looks to me like he's done after the contract expires. I can't imagine that we keep him if we are middle of the B12 pack after another couple years. And I can't imagine Holgs wanting to stay if he contends for a title nad has a rise in stock. thoughts?
So what do you guys make of the Cassaza article about Holgs' contract negotiations....
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I think you're right. DH is not Lyon's guy, so if he doesn't blow it out of the water and make it impossible for Lyon's to make a change then we get a new coach.
I'm torn on this. On the one hand, if the results aren't there you have to make a change. On the other hand, coaching turmoil is never good for a program. You've got to develop some consistency, which is something we really haven't had. Holg's is the consistent piece, but the assistants had been a bit of a revolving door until the last 2 years.
But, he's had 5 years, this will be the 6th. If the results aren't there then Lyons will probably make a move. That being the case, it wouldn't be smart to sign him to an extension with another huge buyout.
But, he's had 5 years, this will be the 6th. If the results aren't there then Lyons will probably make a move. That being the case, it wouldn't be smart to sign him to an extension with another huge buyout.
I think he should've been let go after last season. If you're not going to renew the guy's contract, it hurts recruiting and creates ill will. But he hasn't really done anything to merit renewing or earning a raise. So, instead of biding time and avoiding a buy-out, we should've gone ahead a get into the position of getting a new coach which appears where we're going to be either after this season or at most the next. If holgs should light it up this year, he's likely to tell lyons to eff off and start looking around.
You're probably right, but with Lyon's just taking over the job he wouldn't have come in and immediately started looking for a coach. I don't think you want to fire somebody unless you've got a decent selection of excellent candidates that are interested. You've got to start the search before the guy is fired so you're ready to move, having the coaching position in limbo for a couple of months would DESTROY the recruiting for that year and then the next guy has even more of a rebuilding job to do.
Clearly I'm not an AD, but that's my take. I imagine there will be a search this year and Holg's will be gone and the transition will be quick.
Couple years? He has this season. And honestly would now probably leave if offered a head job elsewhere. I think 2016 is his last year @ WVU.
I think the figure was 2.9 mil and DH balked. Supposedly he ranks 7th in salary in the Big12
Never happen.....I'd take Tressel. He is a proven winner and I don't care about his other issues. All I care about is winning.
Bobby Bowden is a proven winner and been out of the game less time than Tressel. Give me a break.
People said Huggs would never come home too. Terry has done a great job of turning around bottom feeder Akron. He's getting up there in years and so is Tressel. But we'll probably be changing every 5-6 years at longest anyway.
How has he done at Akron - serious question not an anti-TB comment. Haven't really kept up with him
Your google broken? In the 2 years before Bowden, Akron went 1-11, 1-11. Since Bowden they have gone 1-11, 5-7, 5-7, and 8-5 this past year and Akron's second bowl game ever-and their first ever win. The guy can coach.
Don't forget, the guy talked himself up on MMB for the job when Stew was hired.
Don't get me wrong, I used to be a big fan of his. And I believe he can still do the job and he definitely has some great qualities as a HC. However, there is much baggage and unsavory stuff from his Auburn stint that I would not like to see get WVU poisoned simply by his presence. In my mind, let him finish his career setting his name at Akron.
Maybe he has changed, but at Auburn his recruiting was suspect. Seems like he flourishes in lower division schools like Samford, North Alabama, and Toledo, but put him on the big stage and his crafty game management skills get overshadowed by declining talent pool. Like I said, that was the case 20 years ago at Auburn and maybe that has changed. But if you can't recruit at Auburn, you can't recruit.
I don't think it was his recruiting that was the issue at Auburn. He was 10-3 in his 5th year there and won the West division. He was 30-14-1 in SEC play during his 6 years. He was getting players. He had a problem with Little Terry.
also, his teams finished in the top 25 every year he was there except the last one. They finished #4, #9, 22, 24, 11. You don't do that in the SEC without players.
Why not? Luck did. Of course we know how that turned out. But if Tressel or Terry are our only choices? Christ, that's like choosing between Trump and Cruz and Hillary. Tressel is a crook who would kill WVU football -- we're not Ohio State, we couldn't survive any serious NCAA penalties -- and Terry's best season since Auburn is 8-5 at Akron? How's that going to play in the Big 12?
Actually, you are wrong. Bowden at North Alabama was 11-2, 9-4, 9-3. As I recall, you had WVU going to hell too if we hired huggins and his "baggage".Why not? Luck did. Of course we know how that turned out. But if Tressel or Terry are our only choices? Christ, that's like choosing between Trump and Cruz and Hillary. Tressel is a crook who would kill WVU football -- we're not Ohio State, we couldn't survive any serious NCAA penalties -- and Terry's best season since Auburn is 8-5 at Akron? How's that going to play in the Big 12?
Not exactly. First, OL was on the board of governors for a couple years before being named AD so he was already involved with the school. Being in the school and knowing the AD position would open up, he probably had a plan in place for when it did. Luck left rather suddenly and then Lyons took over the role presumably without any idea that the position would even be open. Therefore, no prep time for actions he would take if/when he was hired.
Also, Luck brought in Dana as an OC and the failed "head coach in waiting". He didn't step in and immediately fire Stewart.
Ah. But you didn't include that before, just his record at Akron. And that was my brother who was so violently opposed to Bobby, and he's come completely around. Who knows, maybe Terry wouldn't be any worse than Dana has been. And I bet he'd be as happy to come home as Bobby was.
Failed is putting it mildly, and Luck's comparing his idea of a head coach in waiting with how it was done at Wisconsin and Oregon was a flat lie -- in both of those cases the outgoing coach had hand-picked his successor before moving up to the AD's office. Luck's approach was, "Bill, this is Dana Holgorsen, the guy who I'm appointing to take your job a year from now."
Sure. I agree with that. Although did Bowden hand pick Fisher at FSU? He was on the staff a few years before initiating the HCIW scenario IIRC, which is also right along the lines of your point that Luck didn't do the HCIW the way the others had done.
A lot of our fans touted the notion that Bill was a temporary coach anyway. Never a long term coach. Of course, by Bill's actions, he didn't have that impression. It was an ugly mess that Luck made trying to keep everyone happy. That rarely works.
Yeah, I don't know how much of a stretch it would be to say that Bobby hand-picked Jimbo. He was hired in 2007 to replace Bowden's son Jeff as OC, and named HCIW after one season, then he had to wait two more years for Bobby to announce his retirement after the 2009 season that ended with FSU donking us (again) in the Gator Bowl. I was at that game BTW, the last WVU bowl game I attended.
Ain't that the truth. And I still say that most of the mess was Luck's doing -- how would any of us feel if our boss brought around some hotshot we'd never heard of and said "Hire this guy so I can give him your job next year."
I went to the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans, and then again in Atlanta, and the Gator Bowl against Georgia Tech. I haven't been to any of the others. I had hoped to go to one this year, but Arizona is a long way away and it didn't fit into the vacation schedule I had already planned.
Fisher was tired of waiting for Bobby to leave and forced the issue. At the time he was probably the hottest name for a HC job in college football.
