So, someone sell me on why Hud > Mullen
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Hudspeth was born in Mississippi, so he knows a lot about the culture of the state. Played at a Mississippi school, so he knows about the difficulties that MS public colleges have to deal with. Was the head coach at Winston Academy, so he knows the area. In seven seasons of Div II he took North Alabama to their playoffs five times, four of those to the semifinals. Two straight winning seasons in Lafayette with two bowl games. Why do we have to go for a Division 1 assistant with no head coaching (i.e., administration) experience when we can get a experienced head coach at a slightly lower level? Hudspeth has shown he can coach at the Div. I level, so a step to MSU would be the next logical progression.
Mullen just doesn't seem to have gotten the administrative part down... why can't he divert some of his high pay to hiring better assistants? A top administrator gets the talent needed with the resources available. Sean Payton gave up part of his salary in the Super Bowl year to get Greg Williams, and the Saints got a championship because of it.
Mullen just doesn't seem to have gotten the administrative part down... why can't he divert some of his high pay to hiring better assistants? A top administrator gets the talent needed with the resources available. Sean Payton gave up part of his salary in the Super Bowl year to get Greg Williams, and the Saints got a championship because of it.
And 1-2 this season
0-2 against D1 competition this season. Not strong showings against Kan St and Arky.
Yet it's his third season.
I'll sort of give him a pass there, but this blowjob love him some have just don't cut it.
Show me the $.
0-2 against D1 competition this season. Not strong showings against Kan St and Arky.
Yet it's his third season.
I'll sort of give him a pass there, but this blowjob love him some have just don't cut it.
Show me the $.
I've explained what I like about Hud in great detail here and elsewhere and are numerous...
Does anyone out there think Hugh Freeze is the best coach in all of college football? Surely not huh? Does anyone out there think he may be the best coach FOR OLE MISS? That's how I feel about Hud for MSU -- and also how I felt about Cohen for MSU...
What I want is for someone to sell me on Mullen being better than Hudspeth? Or better than Freeze? Or better than Malzahn? Better than Sumlin? Better than Miles? Better than Bielema? Let's face facts -- the game has changed since we hired Mullen -- and even since the 2011 blowout. The sky isn't falling yet -- but everything is trending out of our favor right now...
I'm wanting to take steps to correct things before they bottom out completely and the amassed talent here is wasted -- and all momentum is lost. Can Mullen do that? My question is why the hell didn't he fix it during the offseason when every fan with a brain could see the problems on offense -- and saw the possible methods to correct it(bring in Edenfield for Tyler -- go with Dak under Mullen/Koenning -- etc). His "time to make the change" was last offseason IMO...
My feelings on Mullen has little to do with record -- just how we are giving away games that we are in position to win -- and playing scared on the big stage...
Does anyone out there think Hugh Freeze is the best coach in all of college football? Surely not huh? Does anyone out there think he may be the best coach FOR OLE MISS? That's how I feel about Hud for MSU -- and also how I felt about Cohen for MSU...
What I want is for someone to sell me on Mullen being better than Hudspeth? Or better than Freeze? Or better than Malzahn? Better than Sumlin? Better than Miles? Better than Bielema? Let's face facts -- the game has changed since we hired Mullen -- and even since the 2011 blowout. The sky isn't falling yet -- but everything is trending out of our favor right now...
I'm wanting to take steps to correct things before they bottom out completely and the amassed talent here is wasted -- and all momentum is lost. Can Mullen do that? My question is why the hell didn't he fix it during the offseason when every fan with a brain could see the problems on offense -- and saw the possible methods to correct it(bring in Edenfield for Tyler -- go with Dak under Mullen/Koenning -- etc). His "time to make the change" was last offseason IMO...
My feelings on Mullen has little to do with record -- just how we are giving away games that we are in position to win -- and playing scared on the big stage...
You try convincing a kid to come play at the 4th best D1 school in Louisiana.
I think he's a great coach, but I also think Mullen is a great coach. The reason I want him to be our HC is I think he'd have the balls to fire incompetent coaches, show some emotion in a press conference/on the sidelines, and I think he'd connect a hell of a lot better with recruits. PLUS I don't think he'd hog our entire coaching budget so we could get a defensive coordinator that isn't the lowest paid in the conference by a mile.
Mullen is good, Hud is good... I don't really care... but I think hiring Hud this winter (not happening) would ultimately be taking a shortcut to where we're eventually going in the next couple of years... and maybe having a lot better talent then than if we would just ride this "I'm going to be a hard *** and do things my way" out.
I think he's a great coach, but I also think Mullen is a great coach. The reason I want him to be our HC is I think he'd have the balls to fire incompetent coaches, show some emotion in a press conference/on the sidelines, and I think he'd connect a hell of a lot better with recruits. PLUS I don't think he'd hog our entire coaching budget so we could get a defensive coordinator that isn't the lowest paid in the conference by a mile.
Mullen is good, Hud is good... I don't really care... but I think hiring Hud this winter (not happening) would ultimately be taking a shortcut to where we're eventually going in the next couple of years... and maybe having a lot better talent then than if we would just ride this "I'm going to be a hard *** and do things my way" out.
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He's gone 9-4 twice at ULL. If you look at history, that's the equivalent of back-to-back 10-win seasons at MSU.
Really sorry he couldn't beat an SEC team and the defending Big12 champion at the historical #5 university in the state of Louisiana**
Mullen already has the job
Nobody has to explain how he is better than Hudspeth, looks like to me it's the other way around.
Nobody has to explain how he is better than Hudspeth, looks like to me it's the other way around.
Ha ha
He's gone 9-4 twice at ULL. If you look at history, that's the equivalent of back-to-back 10-win seasons at MSU.
Now that's a 17n joke.
I don't care about their history, it's not nearly the same.
He's gone 9-4 twice at ULL. If you look at history, that's the equivalent of back-to-back 10-win seasons at MSU.
Now that's a 17n joke.
I don't care about their history, it's not nearly the same.
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If Hud had piggybacked an up-and-coming assistant coach like Mullen had he'd be in the same position somewhere and probably be doing pretty well, probably cherry picking Mississippi high school players like he's doing at ULL now but on a bigger scale. Mullen is where he is because of Urban, and that's not deniable. He was also just about the only guy who would give us the light of day. For that I say thanks, but now he's essentially doing exactly the same thing Croom did to make all of us dislike him. For that I say good day.
We're a lot better than we were in 2008 but we have almost the same problem of having a bad coaching staff that isn't going to change any time soon. Just like then all of our best coaches have moved on and all of the bad ones are locked in.
We're a lot better than we were in 2008 but we have almost the same problem of having a bad coaching staff that isn't going to change any time soon. Just like then all of our best coaches have moved on and all of the bad ones are locked in.
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Mullen is a system head coach. Although this entire message board went into meltdown mode, if we are honest, this past weekend, we saw the most consistent offense that fits Mullen's style since he has become head coach at State. The last time I saw our offense look so effective was when Relf was at his best. Here's why ... Mullen is at his best with a QB like Tebow, Relf, Prescott, etc... If you listened to Mullen's press conference today when asked about if Russell would start Saturday if he was ready for contact, he said more 'Ums' and danced around it saying anyone could lose their job (while he was laughing) and said he would evaluate Russell's practice efforts. Mullen knows his only chance for true success is with Prescott. This gives us good hope for next year, in my opinion. However, Mullen is only able to be effective under the right talent that fits his system. His major issue is... he cannot recruit. Hud would definitely be a better recruiter. However, under Mullen's system (with the right QB), I see Mullen as a better option. Our problem is, we may strike gold every so often with a mobile QB with a great arm, leaving us having many off years.
Contrast this at Ole Miss where Freeze is a consistent coach who doesn't have to have a specific player to win in a system. If State wants to year in and year out compete with Freeze, Hud will have to ultimately be our HC. Freeze can recruit and looks to be consistent as a coach in building a program, but Hud>Freeze if you ask me. Mullen will likely win big next year with Prescott and hit the cashier's table and cash in his chips for the best coaching job elsewhere. If Hud stays where he is another two years, I can really see Hud as our coach in 2015. Call me crazy, but I really see Mullen cashing in the next time his stock rises. He's in the negative at the moment. 2014 will be Mullen's greatest season yet.
Contrast this at Ole Miss where Freeze is a consistent coach who doesn't have to have a specific player to win in a system. If State wants to year in and year out compete with Freeze, Hud will have to ultimately be our HC. Freeze can recruit and looks to be consistent as a coach in building a program, but Hud>Freeze if you ask me. Mullen will likely win big next year with Prescott and hit the cashier's table and cash in his chips for the best coaching job elsewhere. If Hud stays where he is another two years, I can really see Hud as our coach in 2015. Call me crazy, but I really see Mullen cashing in the next time his stock rises. He's in the negative at the moment. 2014 will be Mullen's greatest season yet.
Good post. I could see every bit of this happening. It wouldn't bother me if it meant Dan putting it together and getting another job, while we still get Hudspeth. Win/Win situation for MSU.
ULL program since 1994: 85-135(.386). Prior to Hud: 67-127(.345). That's 4.47wins/yr(3.94 wins/yr prior to Hud).
MSU same timeframe: 106-120(.469). That's 5.73 wins/yr.
Over the last 20 football seasons(you can't really go back much further than that with ULL because they weren't d1) -- MSU averages > 1 win/yr more than ULL does.
The "17n joke" is on you.
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Agree with your general post. I actually was encouraged by what I saw at Auburn compared to OK State. OSU was the bottom for me.
Oh hellz yeah. If we won 10 games next year, Mullen left for a $3 mil job at... who cares..., and we hired Hud? I'd be the happiest kid on my block. 1) The amount of money Mullen is getting paid at MSU is nowhere near as much as the next school who wants him is willing to pay, so I don't really think there's THAT much of a possibility of that happening. 2) We'd totally Strick that hire up and probably get someone like Ellis Johnson. I have 0% faith in Scott hiring Hud... or anyone worth while for that matter. Hud will likely be Rich Rod's replacement at Arizona.
Scott doesn't ultimately get to make that choice for football... Our boosters do... and thus why Hud is basically a shoe-in at this point...
Those two games were terrible for me in different ways...
The Auburn game showed that Mullen had learned nothing about game management through all the narrow defeats in the past. And the playcalling, while much better for a half against Auburn, still experienced the same problem a bit later in the game.
We woulda, coulda, shoulda beaten that Auburn team by 14-21 if we keep our foot on the gas the whole game and stick with the gameplan. Good luck finding the last time they lost a night game at Jordan Hare by 14+ to any team that finished outside the top 10. We're pretty close to being a really good team -- I just have no faith in Mullen to figure out how to do his part during the game...
I think that if we end up with Hud as our coach, this will be the way it happens. I do not believe Mullen will get fired, barring some sort of epic meltdown that consists of something more than losses on the field. He has improved the program and will certainly be given another year to sort it out. If he takes us to a decent bowl game and his stock rises, he will take whatever offer comes his way and get out of town.
Also, I think Hudspeth, being from MS and knowing our culture, could compete with the Ole Miss staff better than Mullen for recruiting the best athletes. We've seen Mullen lose out too many times for the best players. I don't think Mullen and his fellow yankee coaches know how to talk to potential recruits in this part of the country. JMHO.
I know Mullen has taken a lot of heat from the play calling stand point, but I didn't have a huge problem with it. It for sure got a little flaccid, but I thought if we execute in the passing game in the 4th quarter - we win. Dak will be a good QB for us, but he missed two or three throws late that were killer. The one where he took Perk out of bound short of the sticks was brutal, and he missed Jameon on a crossing route the drive before that might would have won the game.
About all I can say on the subject is when Hud was at MSU (09 & 10), our offense seemed a lot more innovative and dynamic. Since he's left, we've become very bland and predictable.
Didnt realize wr coaches had that much influence. Hell our OC supposedly has no influence on the offense
Wasn't Hud also the passing game coordinator? I'd say he had a pretty good amount of influence on the offense.
So hud had influence as a subordinate to les, but les has no influence? I think hud is a good, young coach, but he's being built up like the next chip Kelly or something. From listening to the greatness of hud, I thought his team would've been more competitive against 2 not very good teams
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He was indeed. Might not have had the title (might have) but he was basically the asst HC too. I specifically remember that being one of the draws for him to leave his HC position, albeit D2, to become a position coach despite his success as a HC.
People read way too much into titles.
I certainly hope you're right about this ^^^. We do NOT need another F'd up coaching search.
We were last for like 20 years leading up to that. Considering our QB in 2009 was Tyson Lee and all of his receivers were freshmen and then in 2010 our QB was Relf... who literally won a game by not throwing an entire half... I think that's pretty good. I don't think the guy is the next Chip Kelly and I've said several times I could care less if we keep Mullen or hire Hud, I truly believe by hiring Hud we'd just be shortcutting the inevitable. I'd like to have him because I think he brings a lot more to the table than Mullen, but neither of them is going to magically turn MSU into a juggernaut. Hud might have a better time grabbing big recruits.