Someone explain the foul call to me, I missed it.

[weblow]

Had my neighbor knock on the door. I heard that the ball was fielded and that he threw the runner out at first. Next thing I hear is that they hit a ball over Graveman in left field.

What the hell happened? Why was the ball called foul? Controversial or good call?

 

[weblow]

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[CadaverDawg]

and rolled out in front of the plate. Stark fielded and threw him out, but the ump called it a foul ball saying it hit off of the batter instead of just hitting the ground. Cohen obviously felt it was nt a foul ball, and Locke said on twitter that it did not hit the batter.

That's the way I understood it, but maybe someone can expand on this or correct me

 

[Duckmandawg]

and rolled out in front of the plate. Stark fielded and threw him out, but the ump called it a foul ball saying it hit off of the batter instead of just hitting the ground. Cohen obviously felt it was nt a foul ball, and Locke said on twitter that it did not hit the batter.

That's the way I understood it, but maybe someone can expand on this or correct me

this is correct. I have no idea if the right call was made or not, but my problem is the home plate umpire didn't make the call. He called it as a fair ball, but then called the field umps in who then said it hit the plate and it was called a foul. How does a guy 90 feet tell it hit the plate? Plus I don't think I've ever seen that call NOT made by the home plate umpire because he also goes off the sound of the ball hitting the plate. It obviously didn't sound like it hit the plate or he would have called foul. Just a tough way to lose.

 

[Eureka Dog]

a part (that's in foul territory)of the batter's body beforeproceeding intofair territory.

If a batted ball touches a part ofthe batter's bodywhile both are in fair territory, the batter is immediately out, just like any other base runner (within fair territory) would be called out if touched by a batted ball. (This is why base runners make sure to lead off from 3B in foul territory.)

 

[weblow]

hit in the batter's box which would make it a foul ball. Cohen says that it hit the plate. Who knows, I would love to see a replay of it but all I had was radio.

 

[patdog]

I have no idea if the right call was made or not, but there's nothing at all wrong with a field umpire making that call.

 

[Eureka Dog]

If you see it, then call it. Don't wait.
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[fieldcorporal]

if the base umps saw it they should have called it immediately. It is not outside their responsibilities, and is acceptable though not preferred, for them to call itifthe PU asks for help.That does, then, open up the question of why they didn't call it when they saw it. Doesn't make the call wrong, just makes them less than stellar umps.

The rest of the fair/foul discussion is simply wrong. I don't know what actually happened, only had radio, but here are the applicable parts of the rules (paraphrased):

1. The ball can come to rest in the batter's box and be either fair or foul. Part of the batter's box is in fair territory, part in foul (the "inside/fieldside corner of both boxes is fair. The rest is foul). The plate is in fair territory, and an untouched ball that comes to rest on the plate or in the fair part of the boxes is fair.
2.The ball hitting the plate has no effect on the ultimate ruling offair or foul.That is, a ball canhit the plate andultimately be either fair or foul. The plate is no different than the pitcher's rubber, that is, just part of fair territory.

If a batted ball hits the batter while the batter is in whole orin part still in the batter's box, the ball is foul. The ball is dead immediately. Nothing else can happen. If, asin this case, the ruling comes after the play is overwhen the PU asked for help, then everything that happened is undone and the batter continues with whatever the count is after the foul ball.

If thebatted ball hit the batter in the box, then the plate,then came to rest or was first touched by a fielder in fair territory, then it is foul. When it hit the batter in the box, itbecame foul, that bellwas rung and cannot be unrung. Doesn't matter what happened after that. Dead Ball, put everybody back, carry on from there.

If the batted ball hit the plate then bounced up and touched the batter while part of the batter is in the box, then it is foul. Same as above. Unless that batter was completely out of the box it is foul. And it doesn't matter if it hit the out-of-the-box part or thein-the-box-part. If ANY part is in the box, then foul, dead ball, everybody goes back.

Also, itis the position of the ball, not theposition of the fielder that determines fair/foul in those instanceswhen the fielder touchesthe ball.