So Pomeranz will start and go as long as he can...
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He threw 109 pitches in game 1. Rebels know how throwing 140+ pitches with a weeks rest to follow is much worse. Bianco is way more concerned about his players. </p>
We've had several threads about pitcher abuse this spring, but nothing tops this. However, I don't blame Bianco quite as much as I blame the NCAA. The regional format is an open invitation for this kind of abuse. The tournament format needs to be 3 rounds of best 2 of 3 series over 11 days. For example, Mississippi should have played Monmouth on Friday-Saturday-Sunday(if needed), then WKU on Tuesday-Wednesday-Thursday(if needed). Then the winner should play the Cal-Irvine - Virginia winner on Saturday-Sunday-Monday(if needed). The CWS would start at the same time as it does now and you'd get a lot better baseball in the playoffs leading up to it. To expect a baseball team with only 11.7 scholarships to offer to potentially have to use 5 starting pitchers within 72 hours, or to bring a starter back on only 2 days rest, borders on criminal.
No need to rehash the chokefest I witnessed today but tomorrow will be very interesting. By throwing Baker after the Morgan meltdown, Bianco basically showed he was going for broke today. We have nothing left tomorrow. Pomeranz on 3 nights rest and an erratic Aaron Barrett. Bring your popcorn. Will be interesting. No excuse for blowing a 6 run lead with 6 outs but WK can rake. Not to high on our chances tomorrow.
dawgatUSM said:
Can't say I agree with it, especially with a pitcher that has a future in the pros. But what else do you have a win or go home game? That's desperation time.
We're not talking about an SEC tourney game that's really only for seeding purposes. It's a win or your season's over game. I disagree with sending him out there, but I can see where the desperation comes from. He'll probably try to get 3 innings from him, then go to Barrett and whoever else we can use. My guess is he's hoping we can use Pomeranz to put up some zeroes to give us a shot to build an early lead to hopefully create some momentum before having to go to the pen.
Bianco threw Lance Lynn for 140+ pitches at least once. I didn't agree with it then, and I don't agree with using Pomeranz again this quickly. Bottom line, I think both Bianco and Cohen are much more concerned about winning today than they are their pitchers.
that you would rather "protect your pitchers" than try to win?
Take it from me, no you wouldn't. Or maybe I should say you shouldn't.
And I know you're going to come back with, "Well, if we have a good reputation, we're going to get the good pitchers". The flip side to that coin is you're not going to get good players if you don't win. And of course, the postseason is where it counts.
Polk had a "good reputation" at least before McNickle's asshattery, of handling pitchers. And I'll say this- we still had our share of pitchers that broke down. Bobby Reed, Eric DuBose, Carlton Loewer, B J Wallace, and Brett Wheeler are just some examples. Three of those guys were first round picks. I'm not even going to count Matt Lea because he was a McNickle casualty.
Bertman "the devil" has put 20 pitchers in the Big Leagues. 10 of those had a career of longer than five years. All of those were probably extended multiple times at LSU. Three guys- Mark Guthrie, Russ Springer, and Paul Byrd pitched well over 10 years.
The thing about all of this is this- it's kind of like a plane crash. You only hear about the crash and not about the flights that go well. With this, you only hear about the guys that get hurt and you don't hear about the majority that throw a ton of pitches and then go on and do well. And believe me, there are far more that do well than get hurt. Plus, it's very subjective and random to say that an injury occurred because of one game where a guy threw 150 pitches in college.
So, to me, play to win, know your pitchers and what they're capable of and go with it.
Take it from me, no you wouldn't. Or maybe I should say you shouldn't.
And I know you're going to come back with, "Well, if we have a good reputation, we're going to get the good pitchers". The flip side to that coin is you're not going to get good players if you don't win. And of course, the postseason is where it counts.
Polk had a "good reputation" at least before McNickle's asshattery, of handling pitchers. And I'll say this- we still had our share of pitchers that broke down. Bobby Reed, Eric DuBose, Carlton Loewer, B J Wallace, and Brett Wheeler are just some examples. Three of those guys were first round picks. I'm not even going to count Matt Lea because he was a McNickle casualty.
Bertman "the devil" has put 20 pitchers in the Big Leagues. 10 of those had a career of longer than five years. All of those were probably extended multiple times at LSU. Three guys- Mark Guthrie, Russ Springer, and Paul Byrd pitched well over 10 years.
The thing about all of this is this- it's kind of like a plane crash. You only hear about the crash and not about the flights that go well. With this, you only hear about the guys that get hurt and you don't hear about the majority that throw a ton of pitches and then go on and do well. And believe me, there are far more that do well than get hurt. Plus, it's very subjective and random to say that an injury occurred because of one game where a guy threw 150 pitches in college.
So, to me, play to win, know your pitchers and what they're capable of and go with it.
Kevin had pitched a lot of innings on Friday and he brought him back out for the last game on Sunday or Monday, whenever it was. It really depends on how tired the pitcher's arm is. Some guys can throw more pitches than others, it isn't always the same.
I'll admit I'm selfish. I want to win more than anything, and no I wouldn't want to sacrifice a win to worry about pitch counts personally. I still don't think it's right necessarily though to over throw a guy with a pro future. When we threw Lynn for around 140+, it's because Bianco didn't trust the bullpen. We did the same thing with Will Kline I believe in the 2007 Super. Deep down I preferred seeing them on the mound because it was our best chance to win.
Basically, while I selfishly would want to see Pomeranz throw 9 innings tonight if that's what it took to get the W, I think I'm a jackass for wanting that, if that makes sense. I'm a hypocrite basically, and I know it. I bitched when we threw Lynn for 140+, but I probably would've bitched had he been pulled at 115 pitches and we lost.
Basically, while I selfishly would want to see Pomeranz throw 9 innings tonight if that's what it took to get the W, I think I'm a jackass for wanting that, if that makes sense. I'm a hypocrite basically, and I know it. I bitched when we threw Lynn for 140+, but I probably would've bitched had he been pulled at 115 pitches and we lost.
and knowing other coaches like I do...
"I still don't think it's right necessarily though to over throw a guy with a pro future."
Bianco doesnt give a monkey **** about his pro future today. All he is worried about is getting a win and advancing. What happens in the future happens. Coaches will always worry about their program more than they will any one kid's future
"I still don't think it's right necessarily though to over throw a guy with a pro future."
Bianco doesnt give a monkey **** about his pro future today. All he is worried about is getting a win and advancing. What happens in the future happens. Coaches will always worry about their program more than they will any one kid's future
Which is why I've said for years that its ridiculous that the NCAA to use a postseason format that puts coaches into the position of deciding whether or not to use a starter who threw over 100 pitches on Friday night again on Monday afternoon.Coach34 said:
patdog said:
I agree with that on the format. Honestly, I wish they'd just add a week to the postseason. Play the first three rounds as 3 game series. Instead of getting down to 8 teams in 2 weeks, play 3 separate rounds of 3 game sets over 3 weekends.
At Omaha, the games are spaced out so that you really only play every other day, which puts less stress on your bullpen, so I don't mind the 4 team double elimination bracket for that. If you play your first game on Saturday at Omaha, even if you go through the loser's bracket, you don't play your 4th game until the next Saturday, which allows you to come back with your normal rotation. The championship round can be taxing if you come out of the wrong spot. I think Fresno State played 5 games in 5 days last year, but that's better than 5 games in 4 days.
about how he didn't know why people were so pissed off at Baker because he gave up just one hit, which was a home run. Wasn't that the home run that gave WKU the win? If it was, I would say that would be grounds for being pissed off at Baker.
I also didn't know that getting beat by UT 6-1 consitituted a "blow out".
My definition of a blow out would be 8-9 runs for reference.
But what the hell do I know? He has 17 years on me.
I also didn't know that getting beat by UT 6-1 consitituted a "blow out".
My definition of a blow out would be 8-9 runs for reference.
But what the hell do I know? He has 17 years on me.
is the league. In MLB, you play six months, plus spring training, plus possibly the postseason. You also have bullpens and a AAA team with about 10-12 more pitchers that you can call up and use in a spot start. There is no need to go past 120 pitches during the regular season because of the length of the season.
In Little League, pitch counts are important because of their maturity.
In college you have three months, a week off between starts, and considerably less talent than a MLB team without the option of calling someone up. Also, a lot of your better pitchers in college are going to rack up a lot of strikeouts, which in turn leads to a higher pitch count.
So, don't feel bad about wanting to win. They can handle it.
In Little League, pitch counts are important because of their maturity.
In college you have three months, a week off between starts, and considerably less talent than a MLB team without the option of calling someone up. Also, a lot of your better pitchers in college are going to rack up a lot of strikeouts, which in turn leads to a higher pitch count.
So, don't feel bad about wanting to win. They can handle it.