Some of you hint our education failures are related to teacher's unions
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Yep...break up the teacher union....open up fewer qualifications, lower pay, less benefits, and education will flourish! Of course there will be less teachers, but who cares! They all suck anyways. Right ATL?
If you want to attack federal education programs, fine, there are lots of problems. But that's where DeVos is horrible. She doesn't know what actually happens in a class room, as shown in her hearing. She doesn't know IDEA from a Pell Grant. In fact she didn't know either even existed.You're right bamaEER. It's here:
Here's my problem. Trump said he favored returning the power of education BACK to the states. So why even appoint someone to the Dept of Education? Don't most conservatives think it's unconstitutional anyways?
First of all you don't know that, and it's bigoted to suggest it as a rule rather than something which occurs when morals are indeed absent. But all Black families are not without Fathers, and all are not immoral.
Still, whenever they (students) are exposed to environments that challenge them and don't make excuses for them, somehow they manage to learn and succeed. Just look at the success rates of inner city Parochial schools or Private charter schools in poor neighborhoods. Same kids, different results.
Only the Left commits them to the Hell holes that are inner city Public schools. If Religious groups, or Charter schools or Montessori schools, or even home school options are introduced as options to help these struggling Families that you want to instead blame and insist are hopeless...its the Left who stands in the way of providing them ANY of those viable options.
So tell me, if you're really that concerned about why these (Black kids) aren't learning, or if you're even serious about helping them, do you support educational choice options for them?
Your answer suggests who the true "racists" are...I find them to be on the Left who insist Black people can't exercise choice, can't learn (unless they're forced to remain in substandard Public schools) and all live just as you described with no morals or desires to improve their lives.
Check yourself and those who think like you to find out where the problem is.
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Sure just let the minions run rampant without anyone watching over them. It'll turn out great.
Why does she have to know all of the Government programs that aren't working in order to understand that most of them don't work?
You realize he is one of your know everything that's truly American and right conservatives, right?
I never trust Biff's opening volley on any subject because he'll change it anyway. But I can certainly envision the US Dept of Ed simply trying to steward federal programs, like IDEA, and backing off regulatory standards that states should have anyway.
You fail. It's stewardship and provides programs to help in classrooms across the country and many states can't function without these programs. Where we went wrong was thinking that the US Dept of Ed should be the brains behind everything.
I might add that whoever heads the Dept of Ed better understand the programs fostered by the US Dept of Ed. She knows bumpkis.
OK then so let's just e-x-p-a-n-d it right? More DOE programs, more funding, more of their expert "analysis' and prescriptions for why our schools are doing such a bang up job!
That's the solution! They sure have it already figured out for us don't they bamaEER?
You said I was a "know it all". So I'm asking you if you know something about me I don't know about myself? You said it, I'm asking for clarification.
Nobody said more programs. Current ones need to be updated or better funded, or in some cases abolished.
[QUOTE="bamaEER, post: 1426814, member: 106"]Where we went wrong was thinking that the US Dept of Ed should be the brains behind everything.[/QUOTE]
I'd suggest where we "went wrong" is thinking bureaucrats at the DOE even know anything about it. Yet we do put them in charge of everything don't we?
What's their track record?
I'd suggest where we "went wrong" is thinking bureaucrats at the DOE even know anything about it. Yet we do put them in charge of everything don't we?
What's their track record?
That was one of Trump's campaign statements, that he'd just get rid of the Department of Education. Of course, he says lots of things and then changes his mind and claims to have never said them ... but that was one of his statements. (I know he wasn't your guy, so I'm just responding to your post without directing it at you)
I'd suggest where we "went wrong" is thinking bureaucrats at the DOE even know anything about it. Yet we do put them in charge of everything don't we?
What's their track record?[/QUOTE]We've had good heads of Dept of Ed in the past. DeVos is simply what happens when a know-nothing-know-it-all picks someone for Dept of Ed.
We've had good heads of Dept of Ed in the past. DeVos is simply what happens when a know-nothing-know-it-all picks someone for Dept of Ed.[/QUOTE]
Tell me when you thought Public schools were performing at or beyond expectations, and who was in charge of DOE when that was happening?
Seems to me the same complaints/problems we're hearing about today was what they were carping about when Carter created DOE back in the late 70's. What difference has it made? Under who? Doing what?
Tell me when you thought Public schools were performing at or beyond expectations, and who was in charge of DOE when that was happening?
Seems to me the same complaints/problems we're hearing about today was what they were carping about when Carter created DOE back in the late 70's. What difference has it made? Under who? Doing what?
I'm not really happy with her selection either. Someone that is an evangelist for a different type of school isn't going to return things back to the states and dismantle what's in DC. Send back to the states what will work better at the states (like education), and spread this federal bureaucracies out on into the hinterland. If done right DC would be a shell of its former self.
I was referring to the right as "know everything truly American and right"....but as you see there are still racist bigots amongst your ranks
I was open minded, and then to me it seemed like all she really did was throw money around without any real experience with education. Definitely none with public education. It seems she got this nomination almost exclusively because of campaign contributions to Trump ... which I thought was precisely the kind of thing he was supposed to be getting rid of. Drain the swamp and all of that you know.
Then seeing bits and pieces of her hearing/interview with Congress and it really seems she is mostly clueless on some pretty basic ideas and organizations. You could probably remove "mostly" from that statement. When she couldn't answer a question about proficiency vs. growth, it seemed pretty obvious she doesn't know much at all.
Also, anyone that thinks that minorities can't fend for themselves and need government assistance is also a racist bigot.
Every time anyone on the left says something racist.....it's a left bashing fest, so I thought I'd point to an example from the right