So, it's Palatine, right?

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Every year there is a team that pops up whose supporters are so confident they will be the it team the board becomes compelled to watch closely and critique on a weekly basis. Some ride the wave to edgy heaven others fall and sink to davy jones locker.

Palatine this year, right?

 

[DOUBLEHARRY]

They sure look good on paper. Week 1 for them is a great test also.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

The drinks will be flowing at Durty Nellie's this season.

 

[Bowie50]

It's going to be tough going for the Pirates in the playoff to get over the HF, Rambler hurrdle to win it all.

 

[DeanOfSelection]

I have a Palatine-LA rematch set in semi's

 

[Bowie50]

If IHSA goes 32 seeding with no north/south division and both are 9-0 - they should meet in the finals.

 

[Cross Bones]

If IHSA goes 32 seeding with no north/south division and both are 9-0 - they should meet in the finals.

This assumes there are no other 9-0 teams in 8A like LWE or the DVC champ or some CPL rep. Also assumes there's no challenge from an 8-1 HF type team. Or maybe an 8-1 (or 9-0) GBW sneaks into 8A. After all I did watch that Palatine-Sandburg game last year (that looked like the Eagles were going to win).

I think 8A is already interesting since the playoffs begin in week 1 for some conferences.

 

[kpjasion]

This assumes there are no other 9-0 teams in 8A like LWE or the DVC champ or some CPL rep. Also assumes there's no challenge from an 8-1 HF type team. Or maybe an 8-1 (or 9-0) GBW sneaks into 8A. After all I did watch that Palatine-Sandburg game last year (that looked like the Eagles were going to win)

I think 8A is already interesting since the playoffs begin in week 1 for some conferences.

And that's the problem with me or anyone saying their team will definitely get there. Things like the weather can play a huge factor. Palatine was down to Sandburg a good portion of the game in really rainy crappy weather and needed a stop on a two point conversion to win, yet the next week in nice weather we put up 35 points in the first half against an OPRF team no one except GW had scored upon really. If it hadn't been 11 degrees on a slick field do we stay with last year's Loyola team and threaten to tie them with under three minutes left? Who knows? What I do know is we have an all state QB returning who outperformed a Michigan State recruit at the opening, I think we'll have 5 WR's over 6"2' to choose from, two of whom are athletic beasts(Grochowski and O'Shea), two slot receivers who both went downstate for track in the spring, a vastly underrated starting RB returning and two juniors who could step in and do very well behind him, two returning LB's that are both very good and a pair of safeties that again are also both beasts. And if anyone gets injured except Oles they're deep enough to have a varsity starter level replacement step in. Our really good kicker (who won the Barrington game with a 41 yard boot that would have been good from 51) has graduated, but I saw Grochowski kick 40+ yarders as a sophomore (plus he's a lefty kicker which you don't see much). So knowing all that, yeah I think they have as good a shot as anyone. Max Preps has them at #2 in state, so why not Palatine?

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

And that's the problem with me or anyone saying their team will definitely get there. Things like the weather can play a
huge factor. Palatine was down to Sandburg a good portion of the game in really rainy crappy weather and needed a stop on a two point conversion to win, yet the next week in nice weather we put up 35 points in the first half against an OPRF team no one except GW had scored upon really. If it hadn't been 11 degrees on a slick field do we stay with last year's Loyola team and threaten to tie them with under three minutes left? Who knows? What I do know is we have an all state QB returning who outperformed a Michigan State recruit at the opening, I think we'll have 5 WR's over 6"2' to choose from, two of whom are athletic beasts(Grochowski and O'Shea), two slot receivers who both went downstate for track in the spring, a vastly underrated starting RB returning and two juniors who could step in and do very well behind him, two returning LB's that are both very good and a pair of safeties that again are also both beasts. And if anyone gets injured except Oles they're deep enough to have a varsity starter level replacement step in. Our really good kicker (who won the Barrington game with a 41 yard boot that would have been good from 51) has graduated, but I saw Grochowski kick 40+ yarders as a sophomore (plus he's a lefty kicker which you don't see much). So knowing all that, yeah I think they have as good a shot as anyone. Max Preps has them at #2 in state, so why not Palatine?

Strange when I go to maxpreps web site it only lists the final rankings from last season for Illinois teams. I can't find any preseason rankings for teams in Illinois (only the top 25 preseason national teams).

 

[kpjasion]

Strange when I go to maxpreps web site it only lists the final rankings from last season for Illinois teams. I can't find any preseason rankings for teams in Illinois (only the top 25 preseason national teams).

Go to any teams 2016 preview page and you can see it:

http://[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/15qxao2.jpg[/IMG]

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Go to any teams 2016 preview page and you can see it:

http://[IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/15qxao2.jpg[/IMG]

Awesome! many thanks!!

 

[Cross Bones]

Those rankings are calpreps computer ratings. They have us #42 after the likes of Marengo and Immaculate Conception.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Those rankings are calpreps computer ratings. They have us #42 after the likes of Marengo and Immaculate Conception.

pls god, no one ever cite cal preps rankings.

I mean...who other than bones who have the brook ranked behind Marengo and IC?

 

[Cross Bones]

pls god, no one ever cite cal preps rankings.

I mean...who other than bones who have the brook ranked behind Marengo and IC?

Only if they were on the schedy

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

Those rankings are calpreps computer ratings. They have us #42 after the likes of Marengo and Immaculate Conception.

Yeah I know the preseason rankings are a bunch of crap on max preps but it's still interesting to take a gander and see what cal preps quantum computers can come up with.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Yeah I know the preseason rankings are a bunch of crap on max preps but it's still interesting to take a gander and see what cal preps quantum computers can come up with.

There is something interesting about about seeing the results of quantum computer analysis, but not when it's horrible. That's a waste of time.

If you want some interesting preseason rankings ask dean, epic, bones, newt and a few others. There give you something A) more realistic, B) more interesting, something to build an argument around.

 

[kpjasion]

There is something interesting about about seeing the results of quantum computer analysis, but not when it's horrible. That's a waste of time.

If you want some interesting preseason rankings ask dean, epic, bones, newt and a few others. There give you something A) more realistic, B) more interesting, something to build an argument around.

I just like 'em because they favor my team

 

[Cross Bones]

I just like 'em because they favor my team

I like you guys helmets

 

[jwarigaku]

Jchill,

I think the computers can be good as the season progresses. The biggest issue with cal preps in the preseason is that all the data is reliant on what the coaches or their chosen minions do or do not send back about what the team looks like, how many starters were lost/retained, who or how many of the current or rising players appear to have D-1 talent etc. The information that is given then gets run into a faceless computer for data reduction. Now if a coach elects to not respond, there is no data injected into the equation for the upcoming season and it results in a rather large hit to the teams initial ranking(see MC and DaBrook as well as a few other notables)hence the feeling of GIGO.

I'll take edgy's take on the teams that I don't know and inject things about the teams I do and sort out what looks reasonable before the Cal Preps preseason for sure, but as weeks 6-9 and beyond roll on, those computer models tend to get much more reliable even if not perfect.

There is something interesting about about seeing the results of quantum computer analysis, but not when it's horrible. That's a waste of time.

If you want some interesting preseason rankings ask dean, epic, bones, newt and a few others. There give you something A) more realistic, B) more interesting, something to build an argument around.

 

[Voodoo Tatum 21]

There is something interesting about about seeing the results of quantum computer analysis, but not when it's horrible. That's a waste of time.

If you want some interesting preseason rankings ask dean, epic, bones, newt and a few others. There give you something A) more realistic, B) more interesting, something to build an argument around.

That would be a FANTASTIC Thread! maybe each of them could have their top 20 preseason thread (like the coaches poll, the AP poll etc). Then the peanut gallery (me included) can chime in. Isn't EDGY himself supposed to be revealing his top 25 in August?

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

Jchill,

I think the computers can be good as the season progresses. The biggest issue with cal preps in the preseason is that all the data is reliant on what the coaches or their chosen minions do or do not send back about what the team looks like, how many starters were lost/retained, who or how many of the current or rising players appear to have D-1 talent etc. The information that is given then gets run into a faceless computer for data reduction. Now if a coach elects to not respond, there is no data injected into the equation for the upcoming season and it results in a rather large hit to the teams initial ranking(see MC and DaBrook as well as a few other notables)hence the feeling of GIGO.

I'll take edgy's take on the teams that I don't know and inject things about the teams I do and sort out what looks reasonable before the Cal Preps preseason for sure, but as weeks 6-9 and beyond roll on, those computer models tend to get much more reliable even if not perfect.

Agrèd

 

[capnbillhitters]

I like Palatine and remember them being a hard hitting, well-coached motivated team a couple of years ago that was beating GW before Brodner freaked out for 305 yards and 5 TDs. Those kids came back last year and abused some really good teams.

Maybe keep an eye on NN for this thread as well

 

[mchsalumni]

Palatine, LA, LWE. CG, PR are in my top 5, just not sure what order. Need a few weeks into the season to calibrate.

Looks like a good year to be north of 90! @LakeCtyNewt should approve this message.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

I like Palatine and remember them being a hard hitting, well-coached motivated team a couple of years ago that was beating GW before Brodner freaked out for 305 yards and 5 TDs. Those kids came back last year and abused some really good teams.

Maybe keep an eye on NN for this thread as well

With Palatine, I'm hesitant to go top 5 when there are some more established teams out there with harder schedules. What I need to see from Palatine has absolutely zero to do with their offense. that part will be fine and should be impressive. I need to see their defense shut out teams on what I consider a soft-ish schedule. After about 5 weeks of seeing that, then maybe a top five. For example, I like brook and GW better. Unless one of them gets blown out (which would only be the brook even though I have them winning the game...), I won't move Pal ahead of either one of them based on SoS.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

With Palatine, I'm hesitant to go top 5 when there are some more established teams out there with harder schedules. What I need to see from Palatine has absolutely zero to do with their offense. that part will be fine and should be impressive. I need to see their defense shut out teams on what I consider a soft-ish schedule. After about 5 weeks of seeing that, then maybe a top five. For example, I like brook and GW better. Unless one of them gets blown out (which would only be the brook even though I have them winning the game...), I won't move Pal ahead of either one of them based on SoS.

JC I agree. I think you Will learn a lot about Palatine by week 4. With Stevenson and New Trier in the first four games and then a stretch of Fremd Barrington and Conant, this is a brutal schedule.

Much much different when everyone is gunning for you. Lots of talent and prohibitive favorite in MSL

 

[kpjasion]

With Palatine, I'm hesitant to go top 5 when there are some more established teams out there with harder schedules. What I need to see from Palatine has absolutely zero to do with their offense. that part will be fine and should be impressive. I need to see their defense shut out teams on what I consider a soft-ish schedule. After about 5 weeks of seeing that, then maybe a top five. For example, I like brook and GW better. Unless one of them gets blown out (which would only be the brook even though I have them winning the game...), I won't move Pal ahead of either one of them based on SoS.

So, their defense is never designed to shut out people. It's a soft cover 2 that is designed to give up yards but limit big plays. Case in point is Barrington Vs Palatine the last two years, really it was the defense that got us the MSL West title the last two years.

Barrington's per game point totals thru the Palatine game each year:

2014: 37, 41, 32, 49, 56, 42, 55 --> 14 (vs Palatine)
2015: 50, 46, 42, 42, 35, 40 --> 24 (vs Palatine)

Alot of good high school teams like to score on big plays and don't react as well when they need to grind out a win.

Now, we have had issues against good running teams (see above note about GW playoff game is 2014...was 7-7 with 2 minutes left in first half and wound up 41-7 GW due to Brodner, as well as last year's Fremd game), but we will have probably more talent and physicality in this year's defense..especially in the defensive backfield.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

So, their defense is never designed to shut out people. It's a soft cover 2 that is designed to give up yards but limit big plays. Case in point is Barrington Vs Palatine the last two years, really it was the defense that got us the MSL West title the last two years.

Barrington's per game point totals thru the Palatine game each year:

2014: 37, 41, 32, 49, 56, 42, 55 --> 14 (vs Palatine)
2015: 50, 46, 42, 42, 35, 40 --> 24 (vs Palatine)

Alot of good high school teams like to score on big plays and don't react as well when they need to grind out a win.

Now, we have had issues against good running teams (see above note about GW playoff game is 2014...was 7-7 with 2 minutes left in first half and wound up 41-7 GW due to Brodner, as well as last year's Fremd game), but we will have probably more talent and physicality in this year's defense..especially in the defensive backfield.

i've never heard of someone designing or not designing a defense to shut someone out. I need you to explain to me what that conversation goes like in a strategy session.

Not trying to be nit-picky here, but sometimes things just aren't good - or others were just that much better.

 

[kpjasion]

i've never heard of someone designing or not designing a defense to shut someone out. I need you to explain to me what that conversation goes like in a strategy session.

Not trying to be nit-picky here, but sometimes things just aren't good - or others were just that much better.

I have no idea what strategy sessions sound like, I'm just a fan not affiliated with the program. I do know when my son played there(his last game was that GW playoff game in 2014) the defensive philosophy was "we're gonna give up some yards, but limit big plays and scoring"...and Split was (and I believe still is) the DC for 7 or 8 years under Donnelly before he became the Head Coach so it's been their "modus operandi" for a while. I'd expect this year to look a lot like the 2012 season (the last time Palatine was considered a dark horse for a state title), they won games like 49-14, 51-18, etc.

 

[PowerI66_]

i've never heard of someone designing or not designing a defense to shut someone out. I need you to explain to me what that conversation goes like in a strategy session.

Not trying to be nit-picky here, but sometimes things just aren't good - or others were just that much better.

It's a Tampa 2 philosophy. kpj is just slightly hyperbolic about designed to not shutout teams. Of course they scheme to stop every play. They are just mindful that getting a shutout every game is wishful thinking. It's all about limiting the big play and making teams grind it out.

 

[kpjasion]

I guess we'll all be able to find out in 4 weeks:

We can't wait anymore. Behold, the first #CN100GOTW announcement for 2016 is ... Week 1 Football - @PHS_Football vs. @SHSpatFB!

 

[crusader_of_90]

Durty Nellie's

It's on FIRE!

 

[Bowie50]

The drinks will be flowing at Durty Nellie's this season.

Nellie's had a big fire today

 

[kpjasion]

Nellie's had a big fire today

Yes,Luckily it was contained to the kitchen, but they'll be out of commission for a while.

They should be back up and running in time to celebrate mutliple Palatine victories next season(unlike this past season).

 

[Bowie50]

Yes,Luckily it was contained to the kitchen, but they'll be out of commission for a while.

They should be back up and running in time to celebrate mutliple Palatine victories next season(unlike this past season).

The Pirates should be a lot better.

 

[kpjasion]

The Pirates should be a lot better.

Yes. I think alot of people are sleeping on the Pirates based on last year, but they should be a 6-3 or 7-2 type of team next year. Both classes successful on the lower levels, but next year's juniors are exceptional..I'd put them in the same league with the Oles, Turner, Grachowski group that went 12-1 in 2016. They had 6 of the best sophomores starting on varsity this past season, and Ayala(QB) and Campbell(6'7",300 WR) as backups during the non-conference portion of the schedule. The JV had a freshman QB during that part, but once Ayala came back down and started on JV for the MSL West conference schedule they routinely put up 40+ (like a 49-19 thrashing of crosstown Fremd).

 

[PowerI66_]

Yes. I think alot of people are sleeping on the Pirates based on last year, but they should be a 6-3 or 7-2 type of team next year. Both classes successful on the lower levels, but next year's juniors are exceptional..I'd put them in the same league with the Oles, Turner, Grachowski group that went 12-1 in 2016. They had 6 of the best sophomores starting on varsity this past season, and Ayala(QB) and Campbell(6'7",300 WR) as backups during the non-conference portion of the schedule. The JV had a freshman QB during that part, but once Ayala came back down and started on JV for the MSL West conference schedule they routinely put up 40+ (like a 49-19 thrashing of crosstown Fremd).

Palatine has a 300 pound receiver? Must be fleet of foot

 

[Bowie50]

Yes. I think alot of people are sleeping on the Pirates based on last year, but they should be a 6-3 or 7-2 type of team next year. Both classes successful on the lower levels, but next year's juniors are exceptional..I'd put them in the same league with the Oles, Turner, Grachowski group that went 12-1 in 2016. They had 6 of the best sophomores starting on varsity this past season, and Ayala(QB) and Campbell(6'7",300 WR) as backups during the non-conference portion of the schedule. The JV had a freshman QB during that part, but once Ayala came back down and started on JV for the MSL West conference schedule they routinely put up 40+ (like a 49-19 thrashing of crosstown Fremd).

6’7 300 IL WR? Christ!

 

[BretEpic]

 

[BretEpic]

Welp, tried linking his hudl. He's real...

Julian Campbell

College OT prospect IMO

 

[Bowie50]

he is enormous