Sonny Dykes seems to be the leader for the UK job...

DAWG61

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he has done a good job at LTech. Gotta suck to be a LTech fan and lose your coach every 4 years.
 

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He's got history there.....

and he'll probably succeed to the tune of 6/7/8 wins a year up there. Like MSU, he may never get enough talent across the board to make a serious run in the SEC. Probably even tougher to recruit depth at UK than at MSU, honestly, due to our proximity to so much talent. He'll probably head out to Texas though whenever the Texas Tech or Texas jobs come open, if they want him. Yes, good coach though.

Good thing about him is not that he's just a spread guy ie in a box, but the fact that he's an execution guy much like Mike Leach.
 

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****, we better go ahead and find a D-coordinator that can defend the spread. That would make aTm, Ole Miss, and UK, with spread offenses (the kind we have trouble defending), and all of them are on our permanent schedule. By the way, 2 of those 3 are typically wins, and could turn in to losses quickly with the addition of Freezus and Dykes. Just sayin. Not worried yet, but I hope Dan pays attention to that ****.
 

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What about Kentucky and Ole Miss makes you think 'typical wins'?

Our fans have a short memory. The Dan Mullen Era alone is not enough to claim them both as sure wins. Jackie could only beat them about half the time, same with Croom. We are 44-58-6 against Ole Miss all-time, 11-9 in the past 20 years, 5-5 in the last 10 years. We are 18-21 against Kentucky all-time, 12-8 in the past 20 years, 5-5 in the past 10 years.

I only bring this up to make the point that our fans get unrealistic way too fast. And also shows why we shouldn't be playing Oklahoma State next year.

As far as defending the spread and getting a new DC, maybe. It may be players or it may be coaching. I think our DL gets much better over the next 2 years, personally.
 

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I think most of us believe the last 3 Sherrill years and the Croom years were more of an abberation and the norm for MSU is the first 10 Sherrill years and the Mullen years. And in those years, we're 9-4 against Mississippi and 12-2 against Kentucky. I tend to agree with this. We should be able to beat Kentucky most years and Mississippi more often than not.
 

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Our fans have a short memory. The Dan Mullen Era alone is not enough to claim them both as sure wins. Jackie could only beat them about half the time, same with Croom. We are 44-58-6 against Ole Miss all-time, 11-9 in the past 20 years, 5-5 in the last 10 years. We are 18-21 against Kentucky all-time, 12-8 in the past 20 years, 5-5 in the past 10 years.

I only bring this up to make the point that our fans get unrealistic way too fast. And also shows why we shouldn't be playing Oklahoma State next year.

As far as defending the spread and getting a new DC, maybe. It may be players or it may be coaching. I think our DL gets much better over the next 2 years, personally.

Not unrealistic, actually the opposite. Since Mullen has been here, Kentucky and Ole Miss have been damn near guaranteed wins, right? Well, we still have 17ing Dan Mullen and we already beat UK this year, but Ole Miss doesn't seem to be a sure thing all of the sudden....why? Hugh Freeze's offense. Right? So my point is very valid. If we were playing with a team and coaches from the last 20 years, maybe I would have referenced the last 20 years, but we are playing with our current players and coaches, and until Freeze arrived UK and OM have been damn near guaranteed wins under Mullen.
As a matter of fact, let's look back at Predictions since Mullen's first year and see how many predicted a loss to UK or OM. You have to be somewhat objective every now and then when reading posts, and not so quick to try and prove every post on the board wrong.
 

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I think most of us believe the last 3 Sherrill years and the Croom years were more of an abberation and the norm for MSU is the first 10 Sherrill years and the Mullen years. And in those years, we're 9-4 against Mississippi and 12-2 against Kentucky. I tend to agree with this. We should be able to beat Kentucky most years and Mississippi more often than not.

Thanks pat. This is exactly what I'm talking about
 

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Problem is nobody knows how to stop these offenses very well. See the lack of defense in the Pac12 and Big12 for examples. Only way I can see these offenses consistently being stopped is to condition your team to not substitute during a drive and for the defense to be able to quickly call the play themselves without any use of the sideline. It has to become a new style of defense that I haven't seen anyone doing yet.
 

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I never siad they don't count. I said most of us believe they were an abberation. There's a huge difference. Of course they still count in the historical record. But if they are an abberation, they don't mean a damn thing for predicting future performance.
 

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Nobody said they didn't count. Are you on a mission to be argumentative? Nobody's saying that historically they are a win. I am saying as of the Mullen era, these teams have been as close to a guaranteed win as you can get. And I'm right. Sorry I didn't break out the 17ing history books to prove a point about our 2012-2013 football teams.
 

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It's just like anything else

I remember when the spread option became popular and a lot of people thought that it was an offense that couldn't be stopped- but now it has become so common that defensive coordinators have adjusted and they have slowed it down. Now the thing to do is run this hurry up offense- and as time goes on, defensive coordinators will figure out ways to slow it down as well. I think it's going to come down to DC's having to change how the substitute players in and how they do things. At least that's what I think is going to happen.

You're going to have to have three DE's, three DT's (or two NT's if you run a 3-4), three OLB's, two-three MLB's, three safeties, and three CB's that can all play. And I think teams are going to have to come up with systems where they substitute those players in. The tough thing for the coaches and players is they are going to have to know when to come in and come out so that you don't end up with 15 guys out there or 8 guys out there.

So, to me, the question is how do you substitute those players in? Do you do it after every play? After a series? What's the most effective way to do that?

I also think you are going to see more hybrid safety/OLB types. I almost want to say someone like Matt Wells, but maybe even bigger. I'm thinking like Richie Brown's size type players. To me, that's about the only way you can hope to cover those slot WR's, defend the run, and defend the option. I'm not sure that it's feasible to have guys on defense play 97 snaps.

The other thing that is going to have to change is how DC's make their play calls. I think that might be part of our problem with these offenses. It seems like we automatically default to some type of zone coverage or we're calling the same play because we're getting the same look a lot of times from the offense formation wise. The calls have to come in more quickly. One advantage the defenses may have later on is that since the offense's play calls have to be somewhat limited since they are trying to run everything so fast, and I would think that a lot of times these offenses could start to become somewhat predictable based on down and distance and the coach, and a good DC should pick up on those tendancies through film study.
 

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No subs during the drive and no calls from the side. Train your defense to go 15 plays in a row. Sub the 2nd team on the 2nd drive. Train your captain on defense to call the play without a huddle and without help from the sideline. That's what I'd do.
 

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Since rumors are encouraged.....rumor in R-Kansas is Nutt really wants the job. I have no idea if UK is even considering Nutt but rumor is he wants the job.