So Where Does AU slot in NOW on your hated SEC teams?
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I used to like Auburn before all of this junk, thought they were kind of like MSU. But all that has changed. The more you know ...
To see how everything has come down and to hear all of the talk against MSU, I don't have anything left for auburn right now. Remember, all MSU apparently has done is saying they were offered $ for the mule and that way before the season started. We didn't say a word against Auburn. I really hope they get it handed to them.
To see how everything has come down and to hear all of the talk against MSU, I don't have anything left for auburn right now. Remember, all MSU apparently has done is saying they were offered $ for the mule and that way before the season started. We didn't say a word against Auburn. I really hope they get it handed to them.
But AU has moved up. I used to like them, because Auburn is similar to us (Agricultural/Vet/etc). But this Cam **** has moved them way up the most hated list.
...**** my co-workers that kept telling me it was sour grapes and my school sucks for doiong this to them...
I am an Auburn grad and lived with my husband in Starkville after college for 4 years working for paper mill in Columbus. Had my first child while living there in Starkville and she is now in school at MSU. When she chose MSU over AU, we told her she was going 'home' either way. Her dad and I met at AU. I have always enjoyed the similarities between Auburn and MSU and I am very sad that all this bad blood. MSU is always my second favorite team and I have screamed myself silly over the years watching your team play. I had so many good friends while living in Starkville and so many great memories of the Cotton District and eating at the Grill and all the fun we had there right out of college.
My question is: What has Auburn done as a school or program to make MSU so angry? I am struggling to understand why MSU would be mad at AU? Do you really think AU paid more and 'stole' Cam from you guys?? I was amazed when I came to the AU-State game this year at the venom spewed toward Cam with all the 'rented mule' screams, etc. I'm just trying to figure out why you guys are so angry.
My question is: What has Auburn done as a school or program to make MSU so angry? I am struggling to understand why MSU would be mad at AU? Do you really think AU paid more and 'stole' Cam from you guys?? I was amazed when I came to the AU-State game this year at the venom spewed toward Cam with all the 'rented mule' screams, etc. I'm just trying to figure out why you guys are so angry.
To me the appropriate reaction from Auburn fans after all this came out was:
"Cecil wanted money for Cam. MSU said no. Auburn did too. Cam decided to go to Auburn. No money changed hands. Nobody was in the wrong except for Cecil."
Instead we've heard:
"There was never solicitation of money. Mississippi State is just a bunch of sore losers over us getting Cam. Why would he want to go there anyway?" and "We didn't try to pay Cam any money, MSU did. They just didn't come up with enough to make Cam go to their god-awful school."
"Cecil wanted money for Cam. MSU said no. Auburn did too. Cam decided to go to Auburn. No money changed hands. Nobody was in the wrong except for Cecil."
Instead we've heard:
"There was never solicitation of money. Mississippi State is just a bunch of sore losers over us getting Cam. Why would he want to go there anyway?" and "We didn't try to pay Cam any money, MSU did. They just didn't come up with enough to make Cam go to their god-awful school."
That attitude of "There's nothing we've done/you are jealous" kinda ticks us off.
Auburn has been placed on NCAA probation SEVEN (7) times. The last time in 1992 over the Eric Ramsey crap was one of the most severe (at the time) penalties ever handed down by the NCAA. I really can't believe Mr. Lowder, and Pat Dye didn't do jail time.
Anyhow, the attitudes the Auburn fanbase has toward us does not make us happy.
Auburn has been placed on NCAA probation SEVEN (7) times. The last time in 1992 over the Eric Ramsey crap was one of the most severe (at the time) penalties ever handed down by the NCAA. I really can't believe Mr. Lowder, and Pat Dye didn't do jail time.
Anyhow, the attitudes the Auburn fanbase has toward us does not make us happy.
he stayed in blissful ignorance but yes. AU's defensive posturing has gone viral and makes them look like bammers on steroids.
Lets name some names:
Pat Dye
Tater Tot
now, Gene Cheezit
You guys sold your souls for one last shot at glory; now, you've got the NCAA and FBI looking under your loin cloths.
Lets name some names:
Pat Dye
Tater Tot
now, Gene Cheezit
You guys sold your souls for one last shot at glory; now, you've got the NCAA and FBI looking under your loin cloths.
His dad hatched this plan the day the kid left florida. He wasnt going to let that kid go 'for free' again.
He just shopped the kid to the school that wouldnt pay is all.
Whether Auburn paid him or not is up to Auburn to squirm their way out of.
What State fans hate is that Auburn fans have gone loco about this and MSU seems to be the source of it. We did what were supposed to do unless you think we should have kept our mouths shut and allowed the New York times tell the world the story first.
The story was coming out.
But Auburn fans reaction is an honest one. If the father was selling the kid, and msu wasnt buying, then he either had some moment of clarity and stopped selling him, or he did sell him.
But Auburn got the merchandise.
He just shopped the kid to the school that wouldnt pay is all.
Whether Auburn paid him or not is up to Auburn to squirm their way out of.
What State fans hate is that Auburn fans have gone loco about this and MSU seems to be the source of it. We did what were supposed to do unless you think we should have kept our mouths shut and allowed the New York times tell the world the story first.
The story was coming out.
But Auburn fans reaction is an honest one. If the father was selling the kid, and msu wasnt buying, then he either had some moment of clarity and stopped selling him, or he did sell him.
But Auburn got the merchandise.
<p class="MsoNormal">First let me say that Auburn was my 2nd favorite
team in the SEC West (or as I would always jokingly say my 5th least
favorite in the West).<span style=""> </span>If State couldn’t
win the West, I preferred Auburn to win it instead of the other four members.<span style=""> </span>I have been to Auburn twice for football
games and really enjoyed it both times.<span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Newton-gate changed all of that for me.<span style=""> </span>You see, Mississippi State has never had a
game changer at quarterback.<span style=""> </span><span style=""></span>MSU is probably the only SEC school other than
USC to not have a quarterback playing in the NFL.<span style=""> </span>Heck, even the Mississippi Black Bears and
Vanderbilt have put quarterbacks in the NFL over the last decade.<span style=""> </span>After watching years of incompetent marginal
to incompetent play at the quarterback position, we hire Dan Mullen who has a
proven history of putting quarterbacks to the league.<span style=""> </span>With Mullen’s connection with Cam Newton and,
after seeing him ring a cowbell at the Egg Bowl, most MSU fans felt we finally
had our Moses to lead us out of this QB desert.<span style=""></span>Newton all but committed that November day.<span style=""> </span>Then, out of nowhere Cecil made his son sign
with Auburn and now it all makes sense as to why.<span style=""></span><span style=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So while you are enjoying your 11-0 season and playing for a
BCS championship, we look over and see this season as what we could have had
with the Heisman Trophy candidate we could have had.<span style=""> </span>If Auburn is guilty of buying this player, I sincerly hope the sanctions
Auburn receives impacts your program for the next ten years and your football experience
resembles MSU football circa 2002-2008.<span style=""> </span></p>
team in the SEC West (or as I would always jokingly say my 5th least
favorite in the West).<span style=""> </span>If State couldn’t
win the West, I preferred Auburn to win it instead of the other four members.<span style=""> </span>I have been to Auburn twice for football
games and really enjoyed it both times.<span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Newton-gate changed all of that for me.<span style=""> </span>You see, Mississippi State has never had a
game changer at quarterback.<span style=""> </span><span style=""></span>MSU is probably the only SEC school other than
USC to not have a quarterback playing in the NFL.<span style=""> </span>Heck, even the Mississippi Black Bears and
Vanderbilt have put quarterbacks in the NFL over the last decade.<span style=""> </span>After watching years of incompetent marginal
to incompetent play at the quarterback position, we hire Dan Mullen who has a
proven history of putting quarterbacks to the league.<span style=""> </span>With Mullen’s connection with Cam Newton and,
after seeing him ring a cowbell at the Egg Bowl, most MSU fans felt we finally
had our Moses to lead us out of this QB desert.<span style=""></span>Newton all but committed that November day.<span style=""> </span>Then, out of nowhere Cecil made his son sign
with Auburn and now it all makes sense as to why.<span style=""></span><span style=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So while you are enjoying your 11-0 season and playing for a
BCS championship, we look over and see this season as what we could have had
with the Heisman Trophy candidate we could have had.<span style=""> </span>If Auburn is guilty of buying this player, I sincerly hope the sanctions
Auburn receives impacts your program for the next ten years and your football experience
resembles MSU football circa 2002-2008.<span style=""> </span></p>
Auburn fans are nice, but their staff and administration is the most corrupt in NCAA history. If Auburn were to recruit honestly, they'dlose recruits to Troy State and UAB. However, because Auburn has Tiny Penis Syndrome when it comes to Bammer, Aubies feel the need to sell their souls to have a winning football team.
You Aubies say so much about your "Auburn Creed" and being "Auburn Men and Women"....HERE'S your REAL Auburn Creed:
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to always have an inferiority complex against Alabama.
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to try to destroy all Southern Traditions that don't involve Lynching or Blowing Up churches.
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to have ugly Southern Stereotype idiots heading up our BOT.
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to talk piously but use churches as temples for money-changing.
I'm not in the mood for it. Auburn buys and sells players, and is trying to frame MSU for it.
You Aubies say so much about your "Auburn Creed" and being "Auburn Men and Women"....HERE'S your REAL Auburn Creed:
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to always have an inferiority complex against Alabama.
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to try to destroy all Southern Traditions that don't involve Lynching or Blowing Up churches.
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to have ugly Southern Stereotype idiots heading up our BOT.
-As an Auburn Man, I promise to talk piously but use churches as temples for money-changing.
I'm not in the mood for it. Auburn buys and sells players, and is trying to frame MSU for it.
I've always hated them almost as much as I do the Reb.., I mean the Bears. I don't consider them #2 on my list, but more like 1-A. I was a student in 1974 when Shug Jordan whined and bitched to the SEC to get the first cowbell ban. Back then they were one of the power players in the conference and we were more of a "have-not" than we are now.
Contrary to posts I've seen on here, we DID beat them in Jackson that year and the bells were unbelievably loud. I was there. Jordan said that his offense couldn't hear the signals and it gave us an unfair advantage. ********. We just flat outplayed them and we weren't supposed to win. That whiney old bastard just wasn't going to have little ole MSU beating his mighty Tigers/War Eagles or whatever the hell they are.
I hope the 17'ers get the damn death penalty and Cecil Newton, Pat Dye, Lowder and all the others are some gang banger's ***** in the Bama state prison by this time next year. 17 em.
Contrary to posts I've seen on here, we DID beat them in Jackson that year and the bells were unbelievably loud. I was there. Jordan said that his offense couldn't hear the signals and it gave us an unfair advantage. ********. We just flat outplayed them and we weren't supposed to win. That whiney old bastard just wasn't going to have little ole MSU beating his mighty Tigers/War Eagles or whatever the hell they are.
I hope the 17'ers get the damn death penalty and Cecil Newton, Pat Dye, Lowder and all the others are some gang banger's ***** in the Bama state prison by this time next year. 17 em.
We LOST 20-24.
1974 (9-3, 3-3 SEC)
2-0 H • 2-2 A • 5-1 N Bob Tyler
9/7 William & Mary (@ Jackson) . . . . . .49-7 W
9/21 * Georgia (@ Jackson) . . . . . . . . . . . .38-14 W
9/28 * at Florida . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13-29 L
10/5 KANSAS STATE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .21-16 W
10/12 at Lamar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .37-21 W
10/19 at Memphis State . . . . . . . . . . . . . .29-28 W
10/26 LOUISVILLE (HC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . .56-7 W
11/2 * at Alabama (#17-#4) . . . . . . . . . . . . .0-35 L
11/9 * Auburn (@ Jackson) (NR-#10) . . . . .20-24 L
11/16 * LSU (@ Jackson) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7-6 W
11/23 * Mississippi (@ Jackson) . . . . . . . . . .31-13 W
SUN BOWL (@ EL PASO, TX)
12/28 North Carolina . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .26-24 W
1974 (9-3, 3-3 SEC)
2-0 H • 2-2 A • 5-1 N Bob Tyler
9/7 William & Mary (@ Jackson) . . . . . .49-7 W
9/21 * Georgia (@ Jackson) . . . . . . . . . . . .38-14 W
9/28 * at Florida . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .13-29 L
10/5 KANSAS STATE . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .21-16 W
10/12 at Lamar . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .37-21 W
10/19 at Memphis State . . . . . . . . . . . . . .29-28 W
10/26 LOUISVILLE (HC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . .56-7 W
11/2 * at Alabama (#17-#4) . . . . . . . . . . . . .0-35 L
11/9 * Auburn (@ Jackson) (NR-#10) . . . . .20-24 L
11/16 * LSU (@ Jackson) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .7-6 W
11/23 * Mississippi (@ Jackson) . . . . . . . . . .31-13 W
SUN BOWL (@ EL PASO, TX)
12/28 North Carolina . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .26-24 W
loncale said:
The first thing to understand is that all the venom spewed at Cam back in September was directed to Cam; not Auburn. May be hard to make that distinction if you're of the mind that Cam became 'family' when he signed with Auburn, but that distinction is important. We were pissed at Cam, not the Plainsmen. I won't rehash why he would've been so important to us as that has already been covered. And I think it's pretty much established by his own admission that he was coming to State before his daddy stepped in. But I'm not the type to consider an AA JUCO one-and-done player part of the Bulldog family. I'll take them everytime, and I'll enjoy the wins. But I know that he's using us just like we're using him. So I wasn't ticked at Auburn at that point. For most, I think the anger came with Auburn's reaction to the allegations, and their propensity to blame everything on us and run State down every chance they got.
Your fanbase went off the deep end in an EPIC way. To the point that it really shocked me. Never would've pegged AU fans to be more delusional and vitriolic than Bama and OM combined.
Finally a well-reasoned response. You sound as shocked as I was by the 'rented mule' crap at our game earlier in the season. By the way, that seemed to be VERY well publicized to so many drunk male fans that it seems obvious that there had been much discussion and conjecture that AU HAD to have bought Cam.
But a little thought is required here:
I think to understand why AU fans may have over-reacted, you need to get into our collective mindset as of mid-season. Cam had turned out to be a once-in-a-lifetime talent at Quarterback for us beyond any one's wildest hopes, he was playing spectacularly and had raised the collective game of our entire team. Fans are giddy and many had heard nothing of any of MSU's allegations against Cam or Cam's dad or whatever. THEN, one of MSU's FORMER PLAYERS (key point) starts making allegations against Cam or his dad. Then the UA influenced media go ape$hit bananas and tie AU to the story as if we just did a home invasion and killed a family. Then the insane cheating allegations come out from some sort of leak from UF though news outlets very much tied to Florida and Urban Meyer (remember everyone knows where Mullen came from)... Then TWO MORE of your former players (who sound like 'bag-men' in this story, they really do..maybe not john bond so much, but Bell sounds bad) start firing off allegations.....AND all this time, all these allegations, (wet phones and all) just tie back to who? a former MSU player.
If the shoe were on the other foot in this situation, the MSU fanbase would be furious. Angry at everyone..but particularly at a school that could have THREE FORMER PLAYERS involved in discussions of buying/not buying a player go public without a single shred of evidence against AU (or even Cam's dad really). I mean seriously...it all looks like Rogers was trying to take you guys to the bank. The release of info nonw looks orchestrated and petty and really like a set-up. Now we have aholes like Thayer Evans calling our professors trying to find someone, anyone that will tell him anything bad about AU. We have UA people over here cooking up theories that are beyond the pale and improbable beyond belief. (You guys know what UA people are like, any of you that live close to the border do anyway.)
Anyway, sorry you all hate us now, nothing I can do about it, but I kinda hate that my kid is there getting fed this crap about AU being so mean and buying your players. I truly don't believe we paid for him (we are too confident and I've seen us not be confident before), I think Cecil chickened out or this was a Rogers creation. I guess we will see, but now I have to feel weird and disliked by MSU when we come for games. No big deal really but, my husband and I actually went to the AU-MSU game in AU shirts and MSU caps this year. I expected people to be nice like they used to be, and most were not friendly at all. A few of the old-timers were cool. I'm just sad over it but it cant be helped.
War Eagle and Go State.
But a little thought is required here:
I think to understand why AU fans may have over-reacted, you need to get into our collective mindset as of mid-season. Cam had turned out to be a once-in-a-lifetime talent at Quarterback for us beyond any one's wildest hopes, he was playing spectacularly and had raised the collective game of our entire team. Fans are giddy and many had heard nothing of any of MSU's allegations against Cam or Cam's dad or whatever. THEN, one of MSU's FORMER PLAYERS (key point) starts making allegations against Cam or his dad. Then the UA influenced media go ape$hit bananas and tie AU to the story as if we just did a home invasion and killed a family. Then the insane cheating allegations come out from some sort of leak from UF though news outlets very much tied to Florida and Urban Meyer (remember everyone knows where Mullen came from)... Then TWO MORE of your former players (who sound like 'bag-men' in this story, they really do..maybe not john bond so much, but Bell sounds bad) start firing off allegations.....AND all this time, all these allegations, (wet phones and all) just tie back to who? a former MSU player.
If the shoe were on the other foot in this situation, the MSU fanbase would be furious. Angry at everyone..but particularly at a school that could have THREE FORMER PLAYERS involved in discussions of buying/not buying a player go public without a single shred of evidence against AU (or even Cam's dad really). I mean seriously...it all looks like Rogers was trying to take you guys to the bank. The release of info nonw looks orchestrated and petty and really like a set-up. Now we have aholes like Thayer Evans calling our professors trying to find someone, anyone that will tell him anything bad about AU. We have UA people over here cooking up theories that are beyond the pale and improbable beyond belief. (You guys know what UA people are like, any of you that live close to the border do anyway.)
Anyway, sorry you all hate us now, nothing I can do about it, but I kinda hate that my kid is there getting fed this crap about AU being so mean and buying your players. I truly don't believe we paid for him (we are too confident and I've seen us not be confident before), I think Cecil chickened out or this was a Rogers creation. I guess we will see, but now I have to feel weird and disliked by MSU when we come for games. No big deal really but, my husband and I actually went to the AU-MSU game in AU shirts and MSU caps this year. I expected people to be nice like they used to be, and most were not friendly at all. A few of the old-timers were cool. I'm just sad over it but it cant be helped.
War Eagle and Go State.
"It's all you or someone else".... that aggravates us.
"THEN, one of MSU's FORMER PLAYERS (key point) starts making allegations against Cam or his dad."
This didn't JUST happen during Auburn's great season. This was reported to the SEC back in January, 2010.
Also, the FBI is involved in this, so this is not some little SEC/NCAA stuff anymore.
"THEN, one of MSU's FORMER PLAYERS (key point) starts making allegations against Cam or his dad."
This didn't JUST happen during Auburn's great season. This was reported to the SEC back in January, 2010.
Also, the FBI is involved in this, so this is not some little SEC/NCAA stuff anymore.
Our school is on the record saying that Cam or his "peeps" asked for money for him to play at state. I choose to believe our athletic department. With this solicitation for extra benefits, by NCAA rules, the player is ineligible, period. It doesn't matter if he went to Oregon or Auburn or State, he broke the rules last November and should never have been allowed to have suited up to start with.Indndawg said:
Auburn to beat Bama, win the SEC title game, then have Auburn lose the BCS NationalChampionship game.Also, Auburn is forced to forfeit or vacate their wins for the season and especiallytheir SEC Championship. The SEC will NOT allow Auburn to markettheir SEC Championship Game winor post banners for a conference title, so they will essentially end up with nothing for the season. There will be no national championship later vacated like USC.
Or even better, maybe Cam be found ineligible between the SEC title game and theBCSNCGand Auburn willhave all the shame ofplaying in the National Title game with all the negative publicity. Again, Auburn is forced to forfeit or vacate their wins and SEC Championship and not allowed to market it.
Or even better than that--Auburn wins the SEC title, finishes #1 or #2 in the BCand is slated to play in theBCS National Championship, but is forced out of the game by the BCS Committee or NCAA. With vacating/forfeiting their wins and SEC Championship and going on probation, that would cause the most hurt of their program.
I realize all of these options hurt the SEC some with the negative publicity, but that negative publicity is going to be there no matter what. Auburn needs to be made an example of and having them get really close only to lose out will cause them the most pain.
Or even better, maybe Cam be found ineligible between the SEC title game and theBCSNCGand Auburn willhave all the shame ofplaying in the National Title game with all the negative publicity. Again, Auburn is forced to forfeit or vacate their wins and SEC Championship and not allowed to market it.
Or even better than that--Auburn wins the SEC title, finishes #1 or #2 in the BCand is slated to play in theBCS National Championship, but is forced out of the game by the BCS Committee or NCAA. With vacating/forfeiting their wins and SEC Championship and going on probation, that would cause the most hurt of their program.
I realize all of these options hurt the SEC some with the negative publicity, but that negative publicity is going to be there no matter what. Auburn needs to be made an example of and having them get really close only to lose out will cause them the most pain.
@Indndawg: I am totally willing to eat crow if we did buy him. why wouldn't I? I've been straight up with you guys. I pray we didn't. Our current compliance head is insanely strict...that is why we will never have a basketball team. I mean, he is nuts..he disqualifies players the NCAA says are ok. I know it's hard to control all the actions of boosters though (see Rogers, Bell, etc on your side)
To the loser up above who thinks Pat Dye should be in jail for the Eric Ramsey situation: you are stupid. I lived through Ramsey, went to school with the guy. He went to pat dye's office with a tape recorder running in his pocket and begged for money in tears because his baby was sick and needed to go to the doctor and his wife was upset and they needed help. that kid is the devil. Pat Dye gave him pocket change to try to help. He threatened Pat Dye because he didn't think Pat did enuf to get him in the pros...he is a bad bad person. Or was, maybe he's changed. I hope so.
Scaldeddawg: I said you had to look at it from the typical AU fans perspective to understand why they may have over-reacted. they didn't hear the crap in January (which should have been reported the first day of DECEMBER if it was so egregious but you waited til he didn't sign with MSU..hmm..wonder why?) and it did come from YOUR FORMER PLAYER and PLAYERS well after the season was underway and turning out so well for AU. It hasn't come from any other people on record that aren't connected to MSU. That looks like sour grapes dummy so people were pissed. You are incapable of seeing it anyway but your own obviously.
Slickdawg: I don't care what you READ in the rules online, but using Albert Means case as precedent: Cam is ineligble only at the school that benefits were discussed with. Remember Albert means playing at Memphis after his family or that guy in Memphis got cash for him? That was the precedent. He can play anywhere but your school thanks to Rogers if they go by what they have enforced previously. I think that is why he is at AU now and it was discussed with NCAA long before now. Now, NCAA is not BOUND by precedent, but they do try to go by it.
Anyway, beat freaking Arkansas today!
To the loser up above who thinks Pat Dye should be in jail for the Eric Ramsey situation: you are stupid. I lived through Ramsey, went to school with the guy. He went to pat dye's office with a tape recorder running in his pocket and begged for money in tears because his baby was sick and needed to go to the doctor and his wife was upset and they needed help. that kid is the devil. Pat Dye gave him pocket change to try to help. He threatened Pat Dye because he didn't think Pat did enuf to get him in the pros...he is a bad bad person. Or was, maybe he's changed. I hope so.
Scaldeddawg: I said you had to look at it from the typical AU fans perspective to understand why they may have over-reacted. they didn't hear the crap in January (which should have been reported the first day of DECEMBER if it was so egregious but you waited til he didn't sign with MSU..hmm..wonder why?) and it did come from YOUR FORMER PLAYER and PLAYERS well after the season was underway and turning out so well for AU. It hasn't come from any other people on record that aren't connected to MSU. That looks like sour grapes dummy so people were pissed. You are incapable of seeing it anyway but your own obviously.
Slickdawg: I don't care what you READ in the rules online, but using Albert Means case as precedent: Cam is ineligble only at the school that benefits were discussed with. Remember Albert means playing at Memphis after his family or that guy in Memphis got cash for him? That was the precedent. He can play anywhere but your school thanks to Rogers if they go by what they have enforced previously. I think that is why he is at AU now and it was discussed with NCAA long before now. Now, NCAA is not BOUND by precedent, but they do try to go by it.
Anyway, beat freaking Arkansas today!
hey Meddawg: stay classy..I'm so glad you are a state fan and not an AU fan. You sound like a total a$$. I pray you arent a doctor or interacting with people. And since you hope so much bad for AU, I hope you get disassociated as a fan of MSU. They are better folks than your butthurt self. Never heard so much jealousy in my life. way to prove my point.
I honestly was trying to understand MSU's anger, and I think I am beginning to get it. You hate all things AU because we have Cam. You will cuss at women, do whatever it takes to try to feel better. I get it. I guess I can just give in, add your school to my most hated team list and join the whole 'hater' gang. Nope, not gonna do it. I have too much time and money invested in MSU to do so, and I will continue to hope one of you gives me a reason to think this bad blood will pass, and that I can love state again as my 2nd favorite team.
Here's my 2 cents.
1.It starts with the rented mule comment. Highly insuted by that cosidering that's exactly what he is at AU. said by a very arrogant man capable of selling his son.
2.AU obsession with deflecting everything back to MSU. Sour grapes. Former players. I think we can all agree Rogers is dirty but had no contact with MSU since he left. If you were shopping a player around would you contact former teammates to start since you had no entry with the coaching staff. Trashing Bond and Bell is beyond the pale based on no evidence otherwise.SOund like bagmen to you? Sounds like AU bought Cam to us.Both are unproven.
3.Every charge by AU that it's all MSU is based on either we turned ourselves in or incredibly stupid.
Now- on AU's part having been advised that Cam was shopped, I would damn sure expect my compliance department would have checked it out.
I think we can also agree that Cecil shopped his son out. Did AU pay? I think there's a lot more to come. The "too much money" comment, The "offers from other school" comment.The FBI doing a full body search at AU.
Somethings up.
1.It starts with the rented mule comment. Highly insuted by that cosidering that's exactly what he is at AU. said by a very arrogant man capable of selling his son.
2.AU obsession with deflecting everything back to MSU. Sour grapes. Former players. I think we can all agree Rogers is dirty but had no contact with MSU since he left. If you were shopping a player around would you contact former teammates to start since you had no entry with the coaching staff. Trashing Bond and Bell is beyond the pale based on no evidence otherwise.SOund like bagmen to you? Sounds like AU bought Cam to us.Both are unproven.
3.Every charge by AU that it's all MSU is based on either we turned ourselves in or incredibly stupid.
Now- on AU's part having been advised that Cam was shopped, I would damn sure expect my compliance department would have checked it out.
I think we can also agree that Cecil shopped his son out. Did AU pay? I think there's a lot more to come. The "too much money" comment, The "offers from other school" comment.The FBI doing a full body search at AU.
Somethings up.
Man Gptdawg, 'deflecting back to msu'? Well...who's doing all the talking? MSU. MSU has NO BACKUP. It is all your ex-players talking.. And no, we can't all agree that Rogers had no contact with MSU since he left. I've seen at least one other story of another kid he placed at MSU. Had no entry to the coaching staff? not sure on that one. but you are right, I know nothing about Bond and Bell to be sure they are 'bag men'. I didn't say I did and i didn't 'trash' them. In fact I commented that Bond seemed ok. We can't all agree on Cecil shopping his son out either..shopping would be more than one school that could actually have made the offer to him through a dirty guy like Rogers who was trying to make some money.
Also, He didn't say 'too much money' , he said 'the money was too much'. You need to read closer. Ever think what else that could mean? like his dad chickened out on Rogers offer? And the FBI hasn't interviewed anyone at AU but the Newtons...the rest of the interviews are with MSU boosters. Face facts..
Also, He didn't say 'too much money' , he said 'the money was too much'. You need to read closer. Ever think what else that could mean? like his dad chickened out on Rogers offer? And the FBI hasn't interviewed anyone at AU but the Newtons...the rest of the interviews are with MSU boosters. Face facts..