So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

[VirgilCain]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

anything about them other then a vague recollection of some Stansbury-esque basketball success..... and a pretty cool nickname (two Z's in a row looks and sounds fun)

Upon research on Wikipedia (which is infallible btw), there only claim to fame in the Big 12 has been the 2009 Big 12 basketball tournament champs.... is that correct? That's it?

We would be one of the closest 3-4 SEC schools and it's still about 10 hours away from Starkville (strictly based on mapquest). If we are already okay with extending the conference map that far... why not go a bit further and add someone legit to the conference.

Is this like the SEC's version of a BCS "pity 17" or something?

*Disclaimer: I'm fully aware that an MSU fan has zero room to talk about prestigious athletic programs...... but if MSU wasn't already in the SEC, then I would NEVER expect the SEC to extend us an offer to join..... maybe I'm biased but this scenario has to be a wet-dream for Mizzou fans*

Please enlighten me....

 

[VirgilCain]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

anything about them other then a vague recollection of some Stansbury-esque basketball success..... and a pretty cool nickname (two Z's in a row looks and sounds fun)

Upon research on Wikipedia (which is infallible btw), there only claim to fame in the Big 12 has been the 2009 Big 12 basketball tournament champs.... is that correct? That's it?

We would be one of the closest 3-4 SEC schools and it's still about 10 hours away from Starkville (strictly based on mapquest). If we are already okay with extending the conference map that far... why not go a bit further and add someone legit to the conference.

Is this like the SEC's version of a BCS "pity 17" or something?

*Disclaimer: I'm fully aware that an MSU fan has zero room to talk about prestigious athletic programs...... but if MSU wasn't already in the SEC, then I would NEVER expect the SEC to extend us an offer to join..... maybe I'm biased but this scenario has to be a wet-dream for Mizzou fans*

Please enlighten me....

 

[Incognegro]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

St. Louis.... Kansas City... Big Markets... Not as much about a prestigious team, but they're still a competitive one which doesn't make this a terrible move

 

[DAWG61]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

have UNC, VTech, even Kansas over Mizzou. Kansas has a top 5 basketball program. I know this is about football but damn UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, MSU, Arkansas have pretty solid basketball programs for the last 15 years. Tennessee will drop for a bit but they'll be back. I love our military too, thanks for all you do for this wonderful country.

 

[GreaterCowbell]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

http://outkickthecoverage.com/missouri-in-play-as-secs-14th.php

 

[VirgilCain]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

if we really serious about that market.... why not extend the olive branch a tad farther and go after another program in that area.... if a big 12 collapse is pending, then why not someone like kansas? They have been good in football recently and would totally up the conference prestige in Bball.... or if football is the sole deciding factor... why not K-state

I admnit I not very little on Mizzou... but I can't imagine them having any serious pull in the TV markets, considering some of the huge programs in that area.

 

[PBRME]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

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[Bob Loblaw]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

It's amazing the rate of people that jumped on the football program since I have been watching football. First with the Brad Smith Tigers that pulled the Tigers out of complete awfulness. When the Chase Daniel 11-2 Tigers hit suddenly there were Mizzou fans all over. STL was and always will be a baseball fan first, but Mizzou is the college football team of STL. Columbia is a nice college town too. Not a bad place to visit unless they are late in the schedule.

 

[dosequisdawg]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

I don't think it's a pity 17 at all. Mizzou has averaged 10 wins a year in football over the past four seasons and ended the 2007 regular season #1 in the nation before losing to OU in the Big 12 title game. The football program has been very respectable the last several years, but not a regular national title contender, but does it really do any of us any favors to add a perennial national title contender to the conference? Also, if you've paid any attention to the Big 12 Mizzou has been a FAR better football program than Texas A&M for several years. Mizzou basketball was in the gutter after the Quin Snyder era but Mike Anderson got them back in the tourney 3 years in a row with an elite 8 recently. Even Quin took them to the elite 8 a few years ago too. Basically, Mizzou is competitive in all sports that matter but not elite in any of them.

If you know much about realignment you know that basketball has nothing to do with it, so you can forget Kansas. They bring nothing to table where it really counts. You mention K-State, but have you paid any attention to them the last ten years? They're horrible.

Last but not least, the two top 30 tv markets are important too. West Virginia certainly doesn't bring that to the table.

Geographically Mizzou is a stretch, but for the factors that the conference seems to care about the most I think Mizzou makes a lot of sense.

As another poster said, Columbia is a great college town and they're an AAU school which the SEC has only two of (not counting A&M).

 

[aerodawg.sixpack]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

or even stay the same. The whole thing is driven by money not prestige of the possible schools. I think that is where you take a different side from the Presidents/Commissioner.

Let's look at your choice there, Kansas versus Mizzou.

-Kansas adds 1 big TV market of Kansas City, there is not another city in the general area worth mentioning as far as TV contracts go.

-Mizzou adds 2 big TV markets of Kansas City and St. Louis.

The math is pretty simple to people interested in money over prestige, and don't kid yourself because college football is always and will always be about money to the big boys. They don't have to "pull in" the TV markets, being the only school in both areas that is in the SEC would take care of that.

Personally, I think the ideal situation for the SEC, assuming there is a major transition of the big conferences to go to 16 teams, would be to add Texas A&M for the Houston/Dallas markets, Mizzou for the St. Louis/Kansas City markets, Va Tech for the DC area market, and then it is a crapshoot for whoever else to add to make it 16. At that point it won't really matter, considering who is left. That is where you can pick up a precious prestigious school.

 

[thatsbaseball]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

other than WVU and we desperately needa 14th team.

 

[o_fredgarvin]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

Their conference is not imploding. It's all about the money and the ACC schools have plenty. Mizzou sees the ship sinking and with their TV markets they are in first class not steerage. We should let them in the lifeboat.

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[thatsbaseball]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

the teams they want out of the Big East they`ll be as strong as anyone.

 

[DawgWild]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

who would you rather have....? i don't really like conference expansion but that would probably more auburn and bama to the east and a roadtrip through st louis wouldn't be bad. their football team is ok and basketball program is usually ok too...don't know about baseball. if i had my choice if we were to expand, between those two it would be mizzou. if i really had a choice, which we have no say in this whatsoever, would be virginia tech. don't think that'll ever happen though.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

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[DerHntr]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

as said before in this thread, it is a damn good college town. have been there a few times and would definitely like to go back. as for west virginia, i'm not a fan of going to a stadium with a trailer park in the background

 

[AssEndDawg]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

why not someone like kansas? I can't imagine them having any serious pull in the TV markets, considering some of the huge programs in that area.

And you are wrong about Mizzou and the TV markets. Sure, Kansas City has a lot of Kansas fans but probably not any more than Mizzou. But the rest of Kansas is a wasteland. Again though people don't seem to understand, we don't need to saturate a market, we just need to get into it. We are selling potential viewers as part of our contract.

And none of this has anything to do with basketball. Basketball doesn't pay the bills and the SEC quite frankly doesn't care. We are like the 5th best basketball conference in America and we don't even care to improve upon that. The chance of someone getting into the SEC based on basketball is ZERO.

 

[DAWG61]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

I don't know how much the Big East basketball deal is with ESPN but I'm willing to bet it pays some bills. I just really want UNC. They have a top ten basketball AND baseball program and are a potential great team in football with the right coach. I just think the SEC should do everything possible to try to get UNC before giving the 14th spot to Mizzou or WVU. I love our military, thanks for all that you do for this wonderful country.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

who would you rather have....? i don't really like conference expansion but that would probably more auburn and bama to the east and a roadtrip through st louis wouldn't be bad. their football team is ok and basketball program is usually ok too...don't know about baseball. if i had my choice if we were to expand, between those two it would be mizzou. if i really had a choice, which we have no say in this whatsoever, would be virginia tech. don't think that'll ever happen though.

bama and aubunr wouldn't move east. if only a&m and mizzou are added, only 1 team moves east. imo the sec isn't moving to 14 teams and sticking, it would only be a 1-2 year stopover on the way to 16 teams. preserve current division, add a&m to the west and mizzou to the east. tell mizzou to deal with it and be lucky they are getting the sec paycheck instead of losing half their conference revenue to texas. in a couple of years (or by 2013 imo) we'd be adding a pair of teams to the east, which would allow mizzou to move into the west. this is really the best/only way to satisfy the current members (think bama and/or auburn wants to move into the east with 3 other major programs already and screw up the rivalries, as the iron bowl, bama-tenn, and aub-uga would all be at risk?). i've even seen some mention moving vandy west so bama/auburn can stick together, that wouldn't skew things in lsu's favor at all. telling mizzou to deal with being in the sec east for a couple of years would maintain a pretty even balance between the divisions and preserve all current inter-divisional rivalries and allow the bama/tenn's and aub/uga's to remain each others permanent cross-divisional rival.

 

[DawgWild]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

if you moved auburn and alabama both to the east. they would still play those teams and play each other. putting mizzou in the east makes no sense. moving auburn and alabama east would be more in lsu's favor....or at least moving bama would be. moving auburn and bama east makes the most sense IF this were to even happen at all. personal i could care less about mizzou joining. i wish we could keep it like it is now.

 

[Incognegro]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

The West is gaining 2 teams and losing 2 teams while the East gains 2 teams and loses none. You can't move both bama and auburn and have even divisions. If they moved anybody the most logical one would be auburn. I do see them moving auburn for at least 1 or 2 years because I know that the SEC will jump to 16 though.

 

[DawgWild]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

that makes sense. If we don't go to 16, i don't think there are any mathmatical rules. I don't think it would matter if the east lost any or not. i can see though how the west presidents and ad's wouldn't be happy but if it takes a majority vote for anything then i dont think it matters if they are happy are not.

 

[Incognegro]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

why would you want a 6 team division going against an 8 team division? that just doesn't add up properly...

 

[DawgWild]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

wow, haven't had my caffeine this morning. math was never my strong suit. i did make a 30 on my english section of myact need to go get my coffee. my bad. didn't add that up right. yes 17 auburn or mizzou. send them east.

 

[Xenomorph]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

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[idog]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

have UNC, VTech, even Kansas over Mizzou. Kansas has a top 5 basketball program. I know this is about football but damn UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, Florida, Tennessee, MSU, Arkansas have pretty solid basketball programs for the last 15 years. Tennessee will drop for a bit but they'll be back. I love our military too, thanks for all you do for this wonderful country.

and OU goes nowhere without OSU. Mizzou is just as much a southerneastern state as Virginia or NC. plus money wise <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">football>basketball </span>football>>>>>basketball.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

So..... why the 17 is Mizzou the frontrunner for #14 team in SEC? I literally don't know...

moving auburn east makes some geographic sense, but if bama's permanent cross-over rival is auburn, then bama-tenn isn't a yearly game. good luck pushing that through.

send both bama and auburn east and move kentucky or vandy west and you wave these division:
east - fla, uga, tenn, bama, aub, usc, ky/vandy
west - msu, om, lsu, ark, a&m, mizzou, ky/vandy

i'm not one that gets too hung up over the current states of programs dictating future success, but only lsu compares to the top 5 programs in the east in that situation. that is about as skewed as you can make it.

that's why i say send mizzou east for a year or 2 until the acc/big east shake out and we pick up 2 teams on the east (we will get to 16, sec isn't gonna stop at 14). maintains everything for all of the current 12 and really only inconveniences mizzou, the noob.