Some news out of TCU today ...

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Looks as though wokeness will get another coach fired. Meanwhile, Juwan Howard has the team I like still wearing BLM patches on their uniforms, but that's okay apparently.
 

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Curious how this plays out, TCU basketball basically didn’t exist prior to Jamie Dixon, it isn’t going to be easy to replace him.
 

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How does a coach select one player to be racist against but not the other members of the team?

Eddie Lampkins mother also involved in this. So could be a I see $$$ signs type thing. Some guys just can't hit the transfer portal, they have to be nasty while they do it.
 

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How does a coach select one player to be racist against but not the other members of the team?

Eddie Lampkins mother also involved in this. So could be a I see $$$ signs type thing. Some guys just can't hit the transfer portal, they have to be nasty while they do it.

I would guess if he did anything, he made a questionable remark, as I doubt being systematically “racist” towards players would play well on the recruiting trail in a sport of mostly black athletes. Lampkin/his mother could also just be fools, blaming shortcomings on things that don’t exist rather than Lampkin just not being that good. We’ll see what else comes out.
 

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None of us know what is going on right to be calling out anyone on either side. For example, the coach for Texas Tech reading out the "slaves obey thy masters" scripture......WTF was he doing? May not have been "racist", but it was dumb as hell.
 

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Doesn't surprise me how Huggs has survived. He is tough but treats players properly in terms of how a coach has to treat people in today's society.
 
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Doesn't surprise me how Huggs has survived. He is tough but treats players properly in terms of how a coach has to treat people in today's society.

The point is that expecting discipline and strictly trying to achieve it will be labeled abuse even if it is fair, reasonable, and proper. Kids are just getting softer and softer reinforced by the fact that someone just saying the word "slave" triggers someone.
 

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There is no reason a basketball coach using the word "slave" or any other word or phrase that gets them in trouble in today's society. Take personal responsibility for actions of oneself; not just expecting responsibility of others that you may have an issue with because of certain factors.
 
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There is no reason a basketball coach using the word "slave" or any other word or phrase that gets them in trouble in today's society. Take personal responsibility for actions of oneself; not just expecting responsibility of others that you may have an issue with because of certain factors.

You just said the issue right there with "in trouble in today's society." The fact that just the word slave in a quote is triggering is a problem. The word slave is based upon the Slavic people who were white and enslaved by Danish/Norwegian dark age people. Slavery is not unique to black people in the United States, but society acts like it is. Slaves in biblical times were of multiple races and were most often enslaved by their own race. Just like lynching and being hung by a noose existed long before race based slavery in the United States, yet those are now inextricably associated with race in today's society. There is nothing racist or wrong with saying something like pay day lenders are trying to make people modern day financial slaves or saying that a group of people who act like vigilantes lynched a victim. The fact that uttering such a statement can cost you your livelihood is 100% wrong and a problem. It is also a symptom of a society where hard work and discipline are eschewed for victimhood status. So these two concepts are tied to one another. The use of the term slave regardless of context being worthy of destroying a career logically leads to fair and even handed discipline being labeled as victimizing
 
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None of us know what is going on right to be calling out anyone on either side. For example, the coach for Texas Tech reading out the "slaves obey thy masters" scripture......WTF was he doing? May not have been "racist", but it was dumb as hell.
he never used the word slave
 

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This should be interesting. Amazes me how Huggins has survived these past few years with how things are going.
I agree. I also noticed that Huggs hasn't been screaming at the players as much this season. I heard from someone fairly close to the program that the practices while still intense, have been toned down.
 

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I agree. I also noticed that Huggs hasn't been screaming at the players as much this season. I heard from someone fairly close to the program that the practices while still intense, have been toned down.
Huggins has never used racial slurs or attacked anyone's religion nor has he enforced his own beliefs of something onto others.
 

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You just said the issue right there with "in trouble in today's society." The fact that just the word slave in a quote is triggering is a problem. The word slave is based upon the Slavic people who were white and enslaved by Danish/Norwegian dark age people. Slavery is not unique to black people in the United States, but society acts like it is. Slaves in biblical times were of multiple races and were most often enslaved by their own race. Just like lynching and being hung by a noose existed long before race based slavery in the United States, yet those are now inextricably associated with race in today's society. There is nothing racist or wrong with saying something like pay day lenders are trying to make people modern day financial slaves or saying that a group of people who act like vigilantes lynched a victim. The fact that uttering such a statement can cost you your livelihood is 100% wrong and a problem. It is also a symptom of a society where hard work and discipline are eschewed for victimhood status. So these two concepts are tied to one another. The use of the term slave regardless of context being worthy of destroying a career logically leads to fair and even handed discipline being labeled as victimizing
Or not.

The word slave arrived in modern English from Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Late Middle High German sklave, from Medieval Latin sclāvus, from Late Latin Sclāvus, from Byzantine Greek Σκλάβος [Sklábos], Έσκλαβήνος[Ésklabḗnos].

According to the widespread view, which has been known since the 18th century, Byzantine Σκλάβινοι [Sklábinoi], Έσκλαβηνοί[Ésklabēnoí], borrowed from Slavic gen self-name *Slověninŭ turned into Σκλάβος, Έσκλαβήνος (Late Latin Sclāvus) in the meaning 'prisoner of war Slave', 'slave' in 8th/9th century, because they often became captured and enslaved. However this version has been disputed since the 19th century.

Alternative contemporary hypothesis states that Medieval Latin sclāvus via *scylāvus derives from Byzantine σκυλάω [skūláō, skyláō], σκυλεύω [skūleúō, skyleúō] - "to strip the enemy (killed in a battle)", "to make booty / extract spoils of war". This version is criticized as well.
 

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86% stated otherwise. Remember the vote you requested? Of course, you reneged on the wager, once you got your *** trounced by your fellow fans.
No one has any idea of what you are talking about...as usual....can't you just go away instead of making silly posts like this?

Do you remember when you came back from one of your retirements and your buddy queenie started a welcome back thread for you and NOBODY posted in it...LMAO....that should have clued you in that nobody wants you here.

Like go announce your fifth retirement from this message board....you are message board royalty right. LMAO....always funny.
 
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Or not.

The word slave arrived in modern English from Middle English sclave, from Old French esclave, from Late Middle High German sklave, from Medieval Latin sclāvus, from Late Latin Sclāvus, from Byzantine Greek Σκλάβος [Sklábos], Έσκλαβήνος[Ésklabḗnos].

According to the widespread view, which has been known since the 18th century, Byzantine Σκλάβινοι [Sklábinoi], Έσκλαβηνοί[Ésklabēnoí], borrowed from Slavic gen self-name *Slověninŭ turned into Σκλάβος, Έσκλαβήνος (Late Latin Sclāvus) in the meaning 'prisoner of war Slave', 'slave' in 8th/9th century, because they often became captured and enslaved. However this version has been disputed since the 19th century.

Alternative contemporary hypothesis states that Medieval Latin sclāvus via *scylāvus derives from Byzantine σκυλάω [skūláō, skyláō], σκυλεύω [skūleúō, skyleúō] - "to strip the enemy (killed in a battle)", "to make booty / extract spoils of war". This version is criticized as well.

Well the Oxford dictionary still holds it to be true and ensclave is most likely the word it is derived from given English is just a mash-up of germanic and middle French due to the Danish and Norman conquests. So, yes there may be multiple theories, but this one still holds more water than others. But even if it didn't, the point remains that the term slave is not a word that should be UNIQUELY offensive to black people in the US.
 

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Slavery is mentioned numerous times in the New Testament The word "servant" is sometimes substituted for the word "slave" in English translations of the Bible.

Ephesians 6:5-8

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5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
 

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It isn't up to the person speaking inappropriate terms and phrases depending on circumstances to determine what is offensive or inappropriate. Be smart and don't run your mouth when you are in a position of authority or supposed to be a leader using words. Simple.
 

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It isn't up to the person speaking inappropriate terms and phrases depending on circumstances to determine what is offensive or inappropriate. Be smart and don't run your mouth when you are in a position of authority or supposed to be a leader using words. Simple.
based on that we should have fired the last two US Presidents