is the doom and gloom on here just typical Six Pack bitching, or is there some serious concern about the class? I know almost nothing about recruiting, but it seems like there isn't a whole lot of excitement.
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is the doom and gloom on here just typical Six Pack bitching, or is there some serious concern about the class? I know almost nothing about recruiting, but it seems like there isn't a whole lot of excitement.
our inability to close. We have lost everyone that was undecided in January that we have recruited for any signifcant time except for Muniz. That's cause for concern.
Still a decent class considering the circumstances took a hit with the loss of Neal (another Jan flub)---combine that loss with the Newton loss and there's more reason to be distraught.
Additonally, we are simply having a hard time finding bodies to fill the slots.
The class isn't devastating by any means, but there is plenty of cause for the concern some are voicing via hyperbole.
Still a decent class considering the circumstances took a hit with the loss of Neal (another Jan flub)---combine that loss with the Newton loss and there's more reason to be distraught.
Additonally, we are simply having a hard time finding bodies to fill the slots.
The class isn't devastating by any means, but there is plenty of cause for the concern some are voicing via hyperbole.
We started out very strong and have not closed well at all. Normally, the more heavily recruited players either commit very early in the process or very late. Its lookin as though we will not pick up any of those late commits. We will round out the class but instead of seeing 3-4 star guys with multiple bcs offers, its looking like 1-2 star guys that we pulled away from the d2 programs. I guess we'll see what kind of developing this staff can do. All in all we filled some needs but really nothing to get all excited about...
As far as ranking, it's not that great, but could be really good if we get a few more "surprises". If we pick up one or 2 more commits on the OL (Read D. Day and D. Robinson) I think this will be a good to great class. Most people here just like to ***** about something, but some of the deflections have been a little disappointing. Neal was one of 4 RB committed so I'm not as torn about his departure. I do think we fumbled on getting a QB, but such is the story for MSU. I do, however, believe Favre will play where most here think he will never see the field.
I think the class is a good class for what we need. I also think people were overhyping what Mullen would do this year based on the class that he was able to keep together last year. It all comes down to winning and showing you're able to compete on the next level.. and while we did show we can compete this past year, the W-L record didn't necessarily show it. There's absolutely nothing doom and gloom about this class, in my opinion. Thompson going elsewhere was a given because of our DE depth.. same with Rajion Neal. I don't blame kids for going some place where they have a shot at playing as a freshman or soph.. look at our last years class. Alot of them came in knowing they had a chance to play the very first game of the season.<div>
</div><div>just my three cents.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: i do have one concern.. why the hell did we have our BIG recruiting weekend the so early? i would think it would be more beneficial to leave the last impression on a kid before he makes a decision. </div>
</div><div>just my three cents.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: i do have one concern.. why the hell did we have our BIG recruiting weekend the so early? i would think it would be more beneficial to leave the last impression on a kid before he makes a decision. </div>
it has lacked the late big splash, like Newton or Brunetti or something. Last year Mullen closed with Heavens, Perkins (both Auburn commits) and Ricco Sanders. This year, lose Newton and now Neal and it seems blah. But if we close with Robinson, Lawson, and Day, our OL class looks pretty good, where it looked slim in November. I also thought we'd do better with a QB this year, as do many others.
But, if it closes with Robinson and Lawson, it's probably a top 35 class, which ain't great, but if you put it with all the guys we redshirted, there's absolutely no reason for doom and gloom.
ETA: I think a lot of people have forgotten about Carmon and Ballard, already there, who will both likely have an immediate impact.
But, if it closes with Robinson and Lawson, it's probably a top 35 class, which ain't great, but if you put it with all the guys we redshirted, there's absolutely no reason for doom and gloom.
ETA: I think a lot of people have forgotten about Carmon and Ballard, already there, who will both likely have an immediate impact.
We started with commitments from several really good players. As always there are several good players still up for grabs late and I think many assumed we would win most of those because of Mullen and because of the way we started the recruiting season. But is looks like we are loosing most of the good guys that are still undecided.
Overall, its a decent class.
In the grand scheme of things, we are going to have to actually win some games before we see a highly ranked recruiting class. Get us in a bowl game - next year - and you will see a tide of change in recruiting in this state. The fact is our class is comparable to Ole Miss's class says a lot for us considering we're in the midst of the worst W-L stretch of football in MSU history while the Rebels are having their best back-to-back football seasons in 40 years.
Overall, its a decent class.
In the grand scheme of things, we are going to have to actually win some games before we see a highly ranked recruiting class. Get us in a bowl game - next year - and you will see a tide of change in recruiting in this state. The fact is our class is comparable to Ole Miss's class says a lot for us considering we're in the midst of the worst W-L stretch of football in MSU history while the Rebels are having their best back-to-back football seasons in 40 years.
Seems like all the "big names" we targeted went elsewhere. That does concern me, although I understand that we have to crawl before we can walk before we can run, so to speak. Again, I don't know much about recruiting, but i assumed from reading this board that things were not as bad as they were being made out to be.
We had the big recruiting weekend to coincide with the basketball game, you don't want to do it this weekend b/c most of guys have taken visits and committed. The goal was to get some guys in the boat and then try keep them from going anywhere else.
That's my take anyway.
That's my take anyway.
This class will make us overall a faster team with guys like Carr, Lewis, and Hughes. We got good WR's in Johnson and Carr. I think Bohanna has the ability to be a fantastic LB, especially with Diaz as the LB coach along with being the DC, and if Harrison and Giles can qualify, they will be good too. Eulls is a good get, and probably will end up like Fletcher and move to DT. I think we close well with Robinson, which gives us Muniz, Clausell, and Robinson. Griffin may be the best pure RB in the state, and Ballard can come in and play big minutes for us. Love will be a good corner as well. I like DT as well. Carmon, Howie, and Virges isprett darn good.I think we didn't get the big fish we might have expected, but we are filling needs, getting faster, and have some underrated guys in this class.
1) I think Mullen got on most players too late. I base this on the fact that we didn't have very many early commitments. By the way, we do for 2011. When Orgeron came in and started blanket offering everybody under the sun, Croom was forced to adapt. Last year's class was ranked 19th in the nation. Croom did most of the leg work on that and Mullen did a great job of adding a few and then closing it out. But the core of the class - Russell, Conner, Cox, Boyd, were already committed and had been. I think Mullen was used to being able to wait around. He has learned that you can't do that at State. If you get someone to commit to you, even if it is in January of the previous year, that's better than not having them committed. You'll lose a few, but most of the time you keep them.
2) Mullen pissed off Ole Miss. In my opinion, a kid with no allegiances to a college when presented with the choice of going to Ole Miss or State, will choose one 50 percent of the time and the other 50 percent of the time, assuming all factors are equal. Pretending for a minute that illegal inducements don't exist or that a recruit can get the same at both places, State will get the next Carlos Thompson. But Mullen has bragged about getting the top players in MS and representing the State. He has started this *+*# business and he whipped their *** this year. They are pissed and if you follow it closely, they are pulling out all the stops to get MS guys now. They are still hard after Robert Johnson and Kaleb Eulls. It's better for us for them to talk about how LSU is their real rival. Nutt is taking full advantage of the "environment" in the SEC. See Noxubee county. They are re-emphasizing recruiting Mississippi. And even if we are offering these kids the same things that OM is offereing, they've got two cotton bowl trophies in their back pockets. That can't be understated.
3) Nutt is big with Hargrave and we're not. Mullen went up there too late and we offered the OM commit Hackney. Nutt has big time inroads there (which may be gone now with the coach leaving), but Mullen has never had to mess with kids like this. He is realizing he has to now. OM got Massie from there last year and Hackney this year. Two big time OL recruits.
I don't like losing Eatmon to South Florida, but we got on him late. We got on Humphrey late. We got on Brunetti after Newton turned us down.
2) Mullen pissed off Ole Miss. In my opinion, a kid with no allegiances to a college when presented with the choice of going to Ole Miss or State, will choose one 50 percent of the time and the other 50 percent of the time, assuming all factors are equal. Pretending for a minute that illegal inducements don't exist or that a recruit can get the same at both places, State will get the next Carlos Thompson. But Mullen has bragged about getting the top players in MS and representing the State. He has started this *+*# business and he whipped their *** this year. They are pissed and if you follow it closely, they are pulling out all the stops to get MS guys now. They are still hard after Robert Johnson and Kaleb Eulls. It's better for us for them to talk about how LSU is their real rival. Nutt is taking full advantage of the "environment" in the SEC. See Noxubee county. They are re-emphasizing recruiting Mississippi. And even if we are offering these kids the same things that OM is offereing, they've got two cotton bowl trophies in their back pockets. That can't be understated.
3) Nutt is big with Hargrave and we're not. Mullen went up there too late and we offered the OM commit Hackney. Nutt has big time inroads there (which may be gone now with the coach leaving), but Mullen has never had to mess with kids like this. He is realizing he has to now. OM got Massie from there last year and Hackney this year. Two big time OL recruits.
I don't like losing Eatmon to South Florida, but we got on him late. We got on Humphrey late. We got on Brunetti after Newton turned us down.
the reason so many people act like the sky is falling is that we didn't land some really big fish. but without Mullen - those guys would have laughed at an offer from State. like a few other people on here have said, we can't expect to have a top 25 recruiting class after winning only 9 games in the last 2 years - meanwhile !@%% has won 9 games in each of the last two years. Mullen is doing well in-state (though losing out on Thompson sucks) - and the out-of-state guys want to see a winning program.
i know this staff can coach UP talent - and we are definitely getting faster as a program. We won't be playing the toughest schedule in the nation next year - so i expect a bowl - and a top 25 recruiting class.
here's hoping the surprises BDJ is hinting at means signing Robinson and Sanders - that would close really strong for this year.
i know this staff can coach UP talent - and we are definitely getting faster as a program. We won't be playing the toughest schedule in the nation next year - so i expect a bowl - and a top 25 recruiting class.
here's hoping the surprises BDJ is hinting at means signing Robinson and Sanders - that would close really strong for this year.
the whole urban meyer estrogen laden soap opera had on the perception of mullen's commitment. Opponents smartly jumped on the mullen drama and beat the **** out of it. By the time it became obvious that mullen had no UF option to bolt for, the damage was done. Mullen didn't recover. The timing sucked.
at home that weekend. If you don't have it during the BB weekends you get NO fan interaction with the recruits. The only other choice would have been this weekend which is too late plus the weather would have been a mess as well. I think we had the only logical time we could have unless we just wanted to forgo having it during a BB weekend.
...but he wasn't listening while we were courting Newton. Point being, we gambled on Newton and lost. Had we put all of our eggs int he Brunetti basket, who knows? I don't think we made the wrong call on that, though. Newton is a big time player that we should've gotten.
As far as the early commits, that compares to 13 last year by that date. In addition, look at the early commits last year - Russell, Cox, Boyd, and Conner among them. And other schools made runs at them late, but we were able to hang on. The comparable this year is Eulls. Bama and OM came after him hard. That tells me that it is much better to get somebody committed early. If stuff is going to happen, it happens late.
As far as the early commits, that compares to 13 last year by that date. In addition, look at the early commits last year - Russell, Cox, Boyd, and Conner among them. And other schools made runs at them late, but we were able to hang on. The comparable this year is Eulls. Bama and OM came after him hard. That tells me that it is much better to get somebody committed early. If stuff is going to happen, it happens late.
for you folks thinking the schedule gets easier next year, don't bank on it. We will play the 2 teams that will probably be the toughest in the East (FL and GA) and we WON'T get to play Vandy. Our non-conference opponents will be easier but we will likely be an underdog at Houston. We should win 3 non-conference games at minimum next year and I think KY at home should be a game we win. So assuming we lose the tough SEC road games (AL, FL, LSU) then we have to win 2 games out of the home games with Aub, GA, Ark and the road games at Houston and OM to be bowl eligible. Out of that group OM is the only team that I expect to be worse next year, the other 4 are likely to be as good or better. Having FL and GA at the same time sucks. This would be a great time to have TN or SC instead of one of those but we don't.
are the very guys that we are not worried about. We are worried about the undecideds in Dec. and Jan....the guys that are really up for grabs...that's where we are not getting it done and why everyone is so worried.
the early committ just want to go to school at that school. You can't make someone committ early.
the early committ just want to go to school at that school. You can't make someone committ early.
we may get Lawson and Robinson according to Rosebowl.(Day is going on a visit to LaTech this weekend and looks like we won't offer him)My main concern has been on the lines and it appears that we may do quite well on both the O and D.
..if you can get Robinson. And Lawson won't hurt. 6'6" and 330 pounds. Very raw. But still, between Robinson and Muniz, you've got decent prospects at tackle. We will have signed 4 linemen: Lawson, Robinson, Muniz, and Causell. OL was our biggest need, and we would've addressed it in that scenario. Robinson is a key recruit.
when asked about his job at State, was pounced on, and the guys at BDJ think so too. That was a dumb *** thing to do. Even if Mullen thinks that, don't say it on national television, and if he didn't want to say anything that might make himself look bad later, then don't do the freakin interview in the first place because he knew he was going to be asked his interest in the Florida job. He had a chance to stomp his foot down and he didn't and it hurt recruiting in the end.
"The fact is our class is comparable to Ole Miss's class says a lot for us considering we're in the midst of the worst W-L stretch of football in MSU history while the Rebels are having their best back-to-back football seasons in 40 years."
The above statement at least makes me feel better about this class and the direction in which the football program appears to be headed. I have been waiting for 2-3 weeks to log on to sixpack and see where we have a big time recruit commit, and it has not happened which is why I have been a little disappointed. The bottom line is that we need to put together some W's and a bowl game and then we should see some better results in recruiting this time of year.
The above statement at least makes me feel better about this class and the direction in which the football program appears to be headed. I have been waiting for 2-3 weeks to log on to sixpack and see where we have a big time recruit commit, and it has not happened which is why I have been a little disappointed. The bottom line is that we need to put together some W's and a bowl game and then we should see some better results in recruiting this time of year.
didn't commit, and then the fact that we started off so well, but haven't gotten anyone lately I think has made people feel a little down about the class.
I think a lot of MSU fans are disappointed because we're headed in the right direction, we beat down Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl, and on top of that, we just hired a DC who most think is going to be very good.
The probem is, I think a lot of these MSU fans aren't thinking like HS football recruits. There are a lot of things that influence where these guys go to school. Stuff like how much they like a coach, where their friends are playing, the depth chart- some want to play right away and some are OK waiting around for their turn at an Alabama, a lot of personal preference type stuff.
Besides Newton, the biggest disappointment to me was Maudrecas Humphrey. Mainly because he's going to- Arkansas? Why? Brunetti has been committed to WV forever- can't really call that a shock. Neal was a little disappointing, but he is also going to be closer to his home and he seemed really concerned about our depth chart. He may feel that at UT, even though they have some good RB's, with a new staff, everyone may be on equal footing for playing time.
And is anyone really shocked that Thompson chose Ole Miss when they have a d-line coach who coached his brother or whatever he is and helped him get to the NFL?
If we can get Robinson, swing Lawson over to our side, and I think that there's a real good chance of that happening, I will be happy. If we pull off Vincent Sanders, I will be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not counting on that. I also really like the guy from Puckett- Christian Holmes. He looks like a really good player.
I think by this time next week, people will probably have a little more positive view of the class if things go as they are predicted.
I think a lot of MSU fans are disappointed because we're headed in the right direction, we beat down Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl, and on top of that, we just hired a DC who most think is going to be very good.
The probem is, I think a lot of these MSU fans aren't thinking like HS football recruits. There are a lot of things that influence where these guys go to school. Stuff like how much they like a coach, where their friends are playing, the depth chart- some want to play right away and some are OK waiting around for their turn at an Alabama, a lot of personal preference type stuff.
Besides Newton, the biggest disappointment to me was Maudrecas Humphrey. Mainly because he's going to- Arkansas? Why? Brunetti has been committed to WV forever- can't really call that a shock. Neal was a little disappointing, but he is also going to be closer to his home and he seemed really concerned about our depth chart. He may feel that at UT, even though they have some good RB's, with a new staff, everyone may be on equal footing for playing time.
And is anyone really shocked that Thompson chose Ole Miss when they have a d-line coach who coached his brother or whatever he is and helped him get to the NFL?
If we can get Robinson, swing Lawson over to our side, and I think that there's a real good chance of that happening, I will be happy. If we pull off Vincent Sanders, I will be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not counting on that. I also really like the guy from Puckett- Christian Holmes. He looks like a really good player.
I think by this time next week, people will probably have a little more positive view of the class if things go as they are predicted.