So with everyone wanting Dan gone...
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Who are all of the people wanting Dan gone?
Better yet,
Which is more dramatic?
A. 5% of our fan base calling for our coach's head?
OR
B. People claiming that 5% to be "Everyone wanting Mullen gone"?
I say B
ETA: Petrino may win at MSU, but he would leave us in shambles when he left
Better yet,
Which is more dramatic?
A. 5% of our fan base calling for our coach's head?
OR
B. People claiming that 5% to be "Everyone wanting Mullen gone"?
I say B
ETA: Petrino may win at MSU, but he would leave us in shambles when he left
Well I didnt run an actual poll to see if most wanted Dan to go.
I don't want Dan to go; but if I could get petrino for 4 years in exchange, I'd think hard about it. Petrino took a team like us (ark) and made them the 3rd best in the sec. He's a creep, but he's very good.
I don't want Dan to go; but if I could get petrino for 4 years in exchange, I'd think hard about it. Petrino took a team like us (ark) and made them the 3rd best in the sec. He's a creep, but he's very good.
Not so sure about that. He may have learned his lesson. He's a heck of a good football coach.
I'm not looking for a 1-2 year glory run ending in shambles. I'd rather continue a building process in a manner that can be sustained longterm. Give me "my" Frank Beamer -- and I'm a VERY happy camper.
Why would we assume that he's learned any lessons?
Left Louisville in the middle of the night in shambles. Put Auburn into shambles to an extent as well in his closed door flirtations that Tuberville found out about. Left the Falcons in the middle of the season. Tore down Arkansas and left them with nothing from a talent perspective. Had Bielema not secured Collins at the last minute, they'd be in even more trouble right now...
He's a great gameday coach -- but he is not someone you can build a program under. He's proven that multiple times already.
Speak for yourself
and Eat **** MF!
Sorry, but that is how I feel. If we need to move another direction, we will deal with it, then.
Could care less about Hud vs anybody.
and Eat **** MF!
Sorry, but that is how I feel. If we need to move another direction, we will deal with it, then.
Could care less about Hud vs anybody.
We need someone who who will defend our program, who will defend our kids, and who will defend his family***
No, but don't speak for me.
Just setting the record straight. Not everyone is remotely ready to throw in the towel.
Thanks for letting me know the game was on.
Just setting the record straight. Not everyone is remotely ready to throw in the towel.
Thanks for letting me know the game was on.
Listen here sissy boy, I'm watching the game to see how HUD does. Talk crap to me. If dan can't get it going then you can count me in the group if wanting dan gone, I don't care who knows or what anyone says.
Hahahaha. Sissy boy. He'll just hit you with a swing blade, although some people call it a kaiser blade.
Who are the people who feel the program is headed in the right direction after the last 12 games ? Dan can turn things around in the next 6 games and make everything OK but he needs to make a damn move. He`s paid about $250K per game to WIN but he is terribly under performing.
True. I still think petrino has put his team in great spots, but costly turnovers. Petrino > hud IMO
before anybody jumps to conclusions about who the better coach is, look at the box score. (for those that didnt watch it....like myself).
wku had 471 yards of total offense to the 344 of lala. petrino was moving the ball but its not like a coach can make a player hold on to the ball or not throw a bad pass/make a bad decision. wku had 4 turnovers...2 int and 2 fumbles. that said, the more impressive coach is petrino who moved the ball all over the field.
petrino only had 3 3-and-outs....and one was due to a fumble on the 2nd play of the series.
if a gun is pointed against my head and i gotta pick one, the clear answer is petrino, but his wife might not like starksvilles.
wku had 471 yards of total offense to the 344 of lala. petrino was moving the ball but its not like a coach can make a player hold on to the ball or not throw a bad pass/make a bad decision. wku had 4 turnovers...2 int and 2 fumbles. that said, the more impressive coach is petrino who moved the ball all over the field.
petrino only had 3 3-and-outs....and one was due to a fumble on the 2nd play of the series.
if a gun is pointed against my head and i gotta pick one, the clear answer is petrino, but his wife might not like starksvilles.
we might be much like arkansas, but i bet if you asked them, most would say it was worth it. he made them nationally relevant and took them to a bcs bowl in a fairly short time period. i think they are a better program for it even though they are going through some rough years in the aftermath. they grew exponentially and certainly raised the ceiling.
it would be highly risky for state to hire him. i agree with that, but you also have to remember that petrino was fired and not a case where he left voluntarily. get the man some coeds on the DL and we good. (im only halfway kidding)
it would be highly risky for state to hire him. i agree with that, but you also have to remember that petrino was fired and not a case where he left voluntarily. get the man some coeds on the DL and we good. (im only halfway kidding)
And your conclusion couldn't be more wrong. Actually watch the game on ESPN3 and get back to us...
WKU dominated the first half statistically. Hudspeth adjusted at halftime. ULL owned the second half on both sides of the ball in dominating fashion. Constantly controlled the clock on the ground with long drives. Hit the QB countless times ETC... A roughing the passer penalty on a pick 6 late in the 3rd is the only thing that kept the game from getting totally out of hand. ULL stopped WKY constantly on 3rd and 4th and short -- even on the goal line. Meanwhile, WKY had no answer for ULL on 3rd down. They converted countless 3rd and longs.
In actually watching the game, Hudspeth outcoached Petrino -- and it wasn't really that close after the early onslaught, which was somewhat surprising to me.
Might as well get ready -- IF Hud wins next Tuesday at Arkansas St, they are going 10-2 and winning the Sun Belt at 8-0.
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I don't know of an Auburn fan alive who would trade the Chizik era in its entirety for four years of program building 8-10 win seasons. Give me one good glory run (year) with a crystal football and I would take that all day every day.
And Dan is no Frank Beamer, but that's a whole other three page thread.
A "glory run" at Auburn /=/ a "glory run" at MSU.
Of course everyone would sell their firstborn for a crystal football. A "glory run" at MSU = 9-10 wins for 2 years with a Cotton and Cap 1 Bowl. Dreaming beyond that is total foolishness at this point. If that ends with a destroyed program ala 2001, It is simply not worth it.
I'd much rather stick with winning 7-9 games/yr consistently over a decade -- and then having the foundation of a program that can sustain a competitor long term.
Never said I thought Mullen was the guy for that job -- nor did I compare him to Beamer. But the job description and building process at MSU is very similar -- and it took Beamer a long time to ascend to the next level.
You know what, I'm so tired of getting beat down by LSU and all the other "upper division" teams of the SEC, I'd be willing to gamble on him.
Is that right? You'd take Petrino because he can beat upper division teams?
Petrino, at Arkansas, easily a better program than ours and better recruiting:
-never beat Alabama
-lost to Florida both times they played
-lost to Croom. CROOM.
-split with UGA (Petrino beat UGA the same year Mullen beat them)
Now, admittedly, he split with LSU 2-2 and that is certainly nice. He also did a nice job against Carolina going 3-1, but they also play every year and are more familiar with them. And at some point you have to look at the ability to recruit to Arkansas and their donation/facility level and factor that in. I'm not sold that Petrino would take us to a BCS bowl.
Petrino, at Arkansas, easily a better program than ours and better recruiting:
-never beat Alabama
-lost to Florida both times they played
-lost to Croom. CROOM.
-split with UGA (Petrino beat UGA the same year Mullen beat them)
Now, admittedly, he split with LSU 2-2 and that is certainly nice. He also did a nice job against Carolina going 3-1, but they also play every year and are more familiar with them. And at some point you have to look at the ability to recruit to Arkansas and their donation/facility level and factor that in. I'm not sold that Petrino would take us to a BCS bowl.
I'm not convinced anybody could. Why should I be? What about our program makes you think we could get there? Don't have a lot of money. Don't have a huge in-state talent base to exploit. Don't have a ton of tradition to fall back on. What about Mississippi State football in 2013 makes you say that we're the right coaching hire from becoming a national power?
Everybody doesn't want Dan gone. I don't, at least not now. It may come to that in a few more years, but at the moment I'm moderately happy with him. He has a tough row to hoe in the west, and combined with the attractiveness of Starkville, it's really tough.
I guess "Hud" finally won last night, but the in part I watched it looked like each team had more turnovers than we've had all year. To me, looked more like high school football than college.
I guess "Hud" finally won last night, but the in part I watched it looked like each team had more turnovers than we've had all year. To me, looked more like high school football than college.
How do you know? Beamer was no Beamer during his first 20 or so years at Va Tech.
I ask this question with all due respect. The spirit of this post seems to be indicative of most of you guys who founded SPS and many of your minions` thinking these days. I.E. mediocrity is our only reasonable goal. What happened between the time when yall started this thing and now ? My impression was always that Gene didn`t approve of anyone getting out of line and demanding more than mediocrity and you guys said "17 that we know MSU can do better and we`re tired of being told to stay in line and act like good little sheep". Now, even though this board is a very open and free place to express opinions(within reason), you founders seem to be far less demanding of success in MSU athletics and far more accepting of the status quo. What the heck happened ?
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I'm not happy with mediocrity, but........
historically MSU has been at and mostly below mediocre in football. Agree or Disagree?
Rome or any good business isn't built in a day. Building something right takes times.
I dare you to name a better 4 year run in MSU Football history than the past 4 years. We have averaged 7 wins and 3 straight bowl games. None of which were terrible bowls. Music City isn't a top notch bowl, but it isn't the bottom of the barrel either.
I'll take averaging 7 wins for a little bit longer. We'll probably get 5 this year and possibly 6. Possibly. Next year has a high potential for 8 due to the schedule with a possibility of 9. We could win 6 or 7 though.
Let's say we win 5 this year and 8 next year. That's 6.67 wins per season on average. That would be 4 out of 6 years attending bowl games. That has never been done at MSU. EVER.
You don't go from Tulane to Alabama overnight. It takes time.
historically MSU has been at and mostly below mediocre in football. Agree or Disagree?
Rome or any good business isn't built in a day. Building something right takes times.
I dare you to name a better 4 year run in MSU Football history than the past 4 years. We have averaged 7 wins and 3 straight bowl games. None of which were terrible bowls. Music City isn't a top notch bowl, but it isn't the bottom of the barrel either.
I'll take averaging 7 wins for a little bit longer. We'll probably get 5 this year and possibly 6. Possibly. Next year has a high potential for 8 due to the schedule with a possibility of 9. We could win 6 or 7 though.
Let's say we win 5 this year and 8 next year. That's 6.67 wins per season on average. That would be 4 out of 6 years attending bowl games. That has never been done at MSU. EVER.
You don't go from Tulane to Alabama overnight. It takes time.
First, I don't consider myself an HD minion, but I'll reply anyway. I don't agree at all with your impression. I don't think mediocrity is the goal at all, but HD was being realistic in stating that being a national power or at this point even making a BCS bowl seems unattainable. Great to strive for, sure, but in reality what's the earliest point you see us ascending high enough in the SEC to be one of the top two teams? Not only would we have to improve dramatically, but that would have to coincide with Bama, LSU, Florida, SC and Georgia simultaneously sliding back to the pack while no one else stepped up. That's the point. There's a lot of room between "mediocrity" and "BCS" depending on how you define mediocrity (a personal definition that might vary fan to fan). Though last year was an 8-win team, it was mediocre. This team is going to have to fight like hell to get to six wins, and is mediocre. Many people were not satisfied last year with the effort, the type of losses we had, and yes, even some of the unimpressive wins. Most are not satisfied this year with the same things.
ETA: I forgot A&M.
ETA: I forgot A&M.