So, how long do we leave Relf in this weekend against Alcorn?

[GhostOfJackie]

We should accept nothing less than pounding Alcorn like we did Memphis. With that said, I think it's important that we leave Relf in long enough to get as many reps as he can. We should play Tyler, but only at the end of the game. I think the pack (and every other Bulldog fan) is in agreement that Relf gives us our best chance at a 7-5 season. We should play him for three quarters and allow him to get establish a rhythm going in to Houston. A rhythm that he has not been able to establish playing SEC opponents. I know you risk injury playing him an extra quarter but he needs as much game time reps as he can get.

Is it more important that he gets reps to get himself into a rhythm? Or is it too risky?

what say ye?

 

[GhostOfJackie]

We should accept nothing less than pounding Alcorn like we did Memphis. With that said, I think it's important that we leave Relf in long enough to get as many reps as he can. We should play Tyler, but only at the end of the game. I think the pack (and every other Bulldog fan) is in agreement that Relf gives us our best chance at a 7-5 season. We should play him for three quarters and allow him to get establish a rhythm going in to Houston. A rhythm that he has not been able to establish playing SEC opponents. I know you risk injury playing him an extra quarter but he needs as much game time reps as he can get.

Is it more important that he gets reps to get himself into a rhythm? Or is it too risky?

what say ye?

 

[GhostOfJackie]

We should accept nothing less than pounding Alcorn like we did Memphis. With that said, I think it's important that we leave Relf in long enough to get as many reps as he can. We should play Tyler, but only at the end of the game. I think the pack (and every other Bulldog fan) is in agreement that Relf gives us our best chance at a 7-5 season. We should play him for three quarters and allow him to get establish a rhythm going in to Houston. A rhythm that he has not been able to establish playing SEC opponents. I know you risk injury playing him an extra quarter but he needs as much game time reps as he can get.

Is it more important that he gets reps to get himself into a rhythm? Or is it too risky?

what say ye?

 

[patdog]

Give Relf the rest. Maybe give the walkon a series or two in the 4th.

 

[JxnDawg39211]

Russell should start the entire second half UNLESS we get up by more than 4 tocuhdowns in the first half. Then Russell should play.

I honestly think Russell will play the third seriesto the end the game for some reason.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

Relf should play the first series of the 3rd quarter and no more.

It's not worth the risk of getting him hurt; and Russell needs the reps more than Relf.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

and let him have a half of doing it

 

[Coach34]

it should be well in hand by then, and then play Tyler the entire 2nd half...I dont like the switching them in and out

 

[Hanmudog]

If we get a two touchdown lead then I would sit him and put Russell in for most of the rest of the game unlessthe scoregets really out of hand and we put in whoever the third stringer is to avoid running up the score.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

and Russell needs the reps more than Relf.

If we are going to give our season to Relf, then why does Tyler need reps the most? Relf needs the practice because he is still really shaky on his passing attempts.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

ABSOLUTELY NO QB runs. If he takes off with the ball and goes past the line of scrimmage, he doesnt get to keep his "handshake" money and runs stairs after the game. We know he can run, this is a good time to work on his game speed passing. And we should run lots of passing plays that require touch.</p>

 

[patdog]

That makes no sense at all. I wouldn't run him as much as in other games, but it's just not realistic to think that the QB isn't going to have some carries in our offense.

 

[alabamadog]

I would prefer Relf and Russell not alternate series.</p>

 

[Coach34]

we need to run our regular offense and continue to let Ballard and Perkins grow as RB's in the run game. That's what is going to win games down the stretch. His passing is always going to be a struggle, throwing against Alcorn is not going to help that.

 

[PBRME]

Agreed. Split the halves and if we get up by at least 3 td's in the first half put him in the rest of the way.</p>

 

[Johnson85]

and Russell needs the reps more than Relf.

If we are going to give our season to Relf, then why does Tyler need reps the most? Relf needs the practice because he is still really shaky on his passing attempts.

At some point, we'll probably need Tyler Russell to comein andhandle a series or two.If it happens againstHouston, UK, or UM, we're really going to wish that TR has had some game time experience, even if it's against Alcorn.

My thought would be run Ballard and Perkins, let Relf work on some passes.Hopefully we can let TR have the second half to himself, although if we're up big, letting TR throw the ballall over the field won't look good.

 

[Todd4State]

Just so that he has experience going through the week as "the starter", which might benefit him later on in his career. I would let Tyler start the first two series, and then put Relf in. Leave Relf in once we get a 35 point lead or until the end of the third quarter UNLESS the game is still in the balance. If the game is still in the balance, leave Relf in. It really shouldn't be though, but I would rather be prepared than not.

And then next week start Relf again.

 

[Coach34]

He is 6'4, 240...do you know how tiring it gets for a defense to have to keep tackling someone that big?

I dont think he needs 20 carries a game, but there is no reason for him not have 15 carries every time he puts on his uniform. He's an option QB and you run him. That's what they are there for. I do agree that we need to run Ballard and Perkins more this week to let them work with Ralph and get better in the run game.

 

[Maron Whit]

Just so that he has experience going through the week as "the starter", which might benefit him later on in his career.

How? How does this in any way help the team Relf or Ruseell? if anything we need to pound the running backs early and often and try to perfect the passing scheme we plan on using for relf ie rolling and throwing on the run.

 

[Coach34]

Does Auburn need to let their back-up start this week too?
Should Tebow have missed a start last year to let Brantley go through a week as the starter?

Ralph has 4 career starts and needs to keep on getting most of the reps. We are playing for this season, not 2011 or 2012, and we need our RB's to get more work with Ralph in the option and power games.

Russell may not start a game at QB until 2012. The fact that he will get to play an entire 2nd half against Alcorn is good enough reps for him.

 

[Maron Whit]

makes you wonder if some of these guys have any clue at all about how football is played

 

[Todd4State]

Playing for this season? It's freaking Alcorn.

We should be able to win with Brantley Jones starting for us this weekend if we wanted to.

Relf knows what he's doing, he has SEC experience, he has starting experience. I just feel like starting Tyler Russell, who I wouldn't be surprised at all if he takes over as the starter next year because I can tell you right now Relf ain't gonna get any better throwing the ball and it's REALLY limiting us on what we can do offensively, would be beneficial to him down the road.

If this were Florida, Georgia, whoever, I would not do this. Yeah, we're playing for this year then. But since it's Alcorn, we can start Tyler and it will be OK. It's a little bit different being the starter and being the guy coming in as the back-up.

Not to mention- playing for this year- Relf has already been knocked out of games twice this year already- vs Auburn and LSU. Conserving him in this game IS the very essence of playing for this year. Why get Relf beat up in this game? We still have eight, hopefully nine more games to play. We need Relf for Bama, Florida, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Houston- not Alcorn. Or we shouldn't.

We can work on the option game with Relf and the running backs when he comes in during the third series forward. It's not like I'm suggesting that Relf doesn't play at all- I'm just suggesting that he doesn't start.


Not to mention- Tim Tebow was going for a Heisman, which meant he needed to pile stats. Who better to do that to than a lower division team? Isn't Auburn's back-up Kodi Burns? He has plenty of experience at QB.

And Ole Miss did the same thing with Dexter McCluster last year at RB. They held him out against Northern Arizona.

If we can not beat Alcorn without Relf starting, we don't deserve to go to a bowl. Period.

See there is this thing called QB development that we have royally sucked at. So that in 2011-2013 we won't be stuck with a guy that can only run the option and that's about it so that we can maybe, you know, use other people besides the QB and the RB/FB for once. That would be nice to see.

 

[patdog]

and to blow them the <17> from the start. Telling them that you're going to let your starting QB sit this one out sends the exact opposite message to them. Not to mention that Mississippi didn't have too much success with their I-AA game this year. We need to play our starters and we need them to play hard. They can rest and we can develop the backups after the game is in hand.

 

[Johnson85]

I'm not saying you don't give him the opportunities to repeat the UGA game; I think that should be our game plan. I'm just saying eventually, there's a good chance that he'll have to come out a series or two. If that happens against UF, UAT, or Ark, it probably doesn't matter cause we weren't going to win anyway. But if it happens against Houston, UK, or UM, I think Russell having a little more playing time before hand could make a difference in whether he is able to keep us in the game or not.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

I say we get 426yards rushing on them**

oneuppingolemissbecauseweareobsessedku

 

[Todd4State]

Just bring him in during the third series and go forward.

Alcorn is not in the realm of Jacksonville State. Jacksonville State would blow Alcorn out as well. SWAC schools are at the bottom of the I-AA food chain. When the SWAC would send teams to the playoffs, they would get their *** kicked. Honestly, we're almost playing a Division II team.

If Alcorn were to upset MSU, it would be the biggest win in SWAC history, and honestly would be more shocking than Michigan/Appalachain State, Ole Miss/Jacksonville State, and VT/James Madison.

 

[patdog]

I still think we should start Relf though. And you're right about Alcorn. Jacksonville St. would beat them by at least 20 points, and probably a good bit worse. They'll probably the the worst team to play on Scott Field in modern history.

 

[Coach34]

Playing for this season? It's freaking Alcorn.

We should be able to win with Brantley Jones starting for us this weekend if we wanted to.

Relf knows what he's doing, he has SEC experience, he has starting experience. I just feel like starting Tyler Russell, who I wouldn't be surprised at all if he takes over as the starter next year because I can tell you right now Relf ain't gonna get any better throwing the ball and it's REALLY limiting us on what we can do offensively, would be beneficial to him down the road. - we are more limited with Russell at QB...he is a stationary target that can be blitzed to death- Russell is not going to start at QB until we change the way we practice and spend more time on the passing game than we do the running game- getting our OL used to doing more pass blocking and have our WR's used to sight adjustments, hot routes, and lots of catching drills.

If this were Florida, Georgia, whoever, I would not do this. Yeah, we're playing for this year then. But since it's Alcorn, we can start Tyler and it will be OK. It's a little bit different being the starter and being the guy coming in as the back-up. - we want to come out against Alcorn and hammer them from the start. Ralph needs his confidence helped too. We need to run it down Alcorn's throat. Our RB's working with Ralph against live competition is way more important than getting Russell some reps.

Not to mention- playing for this year- Relf has already been knocked out of games twice this year already- vs Auburn and LSU. Conserving him in this game IS the very essence of playing for this year. Why get Relf beat up in this game? We still have eight, hopefully nine more games to play. We need Relf for Bama, Florida, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Houston- not Alcorn. Or we shouldn't. - When was Ralph knocked out of the Auburn game? He was standing on the sidelines with his headset on. And against LSU- he was ready to come back in after only a few plays. Nobody is saying Ralph should carry it 20 times vs Alcorn, but 8-10 wouldnt hurt. We will be much better off showing him he is the guy and we are behind him than any benefit of letting Russell start.

We can work on the option game with Relf and the running backs when he comes in during the third series forward. It's not like I'm suggesting that Relf doesn't play at all- I'm just suggesting that he doesn't start. - You dont want to play Ralph once we get up 28 points or so.


Not to mention- Tim Tebow was going for a Heisman, which meant he needed to pile stats. Who better to do that to than a lower division team? Isn't Auburn's back-up Kodi Burns? He has plenty of experience at QB. No, Kodi Burns is their 3rd team QB and works mostly at WR now.

And Ole Miss did the same thing with Dexter McCluster last year at RB. They held him out against Northern Arizona.

If we can not beat Alcorn without Relf starting, we don't deserve to go to a bowl. Period.- Nobody is saying we can't- but thats not the point. We want to be crisp and look good on offense- that's the goal. For better or worse, Ralph is the leader of the offense and you dont leave him on the sideline to start a game.

See there is this thing called QB development that we have royally sucked at. So that in 2011-2013 we won't be stuck with a guy that can only run the option and that's about it so that we can maybe, you know, use other people besides the QB and the RB/FB for once. That would be nice to see.

- exactly. Let Russell continue to get reps in practice and play when called upon so that he is ready in 2012 to take over as the starting QB. No need to rush him out there right now. Ralph is completing 58% of his passes and has had alot of drops by his WR's as well. If Berry catches the ball, we may have even beat Auburn. He needs his time to work live more than Russell because he will most probably be the QB for the next year and a half. Ralph is still developing too- let him.

 

[Maron Whit]

You make zero sense. You have to develop team chemistry. only way you get that is by reps. Practice is good, because that's all you have,but live games are better. doesn't matter if it's alcorn or what. only way relf shouldn't start this game is if he was hurt or if Russell legitiately gave us a better shot to win, which he doesn't. Start Relf, then go to Russell when we get up big. In no way does your scenario make sense.

the 2 qb situation hindered our offense. it's OK sometimes, like Florida used it, or how we did last year. But Russell just isn't ready for the big time right now.

 

[Todd4State]

You make zero sense. You have to develop team chemistry. only way you get that is by reps. Practice is good, because that's all you have,but live games are better. doesn't matter if it's alcorn or what. only way relf shouldn't start this game is if he was hurt or if Russell legitiately gave us a better shot to win, which he doesn't. Start Relf, then go to Russell when we get up big. In no way does your scenario make sense.

the 2 qb situation hindered our offense. it's OK sometimes, like Florida used it, or how we did last year. But Russell just isn't ready for the big time right now.

I know Tyler isn't ready for the big time- and Alcorn ISN'T big time. That's the point in starting him. So that when he is ready for the big time, he has something to draw back on.

I'm not saying that Relf shouldn't play this game. I'm not saying that Relf shouldn't practice. I'm not saying that Tyler should start any of the games for the rest of this year.

This is not going "kill team chemistry". You call Tyler and Relf in and the coach explains to both of them what is going to happen and make it clear that Relf will start the Houston game and games from there on out. Did the two QB system kill team chemistry for Memphis? No. And this is not even really a two QB system at all. This is starting an inexperienced player so that he can have that experience for the future. We're going to use both QB's in this game anyway.

 

[Maron Whit]

That's just it, there's no rhyme or reason to this. relf needs the reps, the practice of starting. Relf is the team leader. He starts. Russell doesn't need to start nowto help him in his career. How could it? that's retarded. It's just a bass ackwards unnecessary thing to do that will only stir up controversy, with the team, and with the fans.

until russell mans up and takes the starting job, he doesn't need to start. very very simple.

 

[Todd4State]

1. Stationary target? I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Tyler Russell moves better than you adverstise. Plus, I believe that our o-line can handle ALCORN's pass rush. If they can't, we're screwed. If Alcorn's pass rush is as good as LSU's, well it isn't, but I would be stunned.

2. Relf will have plenty of time to work on that. Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't play. We're going to play both anyway.

3. I can't remember the exact time he was knocked out, but it happened. He had to miss a play or two. Regardless, he is going to continue to take on some wear and tear for the rest of the year. Why not conserve him some against Alcorn?

4. I'm saying the third series- more than likely we will be up by no more than 14. Could be up by 28, but it's not likely.

5. See number two. Both are going to get reps. There is a need to get both ready. And we have to be ready in case Relf gets knocked out. Every team that we play from here on out knows what we do, and they know that we could be in big trouble in Relf goes down. We need to make sure that Tyler is ready just in case.

 

[paindonthurt_]

assuming we are always up by 14 let him keep throwing it around the entire first half.

Then bring in Russell.

Relf needs reps passing the ball against a live D, but doesn't need to get hurt.

Russell needs the same reps.

 

[Coach34]

other than it's a terrible idea. Nobody sits their starting QB down just because it's an easier opponent.

Coaches spend all their time telling their players to play one game at a time- it goes against that
Coaches constantly tell players to take every opponent seriously- it goes against that

Every team needs a leader and it's usually your QB- it's no accident we finally beat a good team when we stuck with one QB. You talk about being limited on offense- Georgia is 5th in total defense in the SEC so far after playing 2 of the best offense in Arkansas and SC. Obviously what we do with Ralph is very effective. We wore them down and got big plays in the 4th quarter because we were finally patient.

You just simply have a bad idea.

And who thinks Russell moves well? Did you not see the LSU game?

 

[Lawson36]

just a name you made up?

 

[muscleshoalssound]

I have a good feeling that he is going to come out this Saturday (if you can consider Alcorn "coming out"). I bet he gets at least one big run and has well over 100 yards.

 

[Todd4State]

Then again, we are talking about the guy that spiked the ball to end a game.

I know that this isn't a conventional idea. I don't know what our coaches tell our players, but I have 100% confidence in our players that they will beat Alcorn's tail no matter who we start at QB, and also no matter how long they play in the game. I also have 100% confidence that our coaches can comminicate what they are doing and that it won't affect team chemistry or cause a major issue. I also have 100% confidence in the competence of our staff to get both QB's the work, reps, and etc. that both need. I also have confidence in our staff that they will prepare our team and take them seriously no matter who starts at QB.

Remember we beat JSU last year without our leader Anthony Dixon as well, and we were OK.



And yes, I not only saw the LSU game, I was AT the LSU game. I witnessed Tyler Russell running 2 or 3 option plays effectively. I have also witnessed Tyler Russell in high school running it some as well. I'm not saying he's Micheal Vick, but he isn't Phil Simms either.

I agree with sticking with Relf for SEC games, Houston, and even UAB. But this team is a totally different animal than any of those other teams. Again, if we need Relf to wear down a SWAC team, we're staying at home anyway.

 

[Coach34]

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[Coach34]

in the last regular season game of the season. Miles was making a QB change- not letting Jefferson start for the hell of it. Jefferson has started every game since.

And it's not that we need Ralph to beat Alcorn, but those guys need to be in there from the start, while the game is still in doubt to get their work in. Then you after that, you let Russell and the rest have their fun and throw it around.

And Russell had one good run on the first carry that caught LSU totally by surprise- and got 7 yards. His last 2 carries were for 4 and 3 yards. Once LSU changed their D against him after that first drive- we only ran him one more time. We didnt want to get him killed after the way he looked the triple we ran to the left. There was nothing effective about his running after the first surprise carry.

 

[Todd4State]

You're surprised that we're going to let a guy whose strength is passing throw it when we're behind in a game where Relf got his bell rung? We lose Russell, and it's potentially Favre time. Also, I would take 4+ yards per carry from pretty much anyone as effective. Even if you discount his "surprise" first carry, that's still 3.5 per carry.