So...Who has been promoting violence & resistance?

[30CAT]

So, just because McVeigh blew up a building and killed innocent people (and babies) a couple of decades ago, that is now less important? This "left vs. right" as far as who has the most violent retards is going way too far........BOTH have bad apples..........and BOTH have shown it throughout the years.

What????

I didn't say that. I said it was an isolated incident and that there are "crazies" regardless of political affiliation.

I said massive amounts of the left are on video rioting, looting, violently attacking, vandalizing, stomping on and burning our flag, disrespecting our military, calling for death to law enforcement...etc....You are pointing out isolated incidents. Huge difference.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[MountaineerWV]

Don't forget those American citizens murdered by your liberal god Clinton and his wench of an AG Janet "the butcher" Reno, that sparked McVeigh into action.

Yeah, Koresh.......the baby and kid raping "leader"........

 

[Brushy Bill]

Yeah, Koresh.......the baby and kid raping "leader"........

So you approve of the govt killing people, but only people that you approve of. Glad to see you let your inner communist out to play.

 

[MountaineerWV]

So you approve of the govt killing people, but only people that you approve of. Glad to see you let your inner communist out to play.

Koresh was to blame for what happened. Plus, are you defending a child rapist in Koresh after condemning others in another thread? What's wrong with you?

 

[Brushy Bill]

Koresh was to blame for what happened. Plus, are you defending a child rapist in Koresh after condemning others in another thread? What's wrong with you?

I'm not defending Koresh at all, but he didn't deserve to be burned alive, and neither did anyone else in that complex.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I'm not defending Koresh at all, but he didn't deserve to be burned alive, and neither did anyone else in that complex.

I'll agree that the other people, probably not. But Koresh DESERVED TO!!!!!! He got everything he deserved. He's a child rapist, child abuser, and being burned alive was fitting for his punishment. Sadly, HE caused the deaths of others around him.

Do you even know what he did? There are survivors who told their story of life under Koresh. You talk about how Islam promotes child rape, perhaps you should read about Koresh.

 

[Brushy Bill]

I'll agree that the other people, probably not. But Koresh DESERVED TO!!!!!! He got everything he deserved. He's a child rapist, child abuser, and being burned alive was fitting for his punishment. Sadly, HE caused the deaths of others around him.

Do you even know what he did? There are survivors who told their story of life under Koresh. You talk about how Islam promotes child rape, perhaps you should read about Koresh.

I know what he did and what he didn't do.

A very important thing that he did not do was light the complex on fire and burn it to the ground. The US govt did that at the direction of your hero William Jefferson "the (probable) rapist" Clintons henchmen.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I know what he did and what he didn't do.

A very important thing that he did not do was light the complex on fire and burn it to the ground. The US govt did that at the direction of your hero William Jefferson "the (probable) rapist" Clintons henchmen.

Do you know that it wasn't set by Koresh? FBI wiretaps inside the compound say that the Davidians set the fire intentionally. Must be a cover-up, cause who would think that would happen? I mean, a cult leader, killing himself and taking everyone else with him.......that never happens! (Jim Jones)

Amazing how you are willing to cut someone like Koresh some slack, but attack and go after Liberals the way you do......

 

[Brushy Bill]

Do you know that it wasn't set by Koresh? FBI wiretaps inside the compound say that the Davidians set the fire intentionally. Must be a cover-up, cause who would think that would happen? I mean, a cult leader, killing himself and taking everyone else with him.......that never happens! (Jim Jones)

Amazing how you are willing to cut someone like Koresh some slack, but attack and go after Liberals the way you do......

Can you post without lying?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Can you post without lying?

Lying about???? Everything I said is 100% factual.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Lying about???? Everything I said is 100% factual.

Well this is an outright lie.

Amazing how you are willing to cut someone like Koresh some slack

 

[MountaineerWV]

Well this is an outright lie.

Here is FBI wiretaps (they had them in milk cartoons they sent in during the siege)....but, keep blaming the government for the fire.



1st DAVIDIAN: [surveillance tape] Start the fire?

2nd DAVIDIAN: Got some fuel around here?

3rd DAVIDIAN: Right here.

4th DAVIDIAN: [surveillance tape] Did you pour it yet?

5th DAVIDIAN: Huh?

4th DAVIDIAN: Did you pour it yet?

5th DAVIDIAN: I haven’t yet.

6th DAVIDIAN: David said pour it, right?

5th DAVIDIAN: Did he? Do you want it poured?

6th DAVIDIAN: Come on. Let’s pour it.

5th DAVIDIAN: Do you want it poured already?

7th DAVIDIAN: We want some fuel.

5th DAVIDIAN: I’ve got some here.

8th DAVIDIAN: We should have gotten some more hay in here.

9th DAVIDIAN: I know.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Here is FBI wiretaps (they had them in milk cartoons they sent in during the siege)....but, keep blaming the government for the fire.



1st DAVIDIAN: [surveillance tape] Start the fire?

2nd DAVIDIAN: Got some fuel around here?

3rd DAVIDIAN: Right here.

4th DAVIDIAN: [surveillance tape] Did you pour it yet?

5th DAVIDIAN: Huh?

4th DAVIDIAN: Did you pour it yet?

5th DAVIDIAN: I haven’t yet.

6th DAVIDIAN: David said pour it, right?

5th DAVIDIAN: Did he? Do you want it poured?

6th DAVIDIAN: Come on. Let’s pour it.

5th DAVIDIAN: Do you want it poured already?

7th DAVIDIAN: We want some fuel.

5th DAVIDIAN: I’ve got some here.

8th DAVIDIAN: We should have gotten some more hay in here.

9th DAVIDIAN: I know.

Yep. To bad none of them live so that voice recognition could confirm it was people inside the compound talking. That's convenient huh. Curious what the weather was like that day, was it hot and windy? The FBI didn't fire incendiary devices either did they?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Yep. To bad none of them live so that voice recognition could confirm it was people inside the compound talking. That's convenient huh. Curious what the weather was like that day, was it hot and windy? The FBI didn't fire incendiary devices either did they?

Come on.....you take the Davidians over the government........but side with Trump and Republicans on every issue and how they say it happened (always a "cover up" when it involved a Democrat Commander-in-Chief, right?)..........I guess the CIA must have put that poison in Jim Jones' Kool-Aid too.......

 

[Brushy Bill]

you take the Davidians over the government

There you go lying again. I've not said I "side" with the Davidians, I have said they didn't deserve to be burned alive. I'm going to start calling you forked tongue liar liar pants on fire eer.

 

[MountaineerWV]

There you go lying again. I've not said I "side" with the Davidians, I have said they didn't deserve to be burned alive. I'm going to start calling you forked tongue liar liar pants on fire eer.

No, you are saying that the ATF started the fire.........

 

[Brushy Bill]

No, you are saying that the ATF started the fire.........

You really are an ignorant fool. Do some research or remain ignorant, I have no intention of banging my head against the wall trying to educate you on reality.

 

[MountaineerWV]

You really are an ignorant fool. Do some research or remain ignorant, I have no intention of banging my head against the wall trying to educate you on reality.

See ya! Too bad you distrust the government.......uh......well.......not today though........

 

[Brushy Bill]

See ya! Too bad you distrust the government.......uh......well.......not today though........

You haven't been paying attention to my posts son. I do not trust my government, I'm trusting Donald Trump to make my government trustworthy again. It's a process because communists and Marxists of all types have infiltrated it at the highest levels.

 

[atlkvb]

I'm comparing the total destruction of events.......the number of deaths and injuries and such.......

I just think this pissing contest going on about who has the "worst" terrorist groups in the two parties is ridiculous. BOTH have bad apples, and BOTH should unite together to take down (or at least control) their bad apples.

I'm not a fan of Trump. I didn't vote for him. I think his attitude and actions (and Tweets) are not my cup of tee. I've never denied this. However, the one thing I've NEVER done is say he should be hung, shot, or anything else that would be reprehensible. He is OUR president. This Russia thing.....my stance has always been to find out more, investigate, and move on. If he did wrong, then it's in Congress' lap on what to do. If he didn't, no biggie for me. I've never joined in on the "Impeach Trump" rants either. Yet I'm told that I "hate America", that I "support ISIS", and such. Absolutely ridiculous.

I told you the other day you just sometimes come off to me sounding like you have a bug up your *** about America, but everything else you said here I pretty much agree with.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

http://constitution.com/liberal-violence-america-becoming-commonplace-non-exhaustive-list-examples/

liberal violence list...

over 100...

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[wvu2007]

 

[wvu2007]

 

[wvu2007]

 

[MountaineerWV]

I told you the other day you just sometimes come off to me sounding like you have a bug up your *** about America, but everything else you said here I pretty much agree with.

So, are you saying that if I had posted only about liberal violence (like the other people in this thread) then that wouldn't come off as "having a bug up my a$$ about America"?

 

[atlkvb]

So, are you saying that if I had posted only about liberal violence (like the other people in this thread) then that wouldn't come off as "having a bug up my a$$ about America"?

No Man. As I've said, the posts I read from you typically criticize the country (slavery, insensitivity, greed, belligerence, etc)

I understand you're on the Left and don't care for Republicans, but why always negative against the country?

Can you re-post something for me you've put up recently promoting anything good about America?

You couldn't even answer a simple question I asked you the other day to tell me what nation in World history has done more for Freedom and to help end slavery than this one?

Crickets!

That's not Left or Right is it?

That's just good isn't it? You can't even admit to THAT?

 

[MountaineerWV]

No Man. As I've said, the posts I read from you typically criticize the country (slavery, insensitivity, greed, belligerence, etc)

I understand you're on the Left and don't care for Republicans, but why always negative against the country?

Can you re-post something for me you've put up recently promoting anything good about America?

You couldn't even answer a simple question I asked you the other day to tell me what nation in World history has done more for Freedom and to help end slavery than this one?

Crickets!

That's not Left or Right is it?

That's just good isn't it? You can't even admit to THAT?

Why not go back and look at the thread on Trump's speech about the shooting. There's one example. And I can think of at least a dozen times where I have stated things like "the best nation in the world" and I "love this country".

There's no answer to your question because you never give up on it. And it gets to the point with you that I'd rather smash my nuts with a sledgehammer than "debate" with you.......:scream:

 

[atlkvb]

Why not go back and look at the thread on Trump's speech about the shooting. There's one example. And I can think of at least a dozen times where I have stated things like "the best nation in the world" and I "love this country".

There's no answer to your question because you never give up on it. And it gets to the point with you that I'd rather smash my nuts with a sledgehammer than "debate" with you.......:scream:

Don't go to those extremes MountaineerWV just tell me which country fits the criterion I asked you?

Save your nuts.

(you sure jump through a lot of hoops to avoid directly answering simple questions)

The other day I also asked you:

"Do you support overturning Roe v Wade Yes or No?
(You said you were "Christian" so I wondered since most Christians favor it's abolishment)

You didn't answer that, but the way you got around answering it was quite mellifluous.
(I won't re-post it, but you know it was good)

Same here.

On the dotted line below, simply type in the country you believe has done more to protect, promote, and assure Freedom of Slaves or other oppressed people around the World in history better than America?

Ans here:_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

See how easy that is? No "testicle sacrifice" required my Man!

 

[atlkvb]

Let me try and make it even easier for you MountaineerWV

"America, throughout its own history as well as throughout all recorded World history, has been the greatest defender, protector, promoter, and guarantor of Freedom from Slavery or Freedom for all oppressed people than any other nation that ever existed or is known to exist on Earth past or present"

Now do you agree with that or disagree with that?

Type your one word answer here:

 

[MountaineerWV]

Let me try and make it even easier for MountaineerWV

"America, throughout its own history as well as throughout all recorded World history, has been the greatest defender, protector, promoter, and guarantor of Freedom from Slavery or Freedom for all oppressed people than any other nation that ever existed or is known to exist on Earth past or present"

Now do you agree with that or disagree with that?

Type your one word answer here:

Sure......why not.....Britain wasn't too bad either......:americanflag:opcorn:

 

[atlkvb]

Sure......why not.....Britain wasn't too bad either......:americanflag:opcorn:

Is that your answer, or are you're going to leave that dotted line blank because there is no answer?

 

[atlkvb]

If I'm entitled to my opinion here (I am 'cause it's a message board) in my opinion you can't bring yourself to directly answer the simple questions I've asked you because to do so would fly in the face of what you actually really believe about this country.

It might take some time to get you to honestly admit what that really is but whatever it is, I know it is NOT what I've asked you to admit to by simply answering those pretty straightforward questions I've asked you.

I can easily leave that "doted line" blank answering because there is no other country in my mind to fill in on that line as an answer. You may choose to leave it blank because in your thoughts and beliefs America doesn't even deserve to be on it.

I posted the other day I believe (again my opinion...have no way of proving it) that you have been 'poisoned' against this country.

You do not accept it's exceptional place in World history as a vanguard of Freedom, in my opinion.

You do not believe it is is righteously (even Divinely) constructed, because you believe as most radical Leftists do, that it was illegally constituted on the backs of Slaves and continues to operate as a White male dominated "racist" society designed to exploit or oppress people of color and the working poor.

You also believe (in my opinion) it is fraudulent in its claims of Liberty, Justice, Equality, and respect for all.

You probably believe America's wealth was gained illegally at the expense of poorer Nations, that America "stole" from them and has always exploited weaker nations in its greed and zeal only to protect its "White Male rich ruling class" which uses its phony belief in Christianity simply to oppress those who don't follow it or look like White Christians.

I also believe (my opinion) you think America needs to be "transformed" to more equally reflect or address its unfair economic imbalance and racial oppression of minority people, Women, or others not in the privileged "White Male ruling Christian class".

You believe (in my opinion) America is responsible for many evils in the world, and is not a force for good, because it seeks to "impose" it's Religion or Capitalistic way of life onto other people with no regard to their preferences to live freely as they see fit.

You think (in my opinion) that America is in fact only about Capitalism, and greed, and exploitation, and subjugation, and dominance, and cultural hegemony over others who may be different. "Freedom" is a ruse. You believe America attempts to "Americanize" the World, and America's way of Life is not worth forcing onto the rest of the World because you believe it to be inherently "unfair" only protecting the selected "protected privileged class" of its White ruling elite.(in my opinion) You think in short that America is mostly a racist, sexist, intolerant, selfish, greedy, fraudulent excuse for true Liberty and Freedom for all people regardless of color or creed. A direct lie of its expressed foundations (in my opinion) which you also truly believe is based on lies.

Now I have no way of proving any of what I've described about you or what you may think about America.

As I said, these are simply my opinions of you, and how you think, and likely what you've been taught about America because much of what you post here in this forum seems to reinforce these various opinions I've formed of you.

I also believe what I've laid out here is the real reason why you either can't, won't, or in fact do have such a hard time admitting anything else about America that runs to the contrary of what I ask because as I've also mentioned I don't read nearly as many of your posts praising whats good about America as I read you posting what's wrong with it. America isn't perfect and it's OK to point out its faults, but it's far better than you regularly give it any credit for, and certainly hasn't been as bad as you make it out to be.

In my opinion what I think you believe is not ironically dissimilar from what many on the radical Left believe about America, and if you place yourself on that side of the political spectrum then it makes perfect sense to me why you refuse to directly answer those questions I've asked of you because it runs fundamentally opposite of what you both believe and have been taught about this great Nation.

Only you know for sure if I'm all wet in my opinions of you, or spot on.

I don't need your answer as to which interpretation is correct. I'm simply sharing my opinions about you, and I'll let what you say to me about America from here on out change them if you think you need to?

 

[MountaineerWV]

If I'm entitled to my opinion here (I am 'cause it's a message board) in my opinion you can't bring yourself to directly answer the simple questions I've asked you because to do so would fly in the face of what you actually really believe about this country.

It might take some time to get you to honestly admit what that really is but whatever it is, I know it is NOT what I've asked you to admit to by simply answering those pretty straightforward questions I've asked you.

I can easily leave that "doted line" blank answering because there is no other country in my mind to fill in on that line as an answer. You may choose to leave it blank because in your thoughts and beliefs America doesn't even deserve to be on it.

I posted the other day I believe (again my opinion...have no way of proving it) that you have been 'poisoned' against this country.

You do not accept it's exceptional place in World history as a vanguard of Freedom, in my opinion.

You do not believe it is is righteously (even Divinely) constructed, because you believe as most radical Leftists do, that it was illegally constituted on the backs of Slaves and continues to operate as a White male dominated "racist" society designed to exploit or oppress people of color and the working poor.

You also believe (in my opinion) it is fraudulent in its claims of Liberty, Justice, Equality, and respect for all.

You probably believe America's wealth was gained illegally at the expense of poorer Nations, that America "stole" from them and has always exploited weaker nations in its greed and zeal only to protect its "White Male rich ruling class" which uses its phony belief in Christianity simply to oppress those who don't follow it or look like White Christians.

I also believe (my opinion) you think America needs to be "transformed" to more equally reflect or address its unfair economic imbalance and racial oppression of minority people, Women, or others not in the privileged "White Male ruling Christian class".

You believe (in my opinion) America is responsible for many evils in the world, and is not a force for good, because it seeks to "impose" it's Religion or Capitalistic way of life onto other people with no regard to their preferences to live freely as they see fit.

You think (in my opinion) that America is in fact only about Capitalism, and greed, and exploitation, and subjugation, and dominance, and cultural hegemony over others who may be different. "Freedom" is a ruse. You believe America attempts to "Americanize" the World, and America's way of Life is not worth forcing onto the rest of the World because you believe it to be inherently "unfair" only protecting the selected "protected privileged class" of its White ruling elite.(in my opinion) You think in short that America is mostly a racist, sexist, intolerant, selfish, greedy, fraudulent excuse for true Liberty and Freedom for all people regardless of color or creed. A direct lie of its expressed foundations (in my opinion) which you also truly believe is based on lies.

Now I have no way of proving any of what I've described about you or what you may think about America.

As I said, these are simply my opinions of you, and how you think, and likely what you've been taught about America because much of what you post here in this forum seems to reinforce these various opinions I've formed of you.

I also believe what I've laid out here is the real reason why you either can't, won't, or in fact do have such a hard time admitting anything else about America that runs to the contrary of what I ask because as I've also mentioned I don't read nearly as many of your posts praising whats good about America as I read you posting what's wrong with it. America isn't perfect and it's OK to point out its faults, but it's far better than you regularly give it any credit for, and certainly hasn't been as bad as you make it out to be.

In my opinion what I think you believe is not ironically dissimilar from what many on the radical Left believe about America, and if you place yourself on that side of the political spectrum then it makes perfect sense to me why you refuse to directly answer those questions I've asked of you because it runs fundamentally opposite of what you both believe and have been taught about this great Nation.

Only you know for sure if I'm all wet in my opinions of you, or spot on.

I don't need your answer as to which interpretation is correct. I'm simply sharing my opinions about you, and I'll let what you say to me about America from here on out change them if you think you need to?

This is example #1 of why I don't like to reply to you......I ANSWERED THE F**KING QUESTION!

You are reading too much in to everything. Dude, chill the F**K out. Or simply ignore me. And don't you EVER f**king tell me I don't love my G**Damn country!

 

[atlkvb]

[QUOTE="MountaineerWV, post: 1575017, member: 3244"]ANSWERED THE F**KING QUESTION![/QUOTE]

Link me.

I asked you two specific questions that required two simple answers:

"Yes" or "No" (on overturning Roe v Wade)

"Agree" or "Disagree" On America has been best for Freedom

Link me to your answers.

 

[atlkvb]

don't you EVER f**king tell me I don't love my G**Damn country!

The country is not "damned" by Almighty God MountaineerWV, and if you were a God fearing Christian as you claim you are you'd never disrespect our Lord's name like that.

I never said you didn't Love America, however in fact I went through quite some detail explaining myself about exactly what in my opinion you actually do believe about this country.

Copy and paste where I said you do not Love America?

I did say you are more critical of it than complimentary, and I can start re-posting your numerous comments in threads where you've made that quite obvious.

 

[MountaineerWV]

The country is not "damned" by Almighty God MountaineerWV, and if you were a God fearing Christian as you claim you are you'd never disrespect our Lord's name like that.

I never said you didn't Love America, however in fact I went through quite some detail explaining myself about exactly what in my opinion you actually do believe about this country.

Copy and paste where I said you do not Love America?

I did say you are more critical of it than complimentary, and I can start re-posting your numerous comments in threads where you've made that quite obvious.

You have written a complete book on your opinions of me......on a freaking message board. Who the F**K does something like that? I have been as nice as I can be, to you and most everyone else. I have refrained from name-calling (as much as I can, with a couple of exceptions to other posters). Yet you hound me on every opportunity because I don't provide you with an answer that YOU like. Dude, guess what, I have the right to my opinions just like you say you have to yours. I have answered your questions, or at least the answer I think is suffice.

You want me to answer some ridiculous statement about reversing Roe v. Wade......why? I have told you I don't like abortion, but it's the law. I've also said I'm not a protestor, I don't do that ****. I don't go signing petitions. I just don't do that ****. We have lawmakers who get paid with my tax dollars. I'll leave that **** up to them. If they overturn it, fine. If they don't, fine. My stance will remain the same.

You want things to be a cookie-cutter type of opinion. Guess what, it's not like that. You have your views, I have mine. I guess you love America.......(I don't ask you, because I don't believe in that either).......I love America.........yet you continue to say that I'm "too negative" in my statements? Just because you don't see what's taking place on this message board, that's not mine nor any other left-leaning Democrat on here fault. The constant name-calling, bashing, liberal this liberal that, libtard, ridiculous statements is getting out of hand and making this a very undesirable place to visit. You have joined in on that side that is doing this......and you can't say "well I don't read every post" because I don't believe that (ha, my opinion).

We have had a poster to put a thread up talking about how mixing of races and how it will lead to the destruction of the white race.....you were silent. So, should I do some psycho-analysis on you? Nope. Because that's not my place! We had a president say "grab them by the pu$$y". You voted for that person. Should I do another psycho-analysis of your reasoning and how it goes against your Christian morals? Nope. Because that's not my place!

Now, please, just leave it be. Let it go, and chill the **** out. (oh, if I want to say g**damn, that's my right......without your judgment of me since judging others is not really part of being a Christian....)

 

[atlkvb]

You have written a complete book on your opinions of me......on a freaking message board. Who the F**K does something like that? I have been as nice as I can be, to you and most everyone else. I have refrained from name-calling (as much as I can, with a couple of exceptions to other posters). Yet you hound me on every opportunity because I don't provide you with an answer that YOU like. Dude, guess what, I have the right to my opinions just like you say you have to yours. I have answered your questions, or at least the answer I think is suffice.

You want me to answer some ridiculous statement about reversing Roe v. Wade......why? I have told you I don't like abortion, but it's the law. I've also said I'm not a protestor, I don't do that ****. I don't go signing petitions. I just don't do that ****. We have lawmakers who get paid with my tax dollars. I'll leave that **** up to them. If they overturn it, fine. If they don't, fine. My stance will remain the same.

You want things to be a cookie-cutter type of opinion. Guess what, it's not like that. You have your views, I have mine. I guess you love America.......(I don't ask you, because I don't believe in that either).......I love America.........yet you continue to say that I'm "too negative" in my statements? Just because you don't see what's taking place on this message board, that's not mine nor any other left-leaning Democrat on here fault. The constant name-calling, bashing, liberal this liberal that, libtard, ridiculous statements is getting out of hand and making this a very undesirable place to visit. You have joined in on that side that is doing this......and you can't say "well I don't read every post" because I don't believe that (ha, my opinion).

We have had a poster to put a thread up talking about how mixing of races and how it will lead to the destruction of the white race.....you were silent. So, should I do some psycho-analysis on you? Nope. Because that's not my place! We had a president say "grab them by the pu$$y". You voted for that person. Should I do another psycho-analysis of your reasoning and how it goes against your Christian morals? Nope. Because that's not my place!

Now, please, just leave it be. Let it go, and chill the **** out. (oh, if I want to say g**damn, that's my right......without your judgment of me since judging others is not really part of being a Christian....)

Thanks for the simple two word answers.

 

[MountaineerWV]

One final thing.....here's what I posted about Trump recently......

[thumbsup] Nice speech, Mr. President. No mention of "politics", a lot of complimentary words.......actually sounded very "presidential".......Nice job! [thumb2]

You were asking about "nice" things I've said......there you go!