seriously concerened about depth on the O-line and state has missed on some guys. Did I miss something or is he speculating. Are we garbage up front? I thought this was a strength. I knew mullen was upset earlier in the week but I thought that was due to effort and poor execution on offense. Or is the lifestyle stoking the fire?
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seriously concerened about depth on the O-line and state has missed on some guys. Did I miss something or is he speculating. Are we garbage up front? I thought this was a strength. I knew mullen was upset earlier in the week but I thought that was due to effort and poor execution on offense. Or is the lifestyle stoking the fire?
seriously concerened about depth on the O-line and state has missed on some guys. Did I miss something or is he speculating. Are we garbage up front? I thought this was a strength. I knew mullen was upset earlier in the week but I thought that was due to effort and poor execution on offense. Or is the lifestyle stoking the fire?
seriously concerened about depth on the O-line and state has missed on some guys. Did I miss something or is he speculating. Are we garbage up front? I thought this was a strength. I knew mullen was upset earlier in the week but I thought that was due to effort and poor execution on offense. Or is the lifestyle stoking the fire?
the lifestyle had a guy hiding in the woods out at the farm because practices have been closed to the media and everybody else.
I heard him saying all of that this morning. He said the information coming out of Starkville points to what you stated. Bo has been rubbing one off to Arkansas on a daily basis this preseason, and it seems that he's trying to find every negative possible with MSU. He's now saying MSU will be doing good to get to 6 wins.
There's a video on Bulldawg Junction of Mullen, and in it he says that they have a lot of young O-linemen. Maybe, that's where Bo is getting his information. I try not to put anything his predictions/statements because he truely has no idea what he's talking about most of the time.
There's a video on Bulldawg Junction of Mullen, and in it he says that they have a lot of young O-linemen. Maybe, that's where Bo is getting his information. I try not to put anything his predictions/statements because he truely has no idea what he's talking about most of the time.
Hes spraying mullens missed on players, depth is a conceren, etc.. just making sure i havent missed something here.
They're just young and inexperienced. They may be servicable, good, bad, or whatever, but to say we're razor thin at the O-line, based on age alone, is a misstatement. We have several redshirt freshmen and a couple sophomores, so these guys have at least 2 years in the system. They only lack game experience.
Also, Bo stated that the left tackle position was not coming along as hoped. This is a total contradiction to everything I've heard, which isboth guys are doing fine. I've heard that Carmon does well on run blocking, but his pass blocking just needs to come along, which will come with some more practice and learning the plays.
I think this all boils down to Bo being the usual dipshit.
Also, Bo stated that the left tackle position was not coming along as hoped. This is a total contradiction to everything I've heard, which isboth guys are doing fine. I've heard that Carmon does well on run blocking, but his pass blocking just needs to come along, which will come with some more practice and learning the plays.
I think this all boils down to Bo being the usual dipshit.
But I'm not sure how you could judge redshirt freshman and say we've missed on them. They haven't even played a snap yet. I'm sure depth is a concern but the gap in experience was set in motion before he got here. We do have two sophmores and two juniors with experience so we're not going to be relying on inexperienced players next year.
I think this is a real stretch to stir folks up as usual.
I think this is a real stretch to stir folks up as usual.
Been listening every morning for the last month and here is the correction I've developed. Bounds and his sports analysis is equivalent to me flying and landing the space shuttle on the moon.
His ratings must be suffering and he's just trying to stir the pot with idiotic statements.
His ratings must be suffering and he's just trying to stir the pot with idiotic statements.
It's what he does. I think he said, "The rumor out of Starkville is that..." Which means he can pretty much say whatever he wants. And it doesn't take long listening to him to learn he'll say whatever will get people to comment or tune in. It's how he makes money.
New LT and alot of redshirt freshmens to me is a concern. We have some quality guys that start but the rest is a crapshoot. The OL issues scare me more than linebacker.
Every time I flip to him in the morning he's got the same guests, the same questions, the same rock star analysis, the same pimping of whatever articles are up on Y'all Sports. When you don't have interesting guests, and you sound like a broken record, you're left with nothing else than to rile people up so they call in and post about you on the internet. Caller driven shows completely suck.
On my drive into work this morning, Gallo had on Johnny Dupree while Bo had on the same guy from Phil Steele who said a bunch of the same stuff. Then he took a call from a guy who wanted to talk about how Bama might be getting to much hype because they are replacing their star quarterback, heisman trophy winning running back, and stud wide receiver. Bo said, 'good point," then immediately took a call from somebody who wanted to talk about the possibility Mullen might go to Penn State. His response, "That's interesting, and I definitely want to talk more about that after the break." I flipped back to Gallo and Dupree.
On my drive into work this morning, Gallo had on Johnny Dupree while Bo had on the same guy from Phil Steele who said a bunch of the same stuff. Then he took a call from a guy who wanted to talk about how Bama might be getting to much hype because they are replacing their star quarterback, heisman trophy winning running back, and stud wide receiver. Bo said, 'good point," then immediately took a call from somebody who wanted to talk about the possibility Mullen might go to Penn State. His response, "That's interesting, and I definitely want to talk more about that after the break." I flipped back to Gallo and Dupree.
Y'all are screwed becauseour QB's are terrible.
Its funny I have had the same debate with another spirit poster that just because you have bodies, doesn't mean you have depth. I think both MSU and OM have very little depth on their OL. Just because each school has guys that could play, doesn't mean they should play.
Its funny I have had the same debate with another spirit poster that just because you have bodies, doesn't mean you have depth. I think both MSU and OM have very little depth on their OL. Just because each school has guys that could play, doesn't mean they should play.
but replacements happen at every position. And I am trying to figure out where Ole Miss is deep.
We lost 2 starters, albeit 2 very good starters. Doesn't mean depth is not there. We rotated our OL a lot last year and the only position I am really worried about is LT b/c there will be two new players.
We lost 2 starters, albeit 2 very good starters. Doesn't mean depth is not there. We rotated our OL a lot last year and the only position I am really worried about is LT b/c there will be two new players.
how is losing 2 players out of a 10 man rotation going to kill State? I know that Sherrod and Brignone were great but as a whole - I'm not worried about the OL. It's just the LT.
The main thing is - like last year - we just don't need injuries. We didn't lose anyone on the OL last year.
The main thing is - like last year - we just don't need injuries. We didn't lose anyone on the OL last year.
Exactly.
We have no depth at QB at OM, but instead of being rational, Sheepdog DS has to somehow interject OM's QBs.
Let's read the post I responded to again...
http://mississippistate.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp
There are two positions there that don't even have a backup listed. That is not depth. The other 4 starters have solid SEC experience for the most part.
Tobias Smith is one backup. He has been injured most of his career. He has played in 15 games with one start.
Sam Watts has played a handful of snaps at OL last year as a reserve.
Blaine Causell has never taken a D1 snap.
James Carmon has never taken a D1 snap at OL.
It's easy for me to say OM depth problems. We are in similar shape at LB. We have bodies, but no experience. Same for cornerback.
What's funny is that if you mention MSU having a depth issue anywhere, few here will acknowledge it. If the thread had been about OM's depth at QB & LB, I'd say we have none. I certainly would throw Will Martin and Rudy Wilson having a pulse into the discussion as a positive.
We have no depth at QB at OM, but instead of being rational, Sheepdog DS has to somehow interject OM's QBs.
Let's read the post I responded to again...
Now look at this depth chart...
http://mississippistate.rivals.com/cdepthtext.asp
There are two positions there that don't even have a backup listed. That is not depth. The other 4 starters have solid SEC experience for the most part.
Tobias Smith is one backup. He has been injured most of his career. He has played in 15 games with one start.
Sam Watts has played a handful of snaps at OL last year as a reserve.
Blaine Causell has never taken a D1 snap.
James Carmon has never taken a D1 snap at OL.
It's easy for me to say OM depth problems. We are in similar shape at LB. We have bodies, but no experience. Same for cornerback.
What's funny is that if you mention MSU having a depth issue anywhere, few here will acknowledge it. If the thread had been about OM's depth at QB & LB, I'd say we have none. I certainly would throw Will Martin and Rudy Wilson having a pulse into the discussion as a positive.
Isn't that where depth comes in. I mean let's be honest, if any SEC team makes it through the year without injuries at a certain position, depth doesn't come into play.dawgstudent said:
Almost no school in the SEC is two deep with quality players good enough to step right in and not skip a beat.
The issue for MSU is breaking in 3 new starters. Sure Saulsberry should be solid at Center, but its an adjustment, then you have a new LT and a new G (I don't know the spot) Last year you hada starting five that were all solid, and I think 1 or 2 OL that could play without missing a beat, as long as Sherrod didn't get hurt, now this year you have lets say 4 solid OL, and question marks in 5-7. That is a big difference in my opinion, going from 7 good OL that are known quantities to 4 good OL that are known quantities (one of which is changing position).
At the end of the day though, Im not sure how much it matters with the type of offense y'all run. As long as y'all keep running with Relf and Ballard and keeping it simple for the OL, I think you won't see that much of a drop off. If for some reason you have Russell or Favre in the shotgun and force the OL to pass protect, I think its opening a potential weakness.
The interesting thing to me is that your toss up games, @AU and @UGA both have question marks at OL in my opinion, so its not like anyone is particularly strong on the OL other than LSU.
The issue for MSU is breaking in 3 new starters. Sure Saulsberry should be solid at Center, but its an adjustment, then you have a new LT and a new G (I don't know the spot) Last year you hada starting five that were all solid, and I think 1 or 2 OL that could play without missing a beat, as long as Sherrod didn't get hurt, now this year you have lets say 4 solid OL, and question marks in 5-7. That is a big difference in my opinion, going from 7 good OL that are known quantities to 4 good OL that are known quantities (one of which is changing position).
At the end of the day though, Im not sure how much it matters with the type of offense y'all run. As long as y'all keep running with Relf and Ballard and keeping it simple for the OL, I think you won't see that much of a drop off. If for some reason you have Russell or Favre in the shotgun and force the OL to pass protect, I think its opening a potential weakness.
The interesting thing to me is that your toss up games, @AU and @UGA both have question marks at OL in my opinion, so its not like anyone is particularly strong on the OL other than LSU.
there are several people that get to see the practices, but they are not of the type to dump the scoop onto Bo Bounds. They are invited guest who provide strong support to the Athletics Department, and big name officials from out of state that are on tour. From the opinion given to us from the media during open practices, our O-line has work to do, but they didn't appear to be a bunch of fairies either
I think Mullen likes to screw with people when he talks...incite. we may have problems on OL, but I guess we will see. If he was in panic I don't think he would tell anyone. Just like I think he is screwing with people with what he said aboutBrandon Maye. whoa is me routine. </p>
but as far as depth on OL. It is a concern. It will always be a concern until you return all 5 starters and all 3 backups. OLs have to be built for almost every team EVERY YEAR. Its 5 positions- somebody is not going to be there next year. And its not like DL either, some freshman can play DL. MostOL take a couple of years to learn proper technique, mature, build up their bodies, and just learning the playbook. And btw, our playbook is more complicated than anything we've ran in the past...esp for the OL upfront.
Why does Bo Bounds need to be at the "Farm" if Mullen told him that? Did you not say "Mullen said"? And correct me if Im wrong, but I always took the definition of depth as there is not much drop off if there is an injury. For instance, State has very good depth at WR, DE,and in the secondary because there are several guys who have played and there isnt much of a drop off from first team to second team. State is in troubleif Relf, an OL, or DT goes down because there isnt anyone behind them who has played and there is a big drop off in talent. If there isnt a big drop off in experience and/or talent at a position then you have depth. But thats just my opinion.
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No, we're deep there. We have a full 3 deep of bodies who can walk and chew gum at the same time on the DL. That's depth.
Plus, they're all Decker-made, so we're good to go.
Mostly in the middle at DT. I wouldn't say we have depth there at all. We have bodies.
Like your OL, we lost a lot of starters and experienced backups.
What some here may be missing is that it isn't just the loss of Brigone & Sherrod. The loss of experienced backups to graduation hurt also. Mark Melichar might not have been allworld, but he played a lot of SEC snaps in his career. Phillip Freeman played some snaps for you. They provided bodies with some experience as seniors last year.
And as someone else said, depth may never come into play if you stay injury free like last season. The flip side of that is that it is hard to stay injury free for two straight seasons and the law of averages may come into play.
Like your OL, we lost a lot of starters and experienced backups.
What some here may be missing is that it isn't just the loss of Brigone & Sherrod. The loss of experienced backups to graduation hurt also. Mark Melichar might not have been allworld, but he played a lot of SEC snaps in his career. Phillip Freeman played some snaps for you. They provided bodies with some experience as seniors last year.
And as someone else said, depth may never come into play if you stay injury free like last season. The flip side of that is that it is hard to stay injury free for two straight seasons and the law of averages may come into play.
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