Bottom line!

 

[MedDawg]

Freeze is winning with Nutt's players**

nm

 

[onewoof]

I had to phone a friend on this one. Vandy says no.

Have people forgotten that Freeze lost to 17n VANDY???? That he went for it on 4th down against A&M from the shotgun and lost that game with 6 turnovers? Is this even a serious question?

 

[Tomas Smid]

It is somewhat mind boggling that Mullen's product after

four years was totally out-classed by Freeze's group which has been through one spring and one fall practice with UM coaches. An anomaly? Perhaps. Only time will tell.

 

[Corch42]

Lots of teams have lost to Vandy the past two years.

They would give State everything they could handle and more than likely win.

 

[onewoof]

They would give State everything they could handle and more than likely win.

Facts are this. Vandy has beaten Ole Miss more than any other SEC team in recent years. Mullen has beaten Vandy every time he has played them. Vandy has a decent team this year but both Ole Miss and MSU should beat them, especially if playing them at home. Ole Miss did not beat them, lost to them in Oxford in fact, and that falls squarely on Freeze's shoulders.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Yeah! Those same ones he recruited after back-to-back Cotton Bowls who went on to quit on him then win only 4 games then only two games, and this is the same group that's about 20 players shy of the 85 limit.

In seriousness, I get what you're saying.Most of these players are guys Nutt recruited. Just as most of the guys Mullen has relied on are guys Croom recruited. Only time will tell if both can recruit well enough to continue to improve.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Yes really

If you wouldn't trade our WR this year and QB, then you are kidding yourself.

 

[maroonmania]

No, I've seen a lot of new coaches with good schemes do better than expected their first year. It will be interesting to see how effective OM continues to be next year after coaches have an off-season to study what OM likes to do and their tendencies on both offense and defense. And believe me they will. Its somewhat of the JLD syndrome. The longer you stay in a league and your schemes and calls become more familiar to opposing coaches the harder it becomes to be successful without having top line talent across the board to back up those schemes. I've seen it over and over.