Some common sense: NCAA adopts New Portal Rules

18IsTheMan

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That is good to hear. Spring window was stupid.

I'd expect some legal challenges at some point.
 

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Jan 2-16.

Another sign that we dont even consider these guys to be real students anymore.

Good for the football though.
 
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Jan 2-16.

Another sign that we dont even consider these guys to be real students anymore.

Good for the football though.
Final playoff game is January 19th. A player on a playoff team could enter the portal during the playoff.
 

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Do you mean the Championship Game ? If so the NCAA does not mandate conferences to hold a CC game.
The Conference Championships need to go. These kids are playing 12 games, then the Conference Championship. If they lose and go to the College Football Playoff, they would have to play 4 more games if they play in the championship. That's 17 games. I know, wrong post for this.
 
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Jan 2-16.

Another sign that we dont even consider these guys to be real students anymore.

Good for the football though.
Any regular student can transfer anytime he or she wants too. Why shouldn't student-athletes be able to do the same?
 

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Any regular student can transfer anytime he or she wants too. Why shouldn't student-athletes be able to do the same?
January 16th would be after classes started at most colleges, January 12th at Carolina. How would any student transfer into a school after classes had started?
 
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Any regular student can transfer anytime he or she wants too. Why shouldn't student-athletes be able to do the same?
I posted some time ago but there was a comparison done between transfer rates of student athletes vs regular students. When players transfer, they are not transferring for academic reasons. They tend to end up in a situation where they transfer and have difficulty landing in an academic program that fits what they were in previously. Credits are lost because schools are often offering "boutique" classes that other universities won't recognize (though they offer their own). Often universities have to create a program/major to accommodate them. The general outcome is delayed academic progress and failure to graduate. Whereas for regular students, they are generally transferring BECAUSE they want to graduate and get on with life.

The system is such that players can be enticed to transfer for more money as @bayrooster correctly notes, even though it is almost never in their academic best interest. It makes sense that the grown ups would put some safeguards in place. There used to be a lot more safeguards and restrictions in place to do what they could to get players graduated, but a lot of that has been stripped away.

Theoretically should they be allowed to transfer as freely as other students? Probably. Though universities invest A LOT more in student athletes than they do regular students, so I think the schools deserve some protections as well. In practice, though, the restrictions are good to protect, to some degree, the student aspect of the student athlete.
 

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Any regular student can transfer anytime he or she wants too. Why shouldn't student-athletes be able to do the same?
Regular students generally transfer from a large university due to hardship, including a need to cut costs. "Student-athletes" are transferring to get a bigger paycheck.
Regular students are also required to be enrolled at a school before the start of a semester. So yes, they can do the same, but the student-athletes are not getting in before the semester starts at that point...
 

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I should have qualified that ... and meant to say at the end of any semester. I did it twice.

Im with you on that. And what i was going for with my comment.

If the portal was open over the Christmas break, you could pretend you were transferring between semesters, and still be a student.

But with this new window? The window isn't even open till a couple days before class starts. They'll be transferring while classes are starting. And some times up to two weeks in.

I honestly dont remember the rules, but can you transfer in to a class after missing the first two weeks?
 
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The Conference Championships need to go. These kids are playing 12 games, then the Conference Championship. If they lose and go to the College Football Playoff, they would have to play 4 more games if they play in the championship. That's 17 games. I know, wrong post for this.
Disagree. Math.

A decade ago if a kid stayed 4 years and played in every game - that's 4x12 (give or take) and that's 48 total games.

In todays environment, a school is lucky to keep a player 2 years before they bolt to the NFL. So, using your example of 17 games....and assuming back to back championship appearances that's 2x17 or 34 total games.

I realize not every kid is going pro however, and the coaches would have to do some "roster time management" sort of like they do in the NBA. Manage the kids playing time....and having said that, the new 105 player roster limit over the previous 85 limit would help that a good bit.
 

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Why shouldn’t athletes have different rules than the regular student body? They’re not the same.

They’re not saying they can’t transfer — they just have a specific time frame in which it must be done.
 
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Why shouldn’t athletes have different rules than the regular student body? They’re not the same.

They’re not saying they can’t transfer — they just have a specific time frame in which it must be done.
It's a key point.
 

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Why shouldn’t athletes have different rules than the regular student body? They’re not the same.

They’re not saying they can’t transfer — they just have a specific time frame in which it must be done.

Im coming at it from the angle that we've pretended for a while that these guys are, in fact, students first, then athletes.

Of course that is the naive, official line.

When we start setting up their transfers to be later than some colleges allow people to add classes, then Im saying we need to just publicly admit now that they aren't regular students, if students at all.

Let's just take the next step, call them employees and be done.
 

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The Conference Championships need to go. These kids are playing 12 games, then the Conference Championship. If they lose and go to the College Football Playoff, they would have to play 4 more games if they play in the championship. That's 17 games. I know, wrong post for this.
I would give up a regular season game to preserve a league championship game. In the SEC and B1G, those are major events that involve capstone achievements.
 

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January 16th would be after classes started at most colleges, January 12th at Carolina. How would any student transfer into a school after classes had started?
Watch the academic calendars change.
 

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I would give up a regular season game to preserve a league championship game. In the SEC and B1G, those are major events that involve capstone achievements.
There's no way the NCAA would give up 60? home games to preserve the league championship game. We know the top two teams in the SEC and B1G are in the CFP. But, it is how Clemson made it in last year.
 
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There's no way the NCAA would give up 60? home games to preserve the league championship game. We know the top two teams in the SEC and B1G are in the CFP. But, it is how Clemson made it in last year.
I was stating a personal preference to continue championship games. I don't know what the tradeoff would be, if any.
 
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I would give up a regular season game to preserve a league championship game. In the SEC and B1G, those are major events that involve capstone achievements.
They always have been major events and capstone achievements, but I'm not sure that can be said moving forward in a college football world where the playoffs are everything. Winning the Michigan/Ohio State game was always a big freaking deal for those programs, but last year proved that it's not as important as it once was.
 

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They always have been major events and capstone achievements, but I'm not sure that can be said moving forward in a college football world where the playoffs are everything. Winning the Michigan/Ohio State game was always a big freaking deal for those programs, but last year proved that it's not as important as it once was.
Winning the SEC or B1G will always be a big deal.
 

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Winning the SEC or B1G will always be a big deal.

If we eliminate the title game, would the regular season champ be as desirable? Or even decide able with all the teams not playing each other?
 

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If we eliminate the title game, would the regular season champ be as desirable? Or even decide able with all the teams not playing each other?
I think you have to play that one, using a point system to determine the two participants. People ain't gonna buy into a trophy won strictly by a tie-breaker.
 
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I think you have to play that one, using a point system to determine the two participants. People ain't gonna buy into a trophy won strictly by a tie-breaker.

I'm having flashbacks of soccer tourneys with goals scored vs goals against.
 
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I think you have to play that one, using a point system to determine the two participants. People ain't gonna buy into a trophy won strictly by a tie-breaker.
Until 1992, the SEC determined the champion by conference record and there were ties which resulted in "co-champion" status for teams if the two teams with equal records had not played each other during the season.

No one had much of a problem with it. The biggest argument was over who was going to the Sugar Bowl as the SEC champ.
 

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Until 1992, the SEC determined the champion by conference record and there were ties which resulted in "co-champion" status for teams if the two teams with equal records had not played each other during the season.

No one had much of a problem with it. The biggest argument was over who was going to the Sugar Bowl as the SEC champ.
That was then; this is now. Championship games are now ensconced. They make money, at least in the Big Two; people enjoy them; they have playoff implications.
 
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The Conference Championships need to go. These kids are playing 12 games, then the Conference Championship. If they lose and go to the College Football Playoff, they would have to play 4 more games if they play in the championship. That's 17 games. I know, wrong post for this.
Do FCS., D-II and D-III conferences hold football championship games or do they just go right into 24-32 team playoffs?
 
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Any regular student can transfer anytime he or she wants too. Why shouldn't student-athletes be able to do the same?
It sounds good in principle, but I imagine it depends on how the athletics aid scholarship contract is written.
 

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That was then; this is now. Championship games are now ensconced. They make money, at least in the Big Two; people enjoy them; they have playoff implications.
To be honest, since Carolina has only been to one SEC Championship, I would rather just watch the Army-Navy game on that day.
 

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Transfer and enroll in summer school?

I could see that, but then you've got guys transferring in January, and not in school for 4 or 5 months.

No real reason they couldn't. There used to be requirements for progress towards a degree per year, and that might affect that requirement. If it still exists.