Someone is going to meet their maker soon...

[dawgstudent]

or at least get 2 visits taken away.

NCAA - http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...cent-criticisms-of-enforcement-are-inaccurate

Without providing specific numbers Emmert said cases are being processed at a "higher-than-average" rate. Last week, NCAA enforcement director Jon Duncan told CBSSports.com his division is on track to bring more than 100 allegations against 20 schools.

 

[starkvegasdawg]

Old Hugh has those incisors doubling as a paper shredder as we speak.

 

[Xenomorph]

Two weeks! **

 

[maroonmania]

Old Hugh has those incisors doubling as a paper shredder as we speak.

NCAA won't be able to do anything to hurt an SEC program, Slive won't allow it. At most when a school gets carried away with things and other SEC schools complain Slive will send out a message to that school to pump the brakes a bit on the recruiting inducements and life goes on. Really the only SEC schools even getting wrist slaps these days are the stupid ones like us that turn themselves in and do the NCAA's work for them.

 

[SwampDawg]

My take on it is about the same. A top-ranked SEC team will get all the protection Slive can provide. Lower ranked SEC teams are sacrificial goats, to be slaughtered as necessary. I will say though, I don't think he is biased. If by some fluke we got on top he would provide us the same protection. That's his job as he sees it.

 

[maroonmania]

As far as the NCAA goes I do believe Slive does all he is able to do to protect the entire SEC. Keeping all SEC schools off probation was one of his primary goals when he took the job. I'll give him that much even though in a lot of other areas he definitely is looking primarily after the SEC power schools.

 

[jacksonreb]

what's the old saying...ncaa is so mad at bama they gave msu (insert ole miss, kentucky, vandy as desired) the death penalty. nothing has changed. bama gets caught paying a dlineman 200k and gets really nothing. if the ncaa thinks they have something on ole miss or msu, God help us. they WILL make an example.

 

[DerHntr]

what's the old saying...ncaa is so mad at bama they gave msu (insert ole miss, kentucky, vandy as desired) the death penalty. nothing has changed. bama gets caught paying a dlineman 200k and gets really nothing. if the ncaa thinks they have something on ole miss or msu, God help us. they WILL make an example.

Agreed. We have less funds and have to use them more strictly. It is definitely a disadvantage that we try to overcome. It's no surprise that a down year for Bama is 8 wins.

 

[Shamoan]

this is a prime example of an offshoot growing more powerful than the larger unit. its a pity that the sec can push around its governing power and make their own rules, but that is where we are now. the ncaa is taking their marching orders from the major conferences...it is utterly useless in accomplishing anything other than widening the gap between the haves and the have-nots. this is an upside down world in many regards and the schools that dont have large conference protection have targets on their back and are the ones ultimately punished for trying to keep up to the schools that are doing the exact same thing or worse, yet have conference protection. its a pretty twisted catch 22.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Lot of big talk from the NCAA, but they haven't done anything yet. They probably have that many cases on their desk regularly. I doubt it's abnormal. They just haven't been coming down on anyone.

If I'm in the Big 12 I'm watching over my shoulder. Bowlsby is the one who made the comment about it being a free for all on cheating right now. He's the one that called out the NCAA, and especially with them being one of the weaker major conferences, I'll bet Emmert chooses someone from that league to use for his example. I'm pulling for Stoops and OU, but more than likely it'll be someone like Kansas State.

 

[RebelBruiser]

As far as the NCAA goes I do believe Slive does all he is able to do to protect the entire SEC. Keeping all SEC schools off probation was one of his primary goals when he took the job. I'll give him that much even though in a lot of other areas he definitely is looking primarily after the SEC power schools.

I really think that when he got here, he felt he could accomplish that by cleaning up the cheating.

He quickly realized that was impossible, so he did the next best thing and turned his desk into a filter for all allegations, except his desk wasn't really a filter at all, more of just a wall to stop and kill all allegations before they saw the light of day.

MSU made a mistake in my opinion in going around Slive straight to the NCAA with the Cam Newton deal. The NCAA came down hard on Slive for having his filtering process in place, and they hit him where he cares most, in public perception. MSU did no favors for themselves in ticking off Slive.

As for your recent Redmond deal, part of that is on your compliance department. A big part is on your former assistant coach for not using the usual Memphis area channels you use for that type of business. However, I think some of it may have also been a result of Slive wanting to punish you for circumventing his process over the Cam Newton deal.

ETA: By the way, I think Slive's policy of filtering all allegations is probably the BEST thing he's done for the SEC. When we aren't tearing each other down, the entire strength of the league is that much better. I think his policy is one of the reasons why the SEC has made the move it has in football power.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I really think that when he got here, he felt he could accomplish that by cleaning up the cheating.

He quickly realized that was impossible, so he did the next best thing and turned his desk into a filter for all allegations, except his desk wasn't really a filter at all, more of just a wall to stop and kill all allegations before they saw the light of day.

MSU made a mistake in my opinion in going around Slive straight to the NCAA with the Cam Newton deal. The NCAA came down hard on Slive for having his filtering process in place, and they hit him where he cares most, in public perception. MSU did no favors for themselves in ticking off Slive.

As for your recent Redmond deal, part of that is on your compliance department. A big part is on your former assistant coach for not using the usual Memphis area channels you use for that type of business. However, I think some of it may have also been a result of Slive wanting to punish you for circumventing his process over the Cam Newton deal.

ETA: By the way, I think Slive's policy of filtering all allegations is probably the BEST thing he's done for the SEC. When we aren't tearing each other down, the entire strength of the league is that much better. I think his policy is one of the reasons why the SEC has made the move it has in football power.

I really don't understand where you get this. First of all, Stricklin said MSU did NOT contact the NCAA about the Cam Newton deal, and Slive said he doesn't know how the NCAA got involved. And anyway, at what point do you think the NCAA came down hard on Slive?

 

[Dawgzilla]

what's the old saying...ncaa is so mad at bama they gave msu (insert ole miss, kentucky, vandy as desired) the death penalty. nothing has changed. bama gets caught paying a dlineman 200k and gets really nothing. if the ncaa thinks they have something on ole miss or msu, God help us. they WILL make an example.

Bama got "really nothing" for the Albert Means deal???? They got 5 years of probation, a 2 year bowl ban (which meant no split of the SEC bowl money), and 21 scholarships over 3 years. The NCAA infractions letter said the only reason they didn't get the death penalty was because there was no hard evidence of the two most egregious offenses (Means plus the Kenny Smith deals). To top it all off, Coach Franchione looked at the infractions and R-U-N-N-O-F-T. But, yeah, I guess all of that is just a "wrist slap".

 

[22yardpunt]

Key word ... Allegations. They're serious now !!! How can they effectively process 100 allegations? All huffing and puffing

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Anybody in trouble, will be waiting for the new world!

The five super conferences have been shackled by the wills of the 350/400 schools or whatever it is.

The 5 are just simply saying...screw you, you play your game, under your rules, we will play ours.

All things ARE NOT EQUAL.... we want out $.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Bama got "really nothing" for the Albert Means deal???? They got 5 years of probation, a 2 year bowl ban (which meant no split of the SEC bowl money), and 21 scholarships over 3 years. The NCAA infractions letter said the only reason they didn't get the death penalty was because there was no hard evidence of the two most egregious offenses (Means plus the Kenny Smith deals). To top it all off, Coach Franchione looked at the infractions and R-U-N-N-O-F-T. But, yeah, I guess all of that is just a "wrist slap".

I think he was talking about how a couple of years ago an OL prospect from Alabama tweeted out something along the lines of "Yeah I took the money so what" after he had been drafted and signed and possibly even a year after he signed with his NFL team.

I haven't heard of anything that came of it to this point.

 

[jacksonreb]

I judge all penalties by ours.....

We lost HALF our shollies for two yrs. for giving and lineman $800 who didn't even sign with us. So yeah I call 7 a yr nothing much. If Bama can't make it with 18 5* a yr then screw um

Bama got "really nothing" for the Albert Means deal???? They got 5 years of probation, a 2 year bowl ban (which meant no split of the SEC bowl money), and 21 scholarships over 3 years. The NCAA infractions letter said the only reason they didn't get the death penalty was because there was no hard evidence of the two most egregious offenses (Means plus the Kenny Smith deals). To top it all off, Coach Franchione looked at the infractions and R-U-N-N-O-F-T. But, yeah, I guess all of that is just a "wrist slap".

 

[RebelBruiser]

I really don't understand where you get this. First of all, Stricklin said MSU did NOT contact the NCAA about the Cam Newton deal, and Slive said he doesn't know how the NCAA got involved. And anyway, at what point do you think the NCAA came down hard on Slive?

I don't know who went to the NCAA, but obviously someone did, and the MSU boosters were the ones providing statements about what happened.

The NCAA didn't formally come down on Slive, but they did make a statement and told him that he needed to stop his "filtering" process. They were not pleased about that, and they let the public know they weren't pleased about it.

It somewhat shattered the public image Slive was trying to make that the SEC was clean. Slive, if you follow him, is ALL about image and public perception. He probably wouldn't care if his wife was screwing around, as long as it wasn't public knowledge.

So, it may not have been MSU directly on the Newton deal, but I have to believe it was someone associated with MSU that did the reporting, and I doubt Slive took kindly to that.

 

[Dawgzilla]

I will grant you that someone associated with MSU may have gotten the NCAA involved, but it was not done through the Athletic Department. However, Pete Thamel and other mediots were already working on the story before the NCAA interviewed Bond and Bell, so I suspect the rumors of Newton's recruitment has spread far beyond the small group of MSU insiders, and somehow worked its way over to the NCAA.

I don't recall the NCAA making any public statement about Slive's reporting policy. The whole purpose of the policy was to help crack down on cheating, not to allow the SEC office to decide when to sweep things under the rug. There was a whole task force that came up with the policy, based in large part on Phil Fulmer deciding to be a secret witness against Alabama. It just makes more sense to have the coaches contact their own AD, have the AD contact the SEC Office, and let the SEC office contact the offending school to get the process started. Coaches had been complaining that any time they complained about something to the NCAA, nothing ever happened.

 

[Dawgzilla]

We lost HALF our shollies for two yrs. for giving and lineman $800 who didn't even sign with us. So yeah I call 7 a yr nothing much. If Bama can't make it with 18 5* a yr then screw um

Uhh....UMiss was found guilty of offering multiple recruits cash, cars, and plane tickets in exchange for signed LOIs, and the offers were allegedly made right there on campus during recruiting visits. And, of course, taking recruits to Memphis strip clubs and paying for their table dances. You can deny that any of that stuff happened, but that's what the infractions committee found UMiss guilty of, and what the punishment was based on. So don't say it was based on "giving a lineman $800". That was just the tip of the iceberg.