So who kidnapped Nancy?

dinglefritz

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New pictures of one of the suspects. Why? Because the FBI came in and used advanced technology to retrieve all digital information. Imagine a family with a kidnapped mother angry at agents trying to help, because of their ignorance of the agents perceived beliefs. That woman deserved a better effort, and not relying on the local sheriff. That’s disturbing behavior to treat people trying to help with anger
This clearly has the earmarks of a gang abduction. Just the type of armament the guy is carrying would be unusual for a random home invader. Most likely MS13 or Tren da Aragua
 

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"People are abducted every day" Who is being kidnapped? How many 84-year-old women who live in nice suburbs? I know because she is Guthrie's mom she is getting a lot of publicity, but that doesn't take away from it being traumatic and weird. The suspect looks like a very scary guy. Between my two dogs hopefully waking me up and my Berretta 20-gauge loaded with 3-inch magnum shells I hope this won't ever happen to me.
Unfortunately she wasn’t in a nice suburb. She was in an isolated acreage miles from law enforcement. Too bad she didn’t have a loaded weapon under her pillow.
 
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It’s a sad situation i highly doubt they find her alive it’s been too many days and she has health issues. I’m guessing it’s someone close to the family.
 

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It’s a sad situation i highly doubt they find her alive it’s been too many days and she has health issues. I’m guessing it’s someone close to the family.
I’m really doubting a family connection on this one. Why? What possible motive to take her out? IF it were family the FBI would have it solved by now.
 

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I’m really doubting a family connection on this one. Why? What possible motive to take her out? IF it were family the FBI would have it solved by now.
By the same token, why would a drug cartel do something like this? It's not that I doubt for a minute the cartels' penchant for doing horrible things. But why abduct an old lady with a famous daughter, attracting a huge law enforcement presence to the area? And whatever ransom might be involved would be couch cushion change to them.
 
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By the same token, why would a drug cartel do something like this? It's not that I doubt for a minute the cartels' penchant for doing horrible things. But why abduct an old lady with a famous daughter, attracting a huge law enforcement presence to the area? And whatever ransom might be involved would be couch cushion change to them.
Which makes the whole case even more bizarre... why would ANYONE go to the lengths this person did for an old lady. If, as some suspect, the perp is familiar with her and the family and the cameras etc... why take her the way they did without her meds to keep her alive. If the intent was just to eliminate her for some reason why not just do it there? Less to worry about.

If for money and they knew her they would have taken the meds to keep her alive one would think. But then non-criminals think logically so our thought processes don't apply equally.

Cartel... why unless they asked for gobs of money immediately... they would NOT know about the meds. They may know they eff'd up and just bailed on the whole thing.

Either way this is so bizarre.
 
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By the same token, why would a drug cartel do something like this? It's not that I doubt for a minute the cartels' penchant for doing horrible things. But why abduct an old lady with a famous daughter, attracting a huge law enforcement presence to the area? And whatever ransom might be involved would be couch cushion change to them.
Goon sent thinking they were getting her daughter maybe. Maybe an infatuated fan. Weird deal.
 

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Which makes the whole case even more bizarre... why would ANYONE go to the lengths this person did for an old lady. If, as some suspect, the perp is familiar with her and the family and the cameras etc... why take her the way they did without her meds to keep her alive. If the intent was just to eliminate her for some reason why not just do it there? Less to worry about.

If for money and they knew her they would have taken the meds to keep her alive one would think. But then non-criminals think logically so our thought processes don't apply equally.

Cartel... why unless they asked for gobs of money immediately... they would NOT know about the meds. They may know they eff'd up and just bailed on the whole thing.

Either way this is so bizarre.
A few dozen miles to the south kidnappings for money are fairly common place. Maybe just a guy who thought he was getting a wealthy person but didn’t know who it was. I will never go to Mexico again. This crap happens every day down there. Average people disappearing never get any media coverage.
 

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Which makes the whole case even more bizarre... why would ANYONE go to the lengths this person did for an old lady. If, as some suspect, the perp is familiar with her and the family and the cameras etc... why take her the way they did without her meds to keep her alive. If the intent was just to eliminate her for some reason why not just do it there? Less to worry about.

If for money and they knew her they would have taken the meds to keep her alive one would think. But then non-criminals think logically so our thought processes don't apply equally.

Cartel... why unless they asked for gobs of money immediately... they would NOT know about the meds. They may know they eff'd up and just bailed on the whole thing.

Either way this is so bizarre.
Bizarre in the USA? Indeed. Not for certain areas of Central or South America at all. In my likely completely wrong opinion… someone nabbed her for ransom. She died soon after due to her heart issues. They dumped her, and any additional risk to themselves when they did so. I’d love if they found her alive. But I don’t think there’s a chance at even finding her remains at this point. Again, just an opinion
 
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Which makes the whole case even more bizarre... why would ANYONE go to the lengths this person did for an old lady. If, as some suspect, the perp is familiar with her and the family and the cameras etc... why take her the way they did without her meds to keep her alive. If the intent was just to eliminate her for some reason why not just do it there? Less to worry about.

If for money and they knew her they would have taken the meds to keep her alive one would think. But then non-criminals think logically so our thought processes don't apply equally.

Cartel... why unless they asked for gobs of money immediately... they would NOT know about the meds. They may know they eff'd up and just bailed on the whole thing.

Either way this is so bizarre.
That situation could lead back to a family member. I don't know what Nancy's financial situation is/ was, but if there was a life insurance policy or some sort of inheritance, it would be more of a longer game than simply asking for ransom but the money would appear to be more above board and potentially less traceable than ransom.
 

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That situation could lead back to a family member. I don't know what Nancy's financial situation is/ was, but if there was a life insurance policy or some sort of inheritance, it would be more of a longer game than simply asking for ransom but the money would appear to be more above board and potentially less traceable than ransom.
You’d need a body in that case. Getting someone declared dead without a body usually takes a period of time
 

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Is/was there a Mr. Guthrie? I haven’t seen him in a single picture. Admittedly I only catch radio in the morning, and news before bed. Seems odd absolutely no mention of him
Edit: looked it up. He died of a heart attack when she was 16
 

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It’s a sad situation i highly doubt they find her alive it’s been too many days and she has health issues. I’m guessing it’s someone close to the family.
Regarding the perp. Family does not need more heartbreak.

Disclosure: I watched Bosch twice. I am qualified to use the term perp.
 

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Trump has very consistently communicated how loss of life troubles him. Iran recently. Ukraine. Gaza. Delusion and denial are not good looks.
Considering he offered to post bail for a guy to beat up a protester at one of his rallies, I think your assessment is laughable.

But carry on if it makes you feel better.
 
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JD went in to take the couch and didn’t realize an old lady was napping on it until he was finishing 20 seconds later. She was removed to keep it hush hush. If the family wants their couch back, they are going to have to acquire Greenland first in trade. The old lady is in El Salvador learning the value of not speaking against the administration.

How does it feel to be retarded?
 

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Which makes the whole case even more bizarre... why would ANYONE go to the lengths this person did for an old lady. If, as some suspect, the perp is familiar with her and the family and the cameras etc... why take her the way they did without her meds to keep her alive. If the intent was just to eliminate her for some reason why not just do it there? Less to worry about.

If for money and they knew her they would have taken the meds to keep her alive one would think. But then non-criminals think logically so our thought processes don't apply equally.

Cartel... why unless they asked for gobs of money immediately... they would NOT know about the meds. They may know they eff'd up and just bailed on the whole thing.

Either way this is so bizarre.

They took her to get away with murder.

The intruder had no clue there was a camera at the front door, which means he may be an amateur.
 

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I think it was a somewhat capable amateur that had a decent plan, but when he saw the story go national, he freaked out, killed the old lady, and did his best to disappear because there was no way he was going to actually collect money and get away after the whole country was aware. And they’ll probably find him if that is really his DNA on the glove since half the country idiotically submitted their DNA into databases like Ancestry.com. Sure, maybe this guy didn’t. But if his uncle did, the FBI will figure out it was someone closely related and narrow it down until they get him. Personally I think using DNA from genealogy sites should be illegal for the government, but I’m sure I’d change my tune if my kids got stolen or something.
 
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I think it was a somewhat capable amateur that had a decent plan, but when he saw the story go national, he freaked out, killed the old lady, and did his best to disappear because there was no way he was going to actually collect money and get away after the whole country was aware. And they’ll probably find him if that is really his DNA on the glove since half the country idiotically submitted their DNA into databases like Ancestry.com. Sure, maybe this guy didn’t. But if his uncle did, the FBI will figure out it was someone closely related and narrow it down until they get him. Personally I think using DNA from genealogy sites should be illegal for the government, but I’m sure I’d change my tune if my kids got stolen or something.
I agree with your last sentence completely. Perspectives change as circumstances do.
 
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