So it's looking like Wage Scale and Constitution Carry laws about
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Don't know enough about the Wage Scale to have an opinion. Even as an ardent supporter of the "Shall Issue", I'm personally not real sure about the Constitutional Carry stuff.
Way premature to make that claim. Considering this legislature is relatively new compared to the past 50 years.
There is some craziness however. There is a State Senator from the Eastern Panahandle that has proposed legislation to allow Berkeley County to circumvent Martinsburg code and build a drug rehabilitation center in city limits that aren't zone for those uses.
After they eliminate prevailing wage and implement right to work, there will be more and more people on welfare and SS and the state will go further in debt.
There aren't very many jobs here for most people anymore. There are a lot of reasons for it, I'm just trying to find the one I can blame on Bush.
We used to have a lot of coal jobs, the steel mills, etc. The plant my dad worked at for decades just shut down and is gone now. Other than some things in the technology corridor, there isn't anything to draw people into the state. Our leadership has mostly catered to the coal companies without any thought of an exit strategy when those jobs were gone.
I think we should legalize weed and move to that. We already have the climate, topology and knowhow.
Oh, you're wrong ... see, if you cater to the big businesses and lower their expenses so they can maximize profits, it results in job creation that trickles down to the working class. It's obvious ... just look around.
Nice try........and what Planet did you just arrive from? We all know you aren't the "sharpest knife in the drawer" but you have really outdone yourself with this one.
There aren't very many jobs here for most people anymore. There are a lot of reasons for it, I'm just trying to find the one I can blame on Bush.
We used to have a lot of coal jobs, the steel mills, etc. The plant my dad worked at for decades just shut down and is gone now. Other than some things in the technology corridor, there isn't anything to draw people into the state. Our leadership has mostly catered to the coal companies without any thought of an exit strategy when those jobs were gone.
I think we should legalize weed and move to that. We already have the climate, topology and knowhow.
Agree and I'm with you on the weed deal since its the largest cash crop in the state. P.S..... Maybe you can school Country a little about the past history of state government in this state.
Past history isn't good ... but I don't see where the current crop is helping anything either. Seems like they want everybody to be poor, desperate, and well armed ... what could possibly go wrong?
Don't talk like that with Airport around.
I don't see the endgame or the "out" for the state with the stuff they are passing. As a former union worker, I wholly agree with "right to work", but am also concerned about abuses by employers. There is certainly a long history of exploitation of the people and natural resources. I'm a bit apprehensive about making this easier for them to do even more.
Ideally the representatives would be working on new industries. Mostly I just see bitching and moaning about Obama and the EPA, while ignoring that coal mining jobs represent a very small percentage of jobs now. Where did all those jobs go? What has replaced them?
I am willing to give them a few more years. If you check where we stand in all measures of quality of life, education and economics, what harm is it to try a different path? If they don't perform, I'll be the first to vote them out. What will most likely happen is that our "business as usual" governor will veto anything they do.
Hey born yesterday, do you agree with Forced Pooling? That is the exact mentality of this legislature.
Don't talk like that with Airport around.
I don't see the endgame or the "out" for the state with the stuff they are passing. As a former union worker, I wholly agree with "right to work", but am also concerned about abuses by employers. There is certainly a long history of exploitation of the people and natural resources. I'm a bit apprehensive about making this easier for them to do even more.
Ideally the representatives would be working on new industries. Mostly I just see bitching and moaning about Obama and the EPA, while ignoring that coal mining jobs represent a very small percentage of jobs now. Where did all those jobs go? What has replaced them?
The gov will veto any right to work laws. A state Repub proposed lowering the business tax in an effort to attract new industries. Guess what???? The status quo Dems started with their usual big business bullsh*t.
No.....did it pass? I was smart enough when I did a gas lease on property we owned to force the gas company to rewrite the contract and declare our property a separate unit instead of part of a unit that included other land owners.
As I said to Whitetail, I'm willing to give them a chance. If it turns out to be business as usual I'll vote them out just as I did the previous idiot AG who thought people would vote for him because of the key fobs he sent to them.
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Don't talk like that with Airport around.
I don't see the endgame or the "out" for the state with the stuff they are passing. As a former union worker, I wholly agree with "right to work", but am also concerned about abuses by employers. There is certainly a long history of exploitation of the people and natural resources. I'm a bit apprehensive about making this easier for them to do even more.
Ideally the representatives would be working on new industries. Mostly I just see bitching and moaning about Obama and the EPA, while ignoring that coal mining jobs represent a very small percentage of jobs now. Where did all those jobs go? What has replaced them?
Since I live in Va and have for the last 31 years, it's hard for me to know what's good for WV. I know that RTW states have a leg up in attracting new business. The SS/disability fraud that goes on does not encourage businesses to locate there. If you watch the ads on TV for NY, they advertise how there taxes for business is the lowest in decades. If NY wasn't being hurt, do you think that they would be advertising this approach. Courts can protect workers better than unions. I think change is difficult but not having any new businesses and jobs is more difficult. Maybe it's time for a different appraoch
People seem to forget about the new tax revenues that would be generated by the new jobs. Very simple, more paid employees= more tax revenue from payroll,to the money those employees spend and the property they own. .
And what is the era in which natural resources industries were abusive? There were changes made to the coal industry with unionization. Likewise the factory workers. And can include longshoremen. That was a different era unless you have some kind of report of modern day abuse which I am very doubtful. I think you have used Blankenship as your straw man in the past. Do you have some evidence of industry wide misuse?
But it does not provide a vote for any of the politicians when people realize they can and will provide for themselves.
That's why abolishing the IRS really makes sense. Moves some power out of DC and back to the people.
If you can add jobs. Lower wages means lower tax revenues, fewer contributions to SS, Medicare/Medicaid.
I have a cousin/uncle that work with people on leases with the gas companies to make sure they don't get screwed.
I am totally against forced pooling. I'm not crazy about the fracking in general but you can't get the toothpaste back in the tube.
I agree with that. However, with the way everything has always seemed to go in this state, the new laws may just lead to increased profits to out of state businesses and not actually generate any new business in the state. I really hope I'm wrong, but that's my fear.
The first step is making the state more attractive for businesses.
I agree with your point in general. We are last in damn near anything, so the status quo clearly hasn't worked. I'm just concerned in the direction we may be headed. Are we leading to growth or accelerating demise? I have no idea what the answer to that is, time will tell.
I never mentioned lowering wages. I am for lowering the business tax. One of the arguments for a lower business tax rate is that the business's may be able to pay a higher wage. Some tax revenue is better than NO tax revenue. Also who pays when a person and families have ZERO income? Business's need a reason to come to WV. I'm willing to try something different. The coal industry and past WV lawmakers have destroyed this state.
I don't have any problems whatsoever with giving companies tax breaks or incentives to attract them here. Look at what we did with Toyota and who was primarily responsible for getting them here? Rockefeller, one of those nasty dems that you guys like to say is part of the same old same old.
What I am against, is out of state companies (coal mining companies) making billions at the expense of hard working middle class WVians, then declaring bankruptcy (Freedom Industries after poisoning our water) when something goes wrong and we WVians are left out in the cold with no retirement and not much to show for a lifetime of hard work and sacrificing our health.
That is what this legislature is all about.
What I am against, is out of state companies (coal mining companies) making billions at the expense of hard working middle class WVians, then declaring bankruptcy (Freedom Industries after poisoning our water) when something goes wrong and we WVians are left out in the cold with no retirement and not much to show for a lifetime of hard work and sacrificing our health.
That is what this legislature is all about.
What about the past legislatures that we had for years and years and were in control when all of the things you detest happened. I suggest you leave politics out of this for once and come to your senses.
How many wages would be lowered. If a few may lose a little so that many may gain is OK with me.
He also forgot to mention all that money that was stuffed into to the state politicians pockets that looked the other way ALL the years.
Spoken like a true Democrat.
I call myself a Republican who attempts to call it like it is. The history of WV political leadership speaks for itself.