So I'm thinking it would be very bad for State, Ole Miss, etc....

[DowntownDawg]

...if the SEC expands and adds big time programs like Texas, not to mention adding an Oklahoma.

You can kiss the SEC championship goodbye in football. Bama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, and Texas are all not gonna be down in the same year.

Same for baseball.

Maybe it would strengthen an extremely weak basketball division.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...if the SEC expands and adds big time programs like Texas, not to mention adding an Oklahoma.

You can kiss the SEC championship goodbye in football. Bama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, and Texas are all not gonna be down in the same year.

Same for baseball.

Maybe it would strengthen an extremely weak basketball division.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...if the SEC expands and adds big time programs like Texas, not to mention adding an Oklahoma.

You can kiss the SEC championship goodbye in football. Bama, Auburn, LSU, Arkansas, and Texas are all not gonna be down in the same year.

Same for baseball.

Maybe it would strengthen an extremely weak basketball division.

 

[topdawg.sixpack]

Someone mentioned on here having 4 divisions? Again, all of this is speculation, and who knows how it would turn out.

 

[Oxford Godfrey]

And why is Arkansas in that list you rattled off? Really? Powerhouse?

 

[AROB44]

the ONLY hope would be for State and OM to combine.I know this is blasphemous, but absent combining, we both will be in the bottom in football, baseball, and basketball. Since combining is not a real possiblility, we would be doomed to the cellar in all three sports.

 

[futaba.79]

I just Texas doesn't counter with conditions that might be detrimental to us.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

Texas, Texas AM, Oklahoma, Ok. State

LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss, MSU

Alabama, Auburn, UT, Vandy

Georgia, Florida, SC, UK

Play your division, your permanent rival (UK in our case), and a whole 'nother division. 8 SEC games. Then each division winner would match up with another for semis, then finals in GA Dome.

Would be freaking sweet.

 

[patdog]

That would require a 2-round conference playoff and the NCAA won't allow that. It'll be 2 divisions of 8 teams each. It's possible the division assignments could rotate though, with each school having 3 permanent divisional opponents and 4 rotating divisional opponents.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

But I was unaware of it when I outline my thoughts below.

 

[ckDOG]

I'm more worried about picking up an extra conference game, regardless of who we are playing against. If we are at the level where we could potentially compete for an SEC championship (with or without extra teams), we'll have our opportunities. I'm more worried about our "typical year" implications with replacing a potentially cakewalk non-conference game with a game that could be a very likely loss. We have enough troubles getting bowl eligible as it is, I don't want our non-conference "guaranteed W" opportunities to shrink.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...you know, 5 programs out of 6 in the SEC West.

 

[topdawg.sixpack]

The fourconferenceswould join together to form their own governing body, telling the NCAA where to go. More money for them.

 

[DowntownDawg]

and you play your division plus 2 rotating teams from the other division.

 

[topdawg.sixpack]

Then each division winner would match up with another for semis, then finals in GA Dome.

The two western division champs would play in the Superdome, the two eastern divisions in Nashville....Finals in GA Dome. <div>
</div><div>Mo' money to go around......</div>

 

[AlCoDog]

of establishing the mega-conferences to tell the NCAA to take a 17ing hike?

 

[Mr Meoff]

*

 

[SpongeBob58]

Seeing as how both schools are among the top in the nation in attendance and coaches pay in baseball, I don't see why we would be in the cellar there.

 

[RobbieRandolph]

And the 4 schools I listed probably would make the most money for the league. Though you're probably right, the 4 megaconferences could simply go tell the NCAA to shove it.

 

[FlabLoser]

The fourconferenceswould join together to form their own governing body, telling the NCAA where to go. More money for them.

Except that two of the said superpowers, The Big Ten and the PAC-10, are hugely opposed to playoffs. Hell they don't even have conf championships today.

 

[8dog]

d

 

[topdawg.sixpack]

But in inner-conference, I could see a two game playoff. Hell, that is where the money is made. TV deals and so on.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....Even if the Big 10 goes to 16, I don't think it's set in stone that we add 4 teams. The Big East has more teams than the SEC right now, at least in basketball, and that hasn't been an issue. I think Slive would go for quality over quantity.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

it needs to be 4 quality teams that add to the conference. I don't see why Oklahoma State needs including.<div>
</div><div>I say add Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, and Virginia Tech.</div><div>
</div><div>Swap Vandy to the West and Alabama and Auburn to the East.</div><div>
</div><div>In each division you have 3 very strong teams (Texas, LSU, Oklahoma vs. Florida, Alabama, Virginia Tech) that will duke it out most years. Play 7 teams in the division and 2 rotating from the other side for a 9-game schedule.</div>

 

[SnakePlissken]

new mega conferences could tell the other (remaining) institutions/members to screw themselves. The NCAA is not a seperate entity as the NCAA is made up of the of the universities themselves. Therefore, they can't actually tell the NCAA to shove it....they would only be telling themselves to shove it if that were the case.

 

[bbqbully]

because if the SEC adds anyor allof the 4 likely candidates (UT, T-AM, OU, OSU), it's very likely that the conference will force out 2 of the lower tier schools in order to reinforce it's "mega-conference" status. And who do you think that will be? MState and probably Vandy. If this takes place, I see us competing for a C-USA championship very soon.

 

[West Tn Dawg]

if I am not mistaken, a charter member can not be forced out. Just what I have heard.

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

I just Texas doesn't counter with conditions that might be detrimental to us.

As in MSU to the CUSA? I could see that happening. College athletics seems to be headed for 2 or 3 Super Conferences. If that happens, some programs will fall through the cracks.

 

[bbqbully]

if I am not mistaken, a charter member can not be forced out. Just what I have heard.

officials are supposed to call games impartially and the commissioner isn't supposed to favor one school over another. Just saying that rules canand are broken whenit benefits the powers that be.

 

[West Tn Dawg]

if I am not mistaken, a charter member can not be forced out. Just what I have heard.

officials are supposed to call games impartially and the commissioner isn't supposed to favor one school over another. Just saying that rules canand are broken whenit benefits the powers that be.

Can't really argue that!

 

[SnakePlissken]

Surely that carries some security and weight to it? I can see how S Carolina and Ark wouldn't have any leverage since they were voted in but to kick out a charter member....I don't see it happening. Our attendance at the big three sports makes us legit members alone and only in football (I know that is important) have not been to post season play consistently in the last 20 years. We've been to the NCAAT and NIT in basketball most years and we've been in regionals and even Omaha a couple of times in the last 20 years. Maybe I am blinded but I don't see the SEC kicking us out (especially when they are trying to expand).

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

Say the big boys from the ACC, the SEC, and the Big 12 decided to form a new league.<div>
</div><div>If that were to happen, it wouldn't be a case of MSU getting voted out, it would be a case of not getting invited in.</div>

 

[patdog]

The old WAC had a similar rule that no one could be voted out. When the 8 large schools decided they were tired of playing with the 8 small ones, they simply left the WAC and formed the MWC. There's nothing to stop the 9 big schools (I include Kentucky because of basketball) from joining with say Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma and forming a new league. For that matter, there's nothing to stop them from kicking South Carolina to the curb to add North Carolina either. From their perspective, that would be a win-win. They add the lucrative Texas and North Carolina TV markets plus a national football power in Oklahoma and still only have to split the revenue 12 ways. This would be the power conference to end all power conferences:

East:
North Carolina
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia
Florida
Auburn

West:
Alabama
LSU
Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M
Oklahoma

I don't think that would happen, but it could.

 

[FordRanger4x4]

This is never gonna happen, Texas, A&M, and Ok would never join the SEC or even talk about being in the same conference as Florida or Alabama. because then it would become much much harder to play in the NC or any bowl game, they would have to beat the SEC's best team, and all the teams that gave that school hell, Alabama and Florida earned their records this past year, a lot of close games all over the SEC. Now take Texas, already playing some pretty good teams, add those in with the SEC and that is one hell of a conference, a conference that will just about be impossible to be undefeated in and we will constantly be watching USC play Ohio State in the NC. Sure it would seem better for TV deals and such because EVERYONE in the south would be watching that conference, but take away national championship hopes and no one will join. the past 4 years have proved, If you can be undefeated or one loss in the Big-12, your about to play and lose to the SEC champion in the NC. but your still in the game, still sell t-shirts, still get to say you went, still get every football fan across the country watching your team play.

it would be kinda cool though, call it the Big South.

im game to give Vandy the boot and let VTech join the east though. nah, nvm. we desperatly need Vandy.

 

[RebelBruiser]

So in an expansion effort, I'd like to see the SEC only add Texas and Texas A&M, or Texas and Oklahoma.

In that instance, you go to 14 teams. 16 is too many and harder to deal with for scheduling. You'd add the new additions to the West. You'd move Auburn and Alabama to the East, since 2 of their big rivals, UGA and UT respectively, are already in the East. Then you move either UK or Vandy to the West. Division splits go this way:

West:
Texas
Oklahoma/Texas A&M
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
MSU
Vanderbilt

East:
Tennessee
Georgia
Florida
Auburn
Alabama
South Carolina
Kentucky

In football, you could still play 1 permanent from the other division, and I'd split it this way (Florida-LSU, SC-Arkansas, Tennessee-Vandy, MSU-UK, Ole Miss-Georgia, Auburn-A&M/OU, Alabama-Texas).

That's assuming you'd want to do any permanents. If you don't want to do permanents, you play 6 division games and 2 rotating games. If not, you have 6 division games, 1 permanent, and then either 1 or 2 permanents depending on whether you want to go to 8 or 9 conference games. I think the ultimate decision would be to go to 9 conference games. It's more attractive for TV deals to have more conference games, so I think 9 may be the future if expansion comes.

The nightmare scenario for us would be if they added Texas/Oklahoma to the West and then two ACC teams to the East like FSU/UNC to go to 16 teams. Having Texas, OU, Auburn, Bama, and LSU in the West would be awful for us.

 

[Oxford Godfrey]

Arkansas doesn't have a SEC title, that's what stuck out.

 

[PBRME]

When the Big East expands to 16, every other conference will be in a race to secure their members. It's not a matter of if, but when. Everything I'm reading is the landscape of college football will be completely different by 2015.

Whether it makes sense or not, it make cents. CBS and ESPN will add pressure to the SEC to add more revenue producing teams. The biggest targets will be TX and OK. The other 2 teams fall in place because of the natural rivalry, A&M and OSU. That will most likely be your 4 teams. None of those teams will turn down the potential revenue in the SEC.

After those teams it gets a little harder to tell. Miami, FL State, Clemson, and either GA Tech, UNC or VA Tech will be the next 4.

 

[8dog]

once the dominos begin to fall.

 

[Mr Meoff]

they're gonna need to find wins somewhere. That lineup looks like a coach's worst nightmare.

 

[patdog]

But I bet those coaches wouldn't be complaining too much about the huge raises they'd get if that did happen.