So . . . Your Opinion on the One & Done?

[Random UK Fan]

Now that Duke can’t be considered new to the OAD experiment any longer, what are your thoughts on it? One might assume you’d call it a success this season, but your and my team will be holding the same number of trophies this season.

I’m ambivilant about it after all these years tinkering with it. I think a nice ratio is 1 (2 at the most) complimenting a team of juniors/seniors.

 

[pisgah101]

Hate it with a passion

 

[jrtplaya]

It's great seeing those guys dawn a Duke uniform but I miss the attachment of my 3-4 year teams.

 

[SwatX1]

Now that Duke can’t be considered new to the OAD experiment any longer, what are your thoughts on it? One might assume you’d call it a success this season, but your and my team will be holding the same number of trophies this season.

I’m ambivilant about it after all these years tinkering with it. I think a nice ratio is 1 (2 at the most) complimenting a team of juniors/seniors.

I don’t like it, but I still want the best talent. I guess a combination is the best. Our team this year just needed someone who could shoot. It is still amazing to me that this team was so dominant without a single good shooter. Every 3 we put up, I expected to miss, and everyone put up against us, I expected to go in

 

[crazyduke3]

I love it. We are getting the best players. The trick is to also have some very strong leadership on and off the court to go with it (quinn cook).

Late march BBall is tough. But these kids help not hurt.

 

[Random UK Fan]

I look at the final 4 and I don’t think any of them have a freshman rotating in anything meaningful.

 

[tp394]

I really don’t mind taking in one or maybe two every year as long as you have a bunch of upper class men to go along with it. It’s pretty much has been proven that relying solely on freshman makes everything more difficult. I really do love seeing all these talented kids come in repping a duke jersey and doing well in the nba but at the same time i want duke to win. I think that’s more likely if we can just start developing our talent and stop relying on freshman.

 

[SwatX1]

I’ve always said that the two most important things in March is old players and good guard play

 

[dukiejay]

Does anyone actually like it?

Listen, it’s kind of the reality right now. Duke and UK have been victims of their (recruiting) success. I posted on this board from 2007-09 when we couldn’t land top targets and were getting trounced in NCAA Tournaments. Every Duke fan who bitches today about one-and-done’s were bitching then about not landing the elite guys. Don’t let one of them tell you different.

Bottom line....losing sucks. It doesn’t matter how it’s done.

 

[dukebluesTX]

Winning titles with OAD's is an anomaly. Rarely happens

 

[Random UK Fan]

I really don’t mind taking in one or maybe two every year as long as you have a bunch of upper class men to go along with it. It’s pretty much has been proven that relying solely on freshman makes everything more difficult. I really do love seeing all these talented kids come in repping a duke jersey and doing well in the nba but at the same time i want duke to win. I think that’s more likely if we can just start developing our talent and stop relying on freshman.

Yeah, I know there are some UK fans that have reached the point of being irritated that it appears the mindset isn’t “university first”. It seems that making the draft takes precedent over the school/fans. It’s frustrating at times.

 

[wcu1113]

IMO, experience beats talent in the tournament.

Hate the OAD rule with a burning passion. Coincidentally, my investment in CBB has dwindled with each passing year. It’s a new lineup every year.

 

[tp394]

I’ve always said that the two most important things in March is old players and good guard play

It makes me jealous watching players like Carsen Edwards and Cassius Winston seeing how many great years they’re getting out of them. I want that. I obviously love tre and i know there’s still a chance he stays but it makes me jealous. I think he could eventually be a player like that if he chooses to stay

 

[pisgah101]

Give me a group like 2010 any day. Let these kids grow together and get attached to em

 

[Random UK Fan]

my investment in CBB has dwindled with each passing year. It’s a new lineup every year.

Oh yeah . . . UK fans are a little further down this road than you guys right now on the investment aspect. Many of us now have a scar where there used to be pain in losing -at least there is for me. I’m able get over a loss in a single day now.

 

[dukiejay]

Give me a group like 2010 any day. Let these kids grow together and get attached to em

Well, duh. That’s perfect world scenario. But no one is going to ***** less the three years prior. It would still be the same or worse. I saw it.

 

[SwatX1]

Oh yeah . . . UK fans are a little further down this road than you guys right now on the investment aspect. Many of us now have a scar where there used to be pain in losing -at least there is for me. I’m able get over a loss in a single day now.

I can’t imagine a season worse than 2015 was for you....that’s not a jab. I would much rather lose the first weekend than lose the first game of the year in the final 4.......basketball can be so heartbreaking. Why do we allow a bunch of 18 year old kids rule our lives??!!!

 

[FearTheBeard_rivals208808]

I hated it when it started. HATED IT! After 2015, I opened up to it more but I don’t like how the teams have become all about the OAD talent. The two examples of NC OAD teams (2012 and 2015) still had a solid core of upperclassmen (Miller for KY, Cook for Duke). I’m good with getting an RJ or Zion, but I’d prefer the rest of the starting lineup be upperclassmen. The upperclassmen are the ones that pull a team out of a funk and make the right decisions at the end of the game.

What I really don’t like is how many players now think they’re OAD. Too many kids are leaving after a year when they shouldn’t, only to end up overseas or in the D League for their whole career.

I also don’t like the age limit the NBA has, but for political/philosophical reasons I won’t get into.

 

[pisgah101]

Well, duh. That’s perfect world scenario. But no one is going to ***** less the three years prior. It would still be the same or worse. I saw it.

The year before was good tho we just ran into a buzz saw and suffered from not playing Elliot more. And watching them develop was an absolute joy

 

[tp394]

I hated it when it started. HATED IT! After 2015, I opened up to it more but I don’t like how the teams have become all about the OAD talent. The two examples of NC OAD teams (2012 and 2015) still had a solid core of upperclassmen (Miller for KY, Cook for Duke). I’m good with getting an RJ or Zion, but I’d prefer the rest of the starting lineup be upperclassmen. The upperclassmen are the ones that pull a team out of a funk and make the right decisions at the end of the game.

What I really don’t like is how many players now think they’re OAD. Too many kids are leaving after a year when they shouldn’t, only to end up overseas or in the D League for their whole career.

I also don’t like the age limit the NBA has, but for political/philosophical reasons I won’t get into.

That is something that’s very true. Guys like frank Jackson, tyus, Gary Trent, possibly Tre and even justise i don’t think we’re recruited to be one and dones. They all had good freshman years but for a couple it really didn’t make sense for why they were leaving. Even a guy like Luke who was expected to be a four year player and he just goes off his second year and next thing you know you have to replace him. I think we’ve tried to get some multi year guys who were still really talented but they either worked their way into a draft pick or they thought they were good enough to go

 

[dukiejay]

The year before was good tho we just ran into a buzz saw and suffered from not playing Elliot more. And watching them develop was an absolute joy

Hindsight is always 20/20. No one, and I mean no one, saw 2010 coming down the pipeline. We had two scholarship guards on the roster before Andre came in early. Zoubek was at best, because of his injuries, a project. Both Plums were raw and inexperienced. Most predicted a second or third place finish in conference. It’s all roses now because you and I know how it played out.

 

[denverexpat]

OAD is AAU at college....however, if you add in experience either from the team or from a grad transfer then the recipe can win. Personally, I like to see good basketball fundamentals on both sides of the ball, teams that play with a purpose and desire and are organized.....our teams have talent but fundamentally are below average on defense..this used to be Duke's calling card.

 

[pisgah101]

Hindsight is always 20/20. No one, and I mean no one, saw 2010 coming down the pipeline. We had two scholarship guards on the roster before Andre came in early. Zoubek was at best, because of his injuries, a project. Both Plums were raw and inexperienced. Most predicted a second or third place finish in conference. It’s all roses now because you and I know how it played out.

I remember. But I’d take that team over every national champion since with the exception of AD’s Kentucky

 

[PixelDevil]

same as it's always been. Hate it.

 

[Random UK Fan]

I can’t imagine a season worse than 2015 was for you....that’s not a jab. I would much rather lose the first weekend than lose the first game of the year in the final 4.......basketball can be so heartbreaking. Why do we allow a bunch of 18 year old kids rule our lives??!!!

You might be able to imagine it more than you realize; we had such high expectations, and just KNEW it was our year, but, it wasn't to be. That was the game I decided I wasn't going to be overly-invested in the outcome anymore. I suspect your all's year was similar this year. I had hope for UK, but felt we had a ceiling. I felt it was Duke's to lose this year.

 

[shicashicu]

Now that Duke can’t be considered new to the OAD experiment any longer, what are your thoughts on it? One might assume you’d call it a success this season, but your and my team will be holding the same number of trophies this season.

I’m ambivilant about it after all these years tinkering with it. I think a nice ratio is 1 (2 at the most) complimenting a team of juniors/seniors.

 

[Mpm277]

What I really don’t like is how many players now think they’re OAD. Too many kids are leaving after a year when they shouldn’t, only to end up overseas or in the D League for their whole career.

This is a lot of it, imo. I look at past Duke and UK teams at juniors and seniors who were big for either team that simply just wouldn't have stayed in school today. Both teams had upperclassmen that wouldn't become upperclassmen today and both teams have had kids that should have become upperclassmen that didn't.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

‘10 is still my favorite year. Scheyer, Singler, Smith, Thomas, Zoubek leading us to a national championship as 5 upperclassmen. Sprinkled in with underclassmen talent too. 2015 was entertaining and great. This year was the same, minus the title. But even if we would have won it, I still would think the “glory days” are better.

When I watch Kyrie play in the NBA, I don’t think back to his Duke days... Of course all of the OADs are forever tied to both our schools, but it seems almost as if we just “rented” them rather than made them who they are. I’m sure you might find a similar kind of mindset with the name Anthony Davis.

The freshmen era has been a treat for Duke fans, UK too. But everything seemed better a decade ago.

 

[shicashicu]

It's the worst thing that ever could've happened to college bball and specifically Duke. It's an absolute nightmare...you cannot cram 4-5 years of experience into one season and win the Title.

 

[Random UK Fan]

I hated it when it started. HATED IT! After 2015, I opened up to it more but I don’t like how the teams have become all about the OAD talent. The two examples of NC OAD teams (2012 and 2015) still had a solid core of upperclassmen (Miller for KY, Cook for Duke). I’m good with getting an RJ or Zion, but I’d prefer the rest of the starting lineup be upperclassmen. The upperclassmen are the ones that pull a team out of a funk and make the right decisions at the end of the game.

What I really don’t like is how many players now think they’re OAD. Too many kids are leaving after a year when they shouldn’t, only to end up overseas or in the D League for their whole career.

I also don’t like the age limit the NBA has, but for political/philosophical reasons I won’t get into.

Nominated for a "Postie"

 

[SwatX1]

You might be able to imagine it more than you realize; we had such high expectations, and just KNEW it was our year, but, it wasn't to be. That was the game I decided I wasn't going to be overly-invested in the outcome anymore. I suspect your all's year was similar this year. I had hope for UK, but felt we had a ceiling. I felt it was Duke's to lose this year.

Yeah, but we already had some losses. Still sucks not to win it all, but man, for the first loss to be in the final 4? I couldn’t take it. But yeah, I thought it was our year

 

[Random UK Fan]

When I watch Kyrie play in the NBA, I don’t think back to his Duke days... Of course all of the OADs are forever tied to both our schools, but it seems almost as if we just “rented” them rather than made them who they are.

Absolutely. I feel the same with Wall, Cousins, Booker, Towns, etc. They'll always be 'Cats, but it sucks when you realize they've been with their pro team longer than at UK. You feel a bit used.

 

[BeerPoisoning]

Absolutely. I feel the same with Wall, Cousins, Booker, Towns, etc. They'll always be 'Cats, but it sucks when you realize they've been with their pro team longer than at UK. "Rented" is a good term.

After we beat Wisconsin in 2015, Bo Ryan (their coach) made a snide remark saying that they don’t participate in the rent-a-player program.

I typically refrain from that wording or a variation of it because that remark pissed me off. Anger aside, it’s the best terminology.

 

[Random UK Fan]

After we beat Wisconsin in 2015, Bo Ryan (their coach) made a snide remark saying that they don’t participate in the rent-a-player program.

I typically refrain from that wording or a variation of it because that remark pissed me off. Anger aside, it’s the best terminology.

You're right on. You feel like a gas station they're just stopping at to keep driving towards their dream. A single season likely does provide them with some memories, but once a few season's in the NBA, those memories probably dilute.

BTW, it's weird conversing here with you. I'm used to discussions on the Nat'l board with my other account.

 

[SwatX1]

After we beat Wisconsin in 2015, Bo Ryan (their coach) made a snide remark saying that they don’t participate in the rent-a-player program.

I typically refrain from that wording or a variation of it because that remark pissed me off. Anger aside, it’s the best terminology.

He also bitched about the refs and said it was a shame that game had to be played that way. Not a good look for a coach imo

 

[Ioliva]

Does anyone actually like it?

Heck yes. I love it. What I don’t love is everything funneled into the one and dones. It’s obvious that the rest of our team is like a punching bag for the talent to use to get better. Look at uk. Yes they lost, but they lost to a team that they beat twice already and didn’t have anywhere near our star power. But a lot of those uk guys... they can play. Can we say the same about our bench? Before the last few games, it looked like javin would never be anything.

There’s nothing wrong with one and dones, but you’ve got tinted glasses If you don’t think that non one and dones are seeing a trend of non development and not being appreciated for great contributions. Look at vrank and Jordan. Vrank contributed some solid minutes in the sweet sixteen. Was taken out quick and never played again.

Goldwire? Don’t get me started. I’ve already said it enough before today. Anyways my last point is look at our bench. Highly coveted recruits. Would any of them even be starting or playing, with their basketball skills right now, on other teams? I feel like they’d be buried on the bench with the skill they have now.

And when you get down to it... it’s coaching mismanagement

 

[BeerPoisoning]

You're right on. You feel like a gas station they're just stopping at to keep driving towards their dream. A single season likely does provide them with some memories, but once a few season's in the NBA, those memories probably dilute.

BTW, it's weird conversing here with you. I'm used to discussions on the Nat'l board with my other account.

That’s a spot on analogy.

Hahaha I hate UK but I’ll talk hoops with a fan of any team as long as they’re rational and level-headed.

 

[docinjax]

It's great seeing those guys dawn a Duke uniform but I miss the attachment of my 3-4 year teams.

This exactly. We've been watching it for 10 years and every year it takes me till Christmas to learn everyones name. I really miss guys staying 3 or 4 years. Just don't have the connection to the players in the OAD that you do with guys staying a few years

 

[SwatX1]

This exactly. We've been watching it for 10 years and every year it takes me till Christmas to learn everyones name. I really miss guys staying 3 or 4 years. Just don't have the connection to the players in the OAD that you do with guys staying a few years

Me either on the connection, but fir some reason, I felt it with this team

 

[Alaskan_Assassin_21]

A) Do I like it
B) Has it been successful


A) Overall, Yes I do. I remember the Paulus/McRoberts years but more importantly the sheer feeling of despair after JJ/Shelden fell short. Those were teams 3 or even 4 years in the making that fell way short.

To me the Kansas O.T lose last Tournament was gut wrenching. And yet in a matter of months not only had we rebounded but were even better.

Following the graduation of JJ/Shelden, it was a steady but grueling climb back
2007 - 1st Round lose
2008 - 2nd Round lose
2009 - Sweet 16 butt kicking by Nova

By the time 2010 rolled around, there were major questions about the programs condition. The last 3 seasons we have lost close hard fought games against strong opponents, which was not the case a decade ago.

B) Overall just 1 title and just 1 Final Four. The individual awards would be more meaningful if Coach K had more seasons on the horizon. Instead the Tatum, Bagley and Zions won't have long term effects on recruiting. They are milestones for the programs/Coach K's legacy.

In 2010, that grueling climb resulted in a very strong foundation of experienced players and we were rewarded with a phenomenal 2-Year run. But what if if Hayward's shot fell? How do we then judge in comparison.


The One & Done Era had some major highlights - 2015 Title, 2017 ACC Tournament run, individual greatness and 3 deep NCAAT runs. The only low light to me was Duval's attitude and Carter's mother. Overall this season concluded with a better taste in my mouth.