Can't wait for a "real man" to come in and give PSU what they deserve.
SO THIS IS WHAT THE END LOOKS LIKE
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I believe Mike Gundy and his mullet are available.
Come on. Everyone knows the only reason PSU didn't acheive multiple National Championships is James Franklin. It's all winning from here on out.
It was OK for him to not have his team prepared two weeks in a row because he lost a double OT game to a highly regarded opponent with their playoff possibilities still very much alive?
So without James Franklin at the helm you will no longer care? lol
Mob rule is successful and encouraged. Is anyone silly enough to believe it ends here? Let's sell hard liquor next.
Thanks for that artful reply. It's important for me to know that people care enough about my lack of caring to post about it. A friend once told me "When you care, no one cares, but if you don't care, everyone cares".
Did that friend have a son by the name of Ricky Bobby? Forget it ... I don't care. You hear me? I don't care. I'm going to go paint a picture and strum a tune of how much I don't care.
Nothing has ever been Franklins fault in Marshalls eyes. I can see the side that thinks JF deserved to be able to bounce back from what appears to be a down, down year given the expectations, much brought on by Franklin himself with his comments, but when you constantly blame everyone but the man in charge you lose credibility/
No. It was ok because some fans booed him. The fans caused the losses to UCLA and NW. Nobody else was responsible.
Here is the body of work.
2014 Penn State 7-6
Losses to; NW 5-7, Illinois 6-7, Michigan 5-7 (couldn't coach to win 2 of 3?)
2015 Penn State 7-6
No Issues
2016 Penn State 11-3 Ranked #7 AP
Losses to Pitt 8-5 (exposed In-Game management), USC Rose bowl should have won that game
Imagine if No blocked FG for TD against OSU?
2017 Penn State 11-2 Ranked #8 AP
Losses to OSU 12-2, 39-38 loss, MSU 10-3, 24-7 loss (we couldn't Win 1 of 2?)
2018 Penn State 9-4 Ranked #17 AP
Losses to OSU 27-26 loss, MSU 7-6, Kentucky 27-24 loss in Citrus Bowl (onside kick game?)
2019 Penn State 11-2 Ranked #9 AP
Losses to Minnesota 10-2 Ranked #10
2020 Penn State 4-5
Covid no issues
2021 Penn State 7-6
Losses to Iowa 10-4, 23-20 loss, Illinois 5-7
2022 Penn State 11-2 Ranked #7 AP
No Issues
2023 Penn State 10-3 Ranked #13 AP
No Issues
2024 Penn State 13-3 Ranked #5 AP
Losses to OSU 20-13 at Home loss, Oregon Big10 game 45-37 loss, Notre Dame 27-24 loss
2025 Penn State 3-3
Losses to Oregon, UCLA and NW--should have won all 3 games
Not going to mention stats "Against Ranked Teams" as we know that is abysmal but here are 20 games or so that Franklin should have Won at least half No? (Yes there are the Ranked teams in here)
He has what 2-3 signature Wins? Big10 Championship vs. Wisconsin, 2017 Fiesta Bowl vs. Wash and Rose Bowl vs. Utah?
The point is he couldn't get over the hump....you're supposed to Win against Unranked Teams.
I vote for Urban Meyer.....the fanbase deserves him. I wouldn't tolerate criminals on my roster, nor ignore spousal abuse. But if winning, by any means neccessary......is what makes you "Penn State Proud," I say Urban or Jim Harbaugh.To me there are only 2 names to take this program to the next level, Urban or Marshall2323
Marshall -- you are wrong!
Your beginning in 1966 was fanciful for your dreams. I finished in 1966 as a Business Mgmt major, and have continued ever since. Therefore, you have not really experienced Penn State from anything but afar. OK, you are trying to say that you have been inspired by JoePa as a coach, and as it has continued with Franklin.
BUT - even as Franklin has stated being the coach at PSU was a dream, every year - every year he always said 'I will leave unless you pay me MORE!'.
He may have upgraded all of the facilities into a gold standard for recruits ..... he famously forgot - How To Coach. And assistants always leaving has not proven continuity.
The ultimate goal of Penn State, in all Academic and Athletic pursuits, is Excellence. Not at any cost (Michigan), but attempting to do your best in all endeavors - in the classroom and on the field. That has never changed since my association with Penn State as a fan in 1959 and student that finished in 1966.
I have been fortunate to have known many people associated with Penn State, and been motivated by a Positive trait -
'Believe Deep Down in Your Heart That You Are Destined To Do Great Things' @Joe Paterno
Went out to Canton to see Marino and Young get inducted into the HOF. Remember Young's dad came out to do his introduction speech. He went off about every coach who doubted his kid, didn't play him, had other favorites, stacked the deck, etc., etc. At the time, I thought it was classless. Now, with kids of my own in sports and every other avenue of activities in life, screw most of these coaches. Unless you volunteer, you get to be held to the same standard as everyone else who is trying to make it in this world. You're going to get ahead for your family on the back of my kid, time, and money? You can just screw right off with that if I don't feel for a second that you meet my expectations. That's why NIL and the portal were so important. As another poster said, 99.9% of the students and alumni in that stadium will never see the kind of money Franklin makes nor will they have the job security that he is able to negotiate.
It's one thing to point out lack of NIL spending. To push for a contract re-negotiation after beating Boise State and SMU, after losing to Ohio State and Oregon was within his right, but off-putting to the administration. He leveraged his contract through 2031, but misplayed his hand here. There were no openings last year with schools that were going to pay him $10M plus.
Franklin had everything in place to succeed this year. Two of the highest paid coordinators in football and brought back nearly everyone from last year's team except for Warren and Abdul Carter. Got two 1000 yard receivers from the portal along with the top LB. Senior QB with 35 starts, experience at nearly every position. Win the Big Ten, and you're getting $11-14m/yr.
The thought immediately went to mind when a previously poster said the James couldn't recruit the 4's & 5's like Ohio St, Alabama, TX, etc.
PSU doesn't have the money to compete with the elite.
When you don't read all my posts carefully.......it's easy to make assumptions.
I don't care if PSU wanted to part with Franklin. He's a man. He's rich. Being mistreated after a double overtime loss, having your family attacked on social media.....not getting a single word of support from your AD after 10 pretty good years. Unacceptable. Coaches get fired all the time. Please give me one name or one example of a successful coach that got the boot mid season like this?
This is unprecedented mistreatment of a college football coach.......and it's on the Penn State Faithful.
What a drama queen - Franklin was well compensated and overall did a good job but he is not "owed" anything. I was at the game Saturday and it was pretty clear he lost the Team - everything and everyone has a shelf life and his passed - like it or not that is the way things are today. If it bothers you so much stop attending or watching PSU - the rest of us will move on and support or school regardless of who the coach is after all it is PSU not Franklin U. I have been let go of jobs for no reason whatsoever - they just eliminated the position - here is you severance and see you and my severance sure as hell wasn't $50M - quite the soft landing.
You don't deserve top 10 money if you can't win top 10 games.
I will say this ... I've been a Franklin supporter in the face of all the sad "we deserve more" numbnuts over the years ... and I don't think it was prudent to fire him now, despite acknowledging the absolute awfulness of his team's performance over the last 2 games, after falling short against Oregon ... but, we have been able to pull in some quality individuals when I wasn't sure we could do so before. O'Brien, and Franklin himself ... both acquitted themselves quite well ... even in the face of the JoeBot jackals ... so, perhaps we strike gold again and bring in yet another quality individual, despite my trepidations ...
Precisely. New coach.....same as the last. Unless PSU wants to be all in.
It was about one game...you know that right? That's part of his job...to make sure outside factors don't impact his team. He failed. Miserably.
Again, you're being overly dramatic. You can't defend his record against great teams. Even he admitted this.
There's no excuse for losing the past two weeks. None. He was given the resources to add Knowles and then flopped. Of course there's accountability. He should have fired AK after the Oregon game. Had he done so maybe he's still here.
It’s three losses now, in a row. After playing a cupcake OOC schedule. First coach ever to lose back to back weeks as 20+ point favorites.
At the very minimum, you have to agree that he’s done a ****** job this year don’t you?
The fact of the matter is we lost to OSU and ND last year because of playcalling.
We are off the rails this year because of the decisions to have an OC who runs an offense not conducive to success with the QB we CHOSE over the one who would have fit the system.
Again, I love James and I am thankful to him. But it is time to move on.
Then we go look for another coach. This is life. You can't be afraid to achieve your goals.
Thank you! This fear of what could happen is absurd. Do people live their own lives this way? Franklin was Richt. Good coach, good program builder but not the guy. If the next coach sucks we'll fire him but being mediocre (yes that's what only beating teams with less talent than you is) isn't impressive
Regarding your second paragraph. Given what you wrote, I dont think it was unreasonable for Franklin to genuinely feel like this was his best team ever. This was supposed to be it. The year. Franklin sold it and everyone bought it.
The real question is why didn't the team rally after Oregon? Yes, it was another loss in a long line of frustrating losses to top teams. But all of the goals were still there to be had.
Then they laid an egg against an UCLA squad who essentially pulled their staff out of the stands a week before. Then laid another one against NW on homecoming. It became apparent the team mailed it in. Unacceptable for as much senior "leadership" is on this team plus a seasoned coach.
Franklin fired lots of coaches. Where was your outrage then. He fired Donovan, Cheroka, Yurcich, the wr coach and he did so in some cases after only one year. Did Franklin only care about winning when he fired these coaches. What about their families and careers?
Franklin got 12 years. His record against top 25 and top 10 is abysmal. When is the fanbase and the university allowed to move on from this production level.
We tried to do things right for a long time and now we are known as pedo State. Time to play the same game as the other dbags in college football.
Okay 3 losses in a row should get every coach summarily dismissed.
Again, you aren't reading my posts. I don't have a problem moving on from Franklin. For the 3rd time......I always believed this was his last year. One way or the other. (Admittedly, I leaned on the leaving after another good season).
I have issue with the way he was treated....beginning with the chants after the Oregon game.....you can choose to believe it had no impact what so ever on the players....the lack of support (publicly, stated by the AD....which he deserved) and it culminated in specticle we experienced Saturday.
If you can recall a coach who led a team to the final four being fired after less than half a season the following year......it might make me feel better.
No one will convince me that this is not a very bad look for the Penn State Administration and fan base. Sorry!
I understand the situation your talking about but you also have to take into consideration that Franklin is the head coach of a loaded team that was ranked 2then lost to Oregon but then lost to 2 -20 point underdogs. The coach has to find a way to have his team prepared and they don’t seem to be that way. And the overall record against top ten teams is really bad. I like Franklin a lot but I understand the change was made. With the nil money changes everything. The boosters paying have no patience
He fired one coach mid season. Did he do so after said coach was humiliated by 107,000 chanting fans. I'm getting old, but don't recall the fire Yurcich chants. Did they abuse his family on social media?