Sometimes I feel sorry for our basketball players......

[Goat Holder II]

For the record, I like Stans, and I think he deserves this year and next to turn this around. He recruited the guys for next year, they signed to play for Stans, and he should get a shot to make the tournament with them. But damn, it's almost like if you're a high school all american, come to MSU if you want to completely squander your talent and waste your career.

Even the biggest Stans lovers can't sit here and wonder how we let Ben Hansbrough leave.</p>

 

[Goat Holder II]

For the record, I like Stans, and I think he deserves this year and next to turn this around. He recruited the guys for next year, they signed to play for Stans, and he should get a shot to make the tournament with them. But damn, it's almost like if you're a high school all american, come to MSU if you want to completely squander your talent and waste your career.

Even the biggest Stans lovers can't sit here and wonder how we let Ben Hansbrough leave.</p>

 

[maroonmania]

I mean Stans signs his share of good prospects but as far as I know the only true All-American that's ever played for Stans before Sidney is Mario Austin. Someone is welcome to correct me if I'm wrong but its not like Rick is constantly getting 5 star players and ruining them.

 

[Goat Holder II]

but there's got to be a reason why we run off so many of our solid players. Nobody cared about Sharpe. But Delk and Hansbrough? Those were solid players I hated to lose.

 

[fishwater99]

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

 

[Goat Holder II]

nm

 

[DowntownDawg]

I think he deserves this year and next to turn this around. He
recruited the guys for next year, they signed to play for Stans, and he
should get a shot to make the tournament with them.

...by that definition the only time a coach should leave is when he retires or dies on the job.

He's had 13 years. Why does he need any more chances?

 

[Goat Holder II]

in this particular situation.

In 13 years, we've went to what, 7 NCAA tournaments? 4 NIT tournaments? (Not exact on those numbers). I mean, regardless of what some of you are smoking, we are Mississippi State. We aren't Kentucky. Our fans don't donate and wait on waiting lists for 2 years to get tickets to a sold out 25K seat arena. We also have 2 other sports that we want to be competitive in, so don't throw out a "Look at Butler, St. Mary's, etc. etc. etc". That's the only sport lots of those schools even try to compete in. Take a look at the rest of the SEC......we aren't some oddball.

Stansbury's got some issues to deal with but his resume and what he's accomplished at MSUhas earned him at least this year and next to deal with them at a minimum. Period. That's just the reality. I'm kinda curious as to when some of youoverweight suburban SUV driving arm chairquarterbacks decided that we had become North Carolina.

ETA: took out idiot, because OK i see how you could have thought that's what i meant.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...mathematically eliminated this year barring winning the SEC tournament, that will be 2 in 6. That is simply unacceptable. 2004 should have no bearing on what happens in 2011. That is ancient history.

This is why we fail at State. We think we owe these coaches all of these years to "turn things around." What happens is we are so happy and grateful for any success, we allow coaches that get us there too much leeway when they become complacent and fail to do their jobs. The result is that the programs that they built get torn down by the same men. Ron Polk, Jackie Sherrill, and Rick Stansbury are perfect examples of this. All took us to unprecedented heights. All were allowed to linger and destroy what they'd built. Because of this policy, we have to endure horrible rebuilding periods, and we've got one coming in basketball. There's simply no reason to put it off any longer. He's been here 13 years. Everyone of us here knows that he can't get this program on solid footing.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Scott Stricklin should say this when he addresses the media after he fires Stans.

 

[Coach34]

The Recruiter had a great run from 2001-2005- making 4 straight Tourneys. And he still underachieved at least twice in those 4 years. He had a really good group of athletes in those 4 years and wasted them for the most part. He has put nothing together before or since even comparable to those 4 years.

Barring a miracle run in the SEC Tourney to end this season, The Recruiter's other 9 years as head coach, he has made 2 NCAA Tourneys, and one of those was due to a miracle SEC Tourney run. When you look at his entire tenure, 2001-2005 was the exception, not the norm. He was almost fired back in 99 or 2000 because of a lack of respect by the players, and here we are again- same song and dance in 2011.

 

[Goat Holder II]

that with Sherrill, I'm betting alot of damage could have been avoided had he left after 2001 or 2002. We'd have still probably put a statue of him up had he not just completely quit in 2003.

With Polk, he quit himself. And that was after a losing season. And we all know he wasn't recruiting AT ALL. Stans still is.

Stans hasn't had anything near a losing season since 2005 and went 15-15. I mean, dude has been WINNING. Going to postseason tournaments. Let's let him have a losing season before we talk of firing.

But in the end, I can see yours' and the other naysayers' points. I just sit on the other side of the fence, for now.

 

[captaindawg]

Is the person that told you this the same one that told you that we paid Jarvis Varnado's tuition last year?

 

[TheStateUofMS]

You seriously give a 17 about the damn NIT? When we were going to the NCAAs regularly with Stans a few years I made fun of the NIT and talked about how much it would suck if that became the norm. That's ridiculous if you're satisfied with NIT berths. Well I am not, I want to get to NCAA tournys. There's no reason why we shouldn't expect to go to NCAAs every year being in this below average basketball conference. Coach is right, with the same scheduling, a good coach wouldn't lose to Rider, FAU, Hawaii, ect....much less lose to them by 20points a night. This is exactly like what happened to Sherrill. I don't wanna see it happen to basketball. The most logical thing to do right now is get rid of him.

 

[Goat Holder II]

Put yourself in Stricklin's shoes. Also the AD at Maryland's shoes. Is it really the right thing to do? I thought Byrne was a man for standing up to Polk, and for the record I still think Cohen is the man for the job. But what if he isn't?

There's a flip side to all this. Not nearly the slam dunk some of you make it seem.</p>

 

[Goat Holder II]

nm</p>

 

[Goat Holder II]

Get a load of this gem:

and one of those was due to a miracle SEC Tourney run

Ha. Stansbury burns for underachieving and also for overachieving.

Coach, don't bother replying anymore. You're done, and I refuse to engage you in your idiotic basketball bait ramblings.

 

[Coach34]

Is the person that told you this the same one that told you that we paid Jarvis Varnado's tuition last year?

I've been asked not to discuss this publicly- feel free to pm me.

And The Recruiter's Strength coach told me this 10 years ago

 

[Goat Holder II]

[No message]

 

[captaindawg]

nm

 

[moorebully22]

Did we not consider ourselves a basketball school during the latter years of Sherill and the years of Croom? Mullen has brought us to where we believe we should be in only 2 years. Stansburried has buried the basketball program much like Jackie did to the football program. Stansburried has had plenty of upper echelon players to do something with. However, the only somethings he did was coach them down or run them off. Players have no respect for him or the program it seems. And, I am not only speaking about this year. After 13 years we should be a consistent program and an automatic entry into The Dance. However, what we have become consistent in is having to win the SEC Tournament or at least make the finals to then only HOPE to get to The Dance. This. Is. Unacceptable.<div>And finally, one of the biggest coaching issues I have with Stansburied is that he seems to have no care in the world for consistent free throw shooting. We missed 10 last night, 10!Oh, and, Benock was 3-3 from deep last night, 4-4 from the field total. He took 4 shots? C'mon man. His first reaction is to pass when he has the ball. That is a classic example of coaching down. He should be a Rex Chapman superstar shooter. Stansburied is pathetic and should be fired. I am looking at maybe 3 SEC wins this year.</div>

 

[Coach34]

he did it standing to the left of the home basket before a game. I know him from my time at State, then add in my former boss was a GA under him. We had a quite a conversation about our basketball program.

 

[8dog]

that takes delight in exposing his own team's potential violations.

Please stop.

 

[tenureplan]

But I'm sure there is a rule violation buried in there somewhere. Just can't put my finger on it.</p>

 

[Coach34]

for talking to the S&C coach, who was your former teacher and boss before a basketball game

 

[8dog]

you have posted on here before about violations and have insinuated it at other times.

I don't care who you talked to to get your information.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I have a buddy who is 110% completely in the know with the Jarvis situation and it was 110% completely legit. You are just flat out wrong on this.

 

[Coach34]

to not discuss this- I'll ask you to do the same

 

[moorebully22]

Didn't Jarvis get a student loan for his tuition? A loan...don't start paying until you are out of school? It was highly publicized.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...NIT is failure. It's a 5-7 season. It's acceptable if you have a young team that battles and gets better throughout the year, not if you have a veteran team that is picked to win the division.

Going to the NCAA tournament and getting bounced in the first weekend is like a minor bowl game. Making it to the round of 16 is like a NYD bowl. The Elite 8 is BCS, etc.

And it's hard for the mind to grasp what the SEC is in basketball now. We are 18th out of 31 conferences in RPI at the moment. It's like Conference USA in football. Winning the thing gets you the Liberty Bowl. It hasn't always been like that. Winning the league in 2004 got us a 2 seed. Getting to the NIT in this league in its current state is failure. Period.

And the sickening thing about it is that had we made the dance last year, then we'd be in a totally different position. 3 of 5/6 is a different story. And the reason we didn't? Because we lost to Rider, WKU, and Stansbury doesn't have enough control in his program to make sure that his leading scorer is available for the biggest game of the year.

 

[KurtRambis4]

even bring it up. It's false. You keep suggesting that something improper happened when, in fact, it did not.

 

[Coach34]

.

 

[KurtRambis4]

originally, you brought it up in that thread a week or so ago. Someone mentioned something about Sidney being a POS and felt sorry for Jarvis giving up his scholly for him. You stated that they were an idiot for thinking Jarvis paid his own way (and insinuated that a booster paid it). That is not the case, though. Jarvis paid his own way. I know this for a fact. There were no know NCAA violations committed. Why you thinkthat there were, I have no idea. You are wrong. So please, as you stated, leave it at that.

 

[Coach34]

I wont be talking about this publically...have a good day

 

[KurtRambis4]

so full of ****. There is nothing to talk about. That's my point. Yet you keep throwing out incorrect allegations. I know from the highest authority possiblethat it is wrong. Despite what your "trainer buddy" or whoever told you, he is wrong. End of story. For you to continue to think otherwise shows your gullibility. So please, next time you accuse of of cheating, get your facts straight. Also, don't believe every "gas station coffee break" you hear.